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You should read Luke 4:24-27; God sends prophets to people who except them. They tried to kill Jesus for saying it.
Luke 4:24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country, 25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land; 26 But unto none of them was Elijah sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow. 27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Because prophets are not accepted in their own country God sent Elijah and Elisha to foriegn people. That is proof that God sends prophets to people who recieve them and not those who reject them.
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your proof is not even close to proving what you want it to say.
but if you want to lie to yourself about it that is your choice.
Where in the text do you read that Sarepta was expecting Elijah?
She was expecting to DIE.
here I'll give you the scriptures.
1 King 17
8 Then the word of the LORD came to him, saying, 9 “Arise, go to Zarephath, which belongs to Sidon, and dwell there. See, I have commanded a widow there to provide for you.” 10 So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, indeed a widow was there gathering sticks. And he called to her and said, “Please bring me a little water in a cup, that I may drink.” 11 And as she was going to get it, he called to her and said, “Please bring me a morsel of bread in your hand.”
12 So she said, “As the LORD your God lives, I do not have bread, only a handful of flour in a bin, and a little oil in a jar; and see, I am gathering a couple of sticks that I may go in and prepare it for myself and my son, that we may eat it, and die.”
there is no "Hi Elijah, God told me to expect you"
there are more examples but your heart is too stony and harden by pride to hear them.
but if you want to lie to yourself about it that is your choice.
Where in the text do you read that Sarepta was expecting Elijah?
She was expecting to DIE.
here I'll give you the scriptures.
1 King 17
8 Then the word of the LORD came to him, saying, 9 “Arise, go to Zarephath, which belongs to Sidon, and dwell there. See, I have commanded a widow there to provide for you.” 10 So he arose and went to Zarephath. And when he came to the gate of the city, indeed a widow was there gathering sticks. And he called to her and said, “Please bring me a little water in a cup, that I may drink.” 11 And as she was going to get it, he called to her and said, “Please bring me a morsel of bread in your hand.”
12 So she said, “As the LORD your God lives, I do not have bread, only a handful of flour in a bin, and a little oil in a jar; and see, I am gathering a couple of sticks that I may go in and prepare it for myself and my son, that we may eat it, and die.”
there is no "Hi Elijah, God told me to expect you"
there are more examples but your heart is too stony and harden by pride to hear them.
You did not prove anything. Why do you feel the need to call people liers because you do not understand the Scripture? Here is my point.
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
It does not say that God gave them to everyone. It says "some". God gives these people to people who except them. A prophet could still prophesy to anyone but he is given to those who recieve him, not those who do not believe in prophets.
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
It does not say that God gave them to everyone. It says "some". God gives these people to people who except them. A prophet could still prophesy to anyone but he is given to those who recieve him, not those who do not believe in prophets.
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Jeremiah 7
1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2 “Stand in the gate of the LORD’s house, and proclaim there this word, and say, ‘Hear the word of the LORD, all you of Judah who enter in at these gates to worship the LORD!’” 3 Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 4 Do not trust in these lying words, saying, ‘The temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD are these.’
5 “For if you thoroughly amend your ways and your doings, if you thoroughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbor, 6 if you do not oppress the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, or walk after other gods to your hurt, 7 then I will cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers forever and ever.
8 “Behold, you trust in lying words that cannot profit. 9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, 10 and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, ‘We are delivered to do all these abominations’? 11 Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it,” says the LORD.
27 “Therefore you shall speak all these words to them, but they will not obey you. You shall also call to them, but they will not answer you.
so who was Jeremiah sent to? were they expecting him? were they foreign? did they accept him? did they obey?
You trust in lying words that cannot profit.
Will you repent and seek God and His wisdom or will you continue to dance in your own sparks?
1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, 2 “Stand in the gate of the LORD’s house, and proclaim there this word, and say, ‘Hear the word of the LORD, all you of Judah who enter in at these gates to worship the LORD!’” 3 Thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: “Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 4 Do not trust in these lying words, saying, ‘The temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD are these.’
5 “For if you thoroughly amend your ways and your doings, if you thoroughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbor, 6 if you do not oppress the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, or walk after other gods to your hurt, 7 then I will cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers forever and ever.
8 “Behold, you trust in lying words that cannot profit. 9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know, 10 and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, ‘We are delivered to do all these abominations’? 11 Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it,” says the LORD.
27 “Therefore you shall speak all these words to them, but they will not obey you. You shall also call to them, but they will not answer you.
so who was Jeremiah sent to? were they expecting him? were they foreign? did they accept him? did they obey?
You trust in lying words that cannot profit.
