The Ten Commandments have been replaced by the law of Christ

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I think the best way to look at this is to recognized that what Christ says in Luke 10 is basically a re-statement of the 10 commandments.

How do you love God? By placing God above all other gods, by honoring the Sabbath, by keeping no idols, by not taking His name in vain. And how do you love others as yourself? By not stealing, lying, killing, etc.

So they are really one in the same.
Nowhere is it said to honor the sabbath. That is man's invention. Man has turned the sabbath into an idol.
 
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Disclaimer: This is not attempt to place anyone under law.


Let's go to Luke 10:25-26


25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27 He answered, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "


Over the years I've had Christians tell me that "the law of Christ" is "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" This, they tell me, replaced the law of Ten Commandments that were given specifically to the Jews. So "the new law" commands us to love God and love our neighbors.

Does this sound accurate?
Nobody has ever told me the 10 commandments were replaced by anything. And I live in SoCal where there's a different
Church for every type of weird belief you can think of.

We're supposed to obey the ten commandments even though we aren't saved by obedience.

This sounds like one of those issues that would way too easy to rationalize/overthink. Obey the ten commandments to the utmost best of your ability. This is what God wants you to do.
 

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Nobody has ever told me the 10 commandments were replaced by anything. And I live in SoCal where there's a different
Church for every type of weird belief you can think of.

We're supposed to obey the ten commandments even though we aren't saved by obedience.

This sounds like one of those issues that would way too easy to rationalize/overthink. Obey the ten commandments to the utmost best of your ability. This is what God wants you to do.
what God wants you to do is believe in the One he has sent. John 6- 29
 
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Nobody has ever told me the 10 commandments were replaced by anything. And I live in SoCal where there's a different
Church for every type of weird belief you can think of.

We're supposed to obey the ten commandments even though we aren't saved by obedience.

This sounds like one of those issues that would way too easy to rationalize/overthink. Obey the ten commandments to the utmost best of your ability. This is what God wants you to do.
God wants you to follow after the Holy Spirit. What happens when you do?

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, [SUP]23 [/SUP]gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law Gal5:22&23
 
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Nobody has ever told me the 10 commandments were replaced by anything. And I live in SoCal where there's a different
Church for every type of weird belief you can think of.

We're supposed to obey the ten commandments even though we aren't saved by obedience.

This sounds like one of those issues that would way too easy to rationalize/overthink. Obey the ten commandments to the utmost best of your ability. This is what God wants you to do.
This is what my god wants me to do. There. I fixed it for you.
 

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Nowhere is it said to honor the sabbath. That is man's invention. Man has turned the sabbath into an idol.
Actually, that is God's invention. He wrote the forth commandment on a stone tablet with His finger. Remember to keep holy the Sabbath. Where in the bible is it written that God now says to disregard what was written previously?
 
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Okay, I have some stating that the Ten Commandments and the law of Christ are one and the same.

Then I have some who are saying the Spirit will guide, but these recognize no specific law.

Then some say "yes", the law of Christ is love others as Christ loved us.

Well, okay, now let's go back to my original post:

Luke 10:25-27

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26 "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27 He answered, " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' "
I left out a very important verse on purpose. That's verse 28. Let's read it:

28 And he said unto him, "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live ."

What was the question?

"What must I do to inherit eternal life?"

Christ asked him (the expert in the law) "what is written in the law?"

At this point it doesn't matter what law, be it the law of Christ or the Ten Commandments. Why? Because in order to inherit eternal life "the expert in the law" had to love God and his neighbor as himself. That's what Christ meant by "this do (i.e., love God & your neighbor)" and you will get eternal life in return.

Doesn't this (i.e., "this do, and thou shalt live") sound Old Covenant?




 
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Doesn't this (i.e., "this do, and thou shalt live") sound Old Covenant?
Once again it doesn't matter what law Christ had in mind. The command is "this do, and you shall live". Failure "to do" leads to eternal damnation.

So it doesn't matter how you label "the law", failure to "love God and your neighbor as yourself" lead to death, i.e., no heaven for you.


 
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Luke 10:28 And he said unto him, "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live ."
Let's go to Romans 10:5

5 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall by them live."

Here Paul is writing either about "the law of Moses" and/or "the Ten Commandments". Notice the same principle is applied: You get life by obedience.

Again, sounds Old Covenant.

Why is Christ giving OC commands?
 
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Okay, I have some stating that the Ten Commandments and the law of Christ are one and the same.

Then I have some who are saying the Spirit will guide, but these recognize no specific law.

Then some say "yes", the law of Christ is love others as Christ loved us.

Well, okay, now let's go back to my original post:

Luke 10:25-27



I left out a very important verse on purpose. That's verse 28. Let's read it:

28 And he said unto him, "Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live ."

What was the question?

"What must I do to inherit eternal life?"

Christ asked him (the expert in the law) "what is written in the law?"

At this point it doesn't matter what law, be it the law of Christ or the Ten Commandments. Why? Because in order to inherit eternal life "the expert in the law" had to love God and his neighbor as himself. That's what Christ meant by "this do (i.e., love God & your neighbor)" and you will get eternal life in return.

Doesn't this (i.e., "this do, and thou shalt live") sound Old Covenant?




