The Ten Commandments-Were they nailed to the Cross?

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If the ten commandments are nailed to the cross why not make idol , steal etc
Ungodly people do those things. Godly people don't because they have an internal law that tells them not to, i.e., the holy spirit.
 
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I'm thinkin' it does not bode well that you do not answer my question.
hmmm how interesting because my answer could be very different to your

and i never put myself in a position that i cannot be corrected no matter what people may think
 
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timberdoodle

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Ungodly people do those things. Godly people don't because they have an internal law that tells them not to, i.e., the holy spirit.

Very well said.

Blessings in our God and Savior Jesus Christ

Timber
 

john832

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Ungodly people do those things. Godly people don't because they have an internal law that tells them not to, i.e., the holy spirit.
But Paul says the opposite...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Apparently Paul thought he needed the Law...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 

john832

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hmmm how interesting because my answer could be very different to your

and i never put myself in a position that i cannot be corrected no matter what people may think
A very wise pastor once instructed me years ago...

Never make the mistake, and it is a mistake, of confusing the instrument of correction with the author.
 
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Thanks.


Almost. . .

"You are not your own; you were bought at a great price." (1Co 6:20-21)

But free grace does not create debtors.

Rather, we are owned because we were bought.
Being bought at a price is very similar to the binding arrangement of a Dowry being paid to the Father for a man's bride...yes?
As his bride are we not expected to do something in return?
Not necessarily pay back the price paid for us, but more so obedience and submission out of loving cooperation to our master.
To also lay down our life and share in Christs sufferings as a servant.
Hence the reason we are co-heirs with Christ to the kingdom, As a wife is an heir to the kingdom with her husband.

Would it be correct to say we have not been freed to go our own way as if we are our own master.
The grace we have been given is that we now serve a loving master, and have been freed from the bondage of being a slave to sin.
 
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Ungodly people do those things. Godly people don't because they have an internal law that tells them not to, i.e., the holy spirit.
ungodly people do not keep law but only vain grace

[h=3]Psalm 1 [/h]King James Version (KJV)


1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


 
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But Paul says the opposite...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Apparently Paul thought he needed the Law...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
The law is out tutor. It teaches us that we are sinners. Are you a sinner or do you keep the WHOLE law of God?

Blessings

Timber
 
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timberdoodle

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ungodly people do not keep law but only vain grace

Psalm 1

King James Version (KJV)


1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

[SUP]2[/SUP]But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.


Do you keep the whole law of God?
 
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Being bought at a price is very similar to the binding arrangement of a Dowry being paid to the Father for a man's bride...yes?
As his bride are we not expected to do something in return?
Not necessarily pay back the price paid for us, but more so obedience and submission out of loving cooperation to our master.
To also lay down our life and share in Christs sufferings as a servant.
Hence the reason we are co-heirs with Christ to the kingdom, As a wife is an heir to the kingdom with her husband.

Would it be correct to say we have not been freed to go our own way as if we are our own master.
The grace we have been given is that we now serve a loving master, and have been freed from the bondage of being a slave to sin.

  • 1 Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

  • 1 Corinthians 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
 

john832

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The law is out tutor. It teaches us that we are sinners. Are you a sinner or do you keep the WHOLE law of God?

Blessings

Timber
Well, do you? Or do you break the Law without remorse? No one keeps it perfectly, but we are to strive to...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
 
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MidniteWelder

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no you have grace inside not law ok
Psalm 37:
30The mouths of the righteous utter wisdom,and their tongues speak what is just.
31The law of their God is in their hearts;their feet do not slip.

Just something to make note of ;)
 
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timberdoodle

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Being bought at a price is very similar to the binding arrangement of a Dowry being paid to the Father for a man's bride...yes?
As his bride are we not expected to do something in return?
Not necessarily pay back the price paid for us, but more so obedience and submission out of loving cooperation to our master.
To also lay down our life and share in Christs sufferings as a servant.
Hence the reason we are co-heirs with Christ to the kingdom, As a wife is an heir to the kingdom with her husband.

Would it be correct to say we have not been freed to go our own way as if we are our own master.
The grace we have been given is that we now serve a loving master, and have been freed from the bondage of being a slave to sin.
Excellent question.

What happened to Isaiah in Isaiah 6 when he came into the presence of God? He naturally sought to please God. The true Christian maintains that they have God dwelling inside of them. They by their new nature feel guilty when they sin. They repent when the Lord shows them what they are doing is sinful. we, as Cheristians seek to do what is right unless we are in a back slidden state.

I will follow the leading of the Holy Spirit over following the Law. Normally the two work together but not always. Jesus worked on the Old Testament Sabbath Day.

Timberdoodle
 
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Well, do you? Or do you break the Law without remorse? No one keeps it perfectly, but we are to strive to...

1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Yes, I am a sinner. I am a weak man who still lives in the flesh but Jesus is my Parakletos as you have quoted.
 
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Psalm 37:
30The mouths of the righteous utter wisdom,and their tongues speak what is just.
31The law of their God is in their hearts;their feet do not slip.

Just something to make note of ;)
you see that in the bible the law is in there heart hmmm i wonder what law is that hmmm it looks like grace not law
 
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timberdoodle

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Do you know what is the law of God ?

Do you keep the whole of God grace ?
here we go again. You refuse to asnwer my question. Instead you present a diversion tactic.

Face it, you are a sinner. If you say that you are not you are calling God a liar.

HMMMMMMM!

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Hope this helps

Timberdoodle