Will you repent and seek God and His wisdom or will you continue to dance in your own sparks?
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no your point is you want to deceive yourself and proclaim yourself a prophet.
which is fine you can be a prophet but you speak lies.
I do not call people liars because I do not understand Scripture but because that is what they are doing: lying.
I believe in prophets and I believe in two different types: True and False.
1 Kings 22:21-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The LORD said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the LORD said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you.”
which is fine you can be a prophet but you speak lies.
I do not call people liars because I do not understand Scripture but because that is what they are doing: lying.
I believe in prophets and I believe in two different types: True and False.
1 Kings 22:21-23
New King James Version (NKJV)
21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The LORD said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the LORD said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the LORD has declared disaster against you.”
Jeremiah is the name of a book in the Bible. Jeremiah the prophet was recieved by someone or his book would not be in the Bible. Everyone did not except him, but obviously someone did. God knows what He is doing. Even if it takes a long time for a prophet to be excepted, God sends prophets to the place of most importance and exceptance, not to unfruitfull works. Even Jesus would not do miracles where they had unbelief.
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Jeremiah's prophecies are in the Bible because they came true.
Of course God knows what He is doing. He knew what He was doing when He sent the lying spirit to speak through the mouths of those false prophets to.
Miracles did not create Faith or cause repentance that is why Jesus condemned those cities He did His greatest miracles in.
Matthew 11:20-22
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent: 21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.
Jesus did the miracles despite the unbelief as a witness against those cities.
Of course God knows what He is doing. He knew what He was doing when He sent the lying spirit to speak through the mouths of those false prophets to.
Miracles did not create Faith or cause repentance that is why Jesus condemned those cities He did His greatest miracles in.
Matthew 11:20-22
New King James Version (NKJV)
20 Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent: 21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. 22 But I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you.
Jesus did the miracles despite the unbelief as a witness against those cities.
I have a quesiton:
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jer 1:6 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
Jer 1:7 But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
Jer 1:8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
If you saw Jeremiah at the year before God spoke to him, how would you recognise him as a prophet?
For it is written he then was already ordained to be a prophet.
How would you know a prophet when you see one...
If you had a child, who was ordained with the gift of a prophet. How would you know he/she was a prophet so you can aid them in becoming that what they were meant to be?
And how would you aid them? What would you tell them to watch out for?
What would you tell them is part of their gift and therefore they should be considerate if other people couldn't do it?
What would you do if they suddenly become engulfed in sadness for no aparent reason?
What would you do if they start to get dreams of the future?
How would you explain it to them if they ask you why they can sense the supernatural around them and no one else can?
What would you give them as an instruction on how to develop their gift so that they are better at it?
Will you also consider that when they love to light candles in their room that it has purpose and that it is done for a reason, or will you think that they are a part of some occult practice for lighting candles in their room?
Will you also laugh at them, when they watch a movie with evil in it that they run away and that they spend the night in their little beds battling those demons?
Would you explain to them why it is that everyone is always coming to them to ask for aid or councelling?
Will you be there for them, if the people mock them and redicule them only to find out later they were right when the warning becomes true?
Tell me, for this is my biggest question?
How can people claim that a prophet is true or false if they don't even know how to recognise a prophet?
First recognise the prophet... then see if he/she is from God or not. Then you will be able to help him/her if he/she is not from God, and heed him/her if he/she is from God.
Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Jer 1:6 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.
Jer 1:7 But the LORD said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak.
Jer 1:8 Be not afraid of their faces: for I am with thee to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
If you saw Jeremiah at the year before God spoke to him, how would you recognise him as a prophet?
For it is written he then was already ordained to be a prophet.
How would you know a prophet when you see one...
If you had a child, who was ordained with the gift of a prophet. How would you know he/she was a prophet so you can aid them in becoming that what they were meant to be?
And how would you aid them? What would you tell them to watch out for?
What would you tell them is part of their gift and therefore they should be considerate if other people couldn't do it?
What would you do if they suddenly become engulfed in sadness for no aparent reason?
What would you do if they start to get dreams of the future?
How would you explain it to them if they ask you why they can sense the supernatural around them and no one else can?
What would you give them as an instruction on how to develop their gift so that they are better at it?
Will you also consider that when they love to light candles in their room that it has purpose and that it is done for a reason, or will you think that they are a part of some occult practice for lighting candles in their room?
Will you also laugh at them, when they watch a movie with evil in it that they run away and that they spend the night in their little beds battling those demons?
Would you explain to them why it is that everyone is always coming to them to ask for aid or councelling?