A person can't love God and his neighbor unless he has been converted. So yes it sounds both Old and New Covenant because both say the same thing... love God and your neighbor.
 
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Here's another one:

Gal 3:12 the law is not of faith, but "the man who does them shall by them live."

The law doesn't involve faith. You can believe in the law all you desire, but the law doesn't care. The law demands obedience. The law doesn't care if you believe in it. The law says, "this do and you will live", but to the disobedient it says, "cursed is everyone" who fails to obey.

So again, it doesn't matter what law you have in mind, if you fail you die.

 
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A person can't love God and his neighbor unless he has been converted. So yes it sounds both Old and New Covenant because both say the same thing... love God and your neighbor.
Are you loving your neighbor AS you love yourself?

Let's keep something in mind: There's only one command, not two.

The law doesn't say,

1] Love your neighbor

and

2] love yourself.

The law demands that you love your neighbor in the same way you naturally, by birth, love yourself. It demands that you redirect your self-love towards your neighbor. Self-love bent-out-from-self towards others is agape. Agape, bent-back-to-self is self-love.

If I loved my neighbor, as I loved myself, my neighbor would really have all I have obtained through my love of self.
:confused:

Now, are you sure you are keeping the commandment, "you shall love your neighbor as yourself"?
 
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Once again it doesn't matter what law Christ had in mind. The command is "this do, and you shall live". Failure "to do" leads to eternal damnation.

So it doesn't matter how you label "the law", failure to "love God and your neighbor as yourself" leads to death, i.e., no heaven for you.
More evidence?

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

Note the question: This rich man is addressing Christ, not as the Son of God, but a "good teacher". What is Christ's response?

“Why do you call Me good?"

Is Christ, good? Yes! But again the rich man wasn't addressing Christ as God, he was addressing Christ as a mere man, but a "good man."

Now notice what Christ says:

"No one is good but One, that is, God."

Here Christ is trying to correct this rich man's theology. "No one is good", i.e., no man is good, only God is good.

Paul states the same: "There is none righteous, no, not even one." Romans 3:10

So Christ answered his question, "what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?" with "no one is good." If you aren't good/righteous then you can't do good to get eternal life.

But, to answer the man's question (what good thing shall I do to get eternal life), Christ says:

"But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

In other words if you want eternal life by doing good things, keep the commandments.
 
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"But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

In other words if you want eternal life by doing good things, keep the commandments.

That's the same thing Christ said to the "expert in the law": "This do, and thou shalt live".

Why? Why did Christ give Old Covenant demands to people trying to earn heaven?

Because the measuring stick of righteousness is the law and it you come to Christ, in all your pompous self-righteousness, Christ will give you the law in order to break you of your confidence in your performance. Hence the law is instrumental is placing the glory of men in the dust.

Once men's pride is broken and he sees himself a sinner before the law, then he is prepared to be clothed with the righteousness of Christ through faith.
 
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Because the measuring stick of righteousness is the law ...
What law? What's the context of Matthew chapter 19?

Christ to the rich man: "But, if you want to enter life (through doing good), obey the commandments."

"Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.' "

That's the last 6 commandments from the Ten Commandments!

Notice the rich man's self-righteous reply:

"All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"

In other words "I'm a good man; I've been keeping these commandments since Sunday School. Where am I lacking?"
 

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More evidence?

Now behold, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?”

Note the question: This rich man is addressing Christ, not as the Son of God, but a "good teacher". What is Christ's response?

“Why do you call Me good?"

Is Christ, good? Yes! But again the rich man wasn't addressing Christ as God, he was addressing Christ as a mere man, but a "good man."

Now notice what Christ says:

"No one is good but One, that is, God."

Here Christ is trying to correct this rich man's theology. "No one is good", i.e., no man is good, only God is good.

Paul states the same: "There is none righteous, no, not even one." Romans 3:10

So Christ answered his question, "what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?" with "no one is good." If you aren't good/righteous then you can't do good to get eternal life.

But, to answer the man's question (what good thing shall I do to get eternal life), Christ says:

"But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

In other words if you want eternal life by doing good things, keep the commandments.

"Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
 
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"Which ones?" the man inquired.

Jesus replied, " 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.' "
Take notice that Christ substituted the 10th commandment, "you shall not covet", with "love your neighbor as yourself".

Why? Because not loving your neighbor as yourself is coveting. Coveting is not an act, but a motive based on your love of self. The law of God requires only agape love, not self-love. Hence the law of God is based on agape, a love that is not self-seeking. See 1 Cor 13:5 Self-love is condemned.

It was the 10th commandment that was instrumental in changing Saul, the proud Pharisee, to the Apostle Paul the champion of justification by faith. Paul says, "I
would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

Again coveting is based on self-love. It is based on self-seeking and self-interests. God's law requires you to deny your love of self and instead live for the good of those around you. Hence agape has no love of self in it. One ounce of self-love makes you a sinner!!!!




 
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Again coveting is based on self-love. It is based on self-seeking and self-interests.

God's law requires that you deny your love of self and instead live for the good of those around you.
1 Cor 10:24 "Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth."

Self-seeking is based on coveting, i.e., the love of self. Agape denies self and lives for another's wealth.

Agape love is demand by God's law.

Self-love is condemned.

Anyone feeling righteous?

If so, the law has not done it's job.
 
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