Will you be there for them, if the people mock them and redicule them only to find out later they were right when the warning becomes true?
Tell me, for this is my biggest question?
How can people claim that a prophet is true or false if they don't even know how to recognise a prophet?
First recognise the prophet... then see if he/she is from God or not. Then you will be able to help him/her if he/she is not from God, and heed him/her if he/she is from God.
Most prophets are not prophets when they are children. Indeed Jeremiah is a different case. God can give the gift of prophecy to who He wants to give it to. Remember that God is the Father of every Christian, young or old. They need the Bible. That is the answer. All Christians young or old need the Bible. They need the comfort of the Holy Spirit. They need the doctrines of the Bible. We should teach or children the Bible and teach them about the Holy Spirit.
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Another test is that a prophet will have dreams and visions.
Numbers 12:6
(6) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
While in vision they do not breathe
Daniel 10:17
(17) For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
They also receive supernatural strength
Daniel 10:18
(18) Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
Numbers 12:6
(6) And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
While in vision they do not breathe
Daniel 10:17
(17) For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me.
They also receive supernatural strength
Daniel 10:18
(18) Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
That's the key verse in all of the passages you quoted. Water baptism has no ability to save us, and even if it did most people who are being baptized these days would not be saved because they are not performing the ritual correctly. You don't get baptized by being sprinkled with water or by being dunked in a tank of stagnant water. What do you think baptism came from? It came from the Jewish ritual enacted by God called a "mikvah" which was a full-body immersion in "living water" - so called because it was aerated and could support life. This kind of baptism had to take place in a river or other similar body of water. Christ said that he was this water of life (i.e. this "living water").
At any rate, being saved obviously isn't about baptism since Abraham is saved. I could even give you a passage in the NT that shows people being saved and accepted by God before they were baptized. So 1 Peter 3:21 does a good job of explaining what role baptism plays in one's salvation. You can be baptized to strengthen your faith or even to show your faith. Those who were saved before they were baptized in the NT became baptized to express their faith. But baptism, itself, is not the deciding factor in one's salvation. And those who say that it is have drowned themselves spiritually in the same way those Jews who said circumcision was necessary to be saved had cut themselves off from (i.e. circumcised themselves from) Christ instead of circumcising themselves from the world.
So it can help to save by strengthening your faith, but it's not the deciding factor; the Gospel is. Baptism is just an important act.
At any rate, being saved obviously isn't about baptism since Abraham is saved. I could even give you a passage in the NT that shows people being saved and accepted by God before they were baptized. So 1 Peter 3:21 does a good job of explaining what role baptism plays in one's salvation. You can be baptized to strengthen your faith or even to show your faith. Those who were saved before they were baptized in the NT became baptized to express their faith. But baptism, itself, is not the deciding factor in one's salvation. And those who say that it is have drowned themselves spiritually in the same way those Jews who said circumcision was necessary to be saved had cut themselves off from (i.e. circumcised themselves from) Christ instead of circumcising themselves from the world.
So it can help to save by strengthening your faith, but it's not the deciding factor; the Gospel is. Baptism is just an important act.
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Which Scripture is that?
Also, as to whether you believe baptism saves or not, it doe snto matter.
The fact remains that Baptism is taight in the NT and those who gladly revieved the word Acts 2:41.
Jeus commanded it Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-16.
If Christ commanded it then it is neccessary otherwsie show me a command that is nto necessary.
So in other words just as others on here you hold that baptism is important but not neccessary.
Thus, it is an obedient act but one does not have to. So in essence you are saying that obedince is not neccessry to be saved.
Even Christ was baptized as an example to fullfill all righteousness.
The key verse as you point out, if you would read the context it majke is clear.
Just as in the day of Noah 8 souls were saved by WATER. - 1 Peter 3:20
There is an antitype (like figure) that now saves us baptism - 1 Peter 3:21
What is an antitype?
Also, as to whether you believe baptism saves or not, it doe snto matter.
The fact remains that Baptism is taight in the NT and those who gladly revieved the word Acts 2:41.
Jeus commanded it Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:15-16.
If Christ commanded it then it is neccessary otherwsie show me a command that is nto necessary.
So in other words just as others on here you hold that baptism is important but not neccessary.
Thus, it is an obedient act but one does not have to. So in essence you are saying that obedince is not neccessry to be saved.
Even Christ was baptized as an example to fullfill all righteousness.
The key verse as you point out, if you would read the context it majke is clear.
Just as in the day of Noah 8 souls were saved by WATER. - 1 Peter 3:20
There is an antitype (like figure) that now saves us baptism - 1 Peter 3:21
What is an antitype?