The time of Jacobs trouble
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Personally I think the open minded person without an axe to grind would relate the cessation of sacrifice to the previously mentioned destruction of the Temple. 
Maybe, But if he is open minded, He would have to see the abomination of desolation.
WHich did not occure in 70 AD.. A destroyed temple. is not an unclean temple (abomination)
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But in Hebrew the overriding principle is to relate the 'he' to the previously mentioned SUBJECT of a sentence. THAT is the grammatical rule. Thus it would relate to MESSIAH, the anointed one
Alternately it can be see as GOD, as an open preposition often does,
Alternately it can be see as GOD, as an open preposition often does,
Jesus is the one who commits the abomination, spoken of my himself in MATT 24? which starts this period of great tribulation, which will get so severe, all life on earth would perish if Jesus himself did not return to put an end to it?
And this roman prince who is to come. What is his role? Did Gabriel mention him, but forgot to tell us his role in the whole prophesy?
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No, You are not looking at history, or the meaning of the word. (again, as I said, we must see it with open eyes)
Destroyed is destroyed,
An Abomination which makes desolate is an unclean thing (usually an Idol) placed in the sanctuary to make it unclean. That is what lleaves it desolate.
Antiochus epiphanies (the first little horn) did this, by sacrificing a pic in the inner sanctuary..
Destroyed is destroyed,
An Abomination which makes desolate is an unclean thing (usually an Idol) placed in the sanctuary to make it unclean. That is what lleaves it desolate.
Antiochus epiphanies (the first little horn) did this, by sacrificing a pic in the inner sanctuary..
Originally Posted by valiant
But in Hebrew the overriding principle is to relate the 'he' to the previously mentioned SUBJECT of a sentence. THAT is the grammatical rule. Thus it would relate to MESSIAH, the anointed one
Alternately it can be see as GOD, as an open preposition often does,
Alternately it can be see as GOD, as an open preposition often does,
LOL anything but the truth from you. Jesus said THEY WOULD SEE the abomination of desolation standing where it ought not. The Roman legions with their idolatrous banners standing at the gates of Jerusalem, and its subsequent destruction WAS the abomination of desolation, and it introduced 2000 years of great tribulation for the Jews. Look at the FACTS. Don't twist history,
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That's what I'm doing, and yet we both can't be right. { You only think that is what you are doing... And, you are totally ignoring - and missing - all of what I am trying to show you. }
Then you're not following grammatical rules, because to determine the "he" of Dan.9:27, one must pick up the person mentioned just previous. In Dan.9:26 that would be "the prince", not Jesus. { I keep trying to tell you -- that is not the way it works in a case like this... }
I think you've stared at it so long trying to find an end around that Scripture that it has blinded you. { I think you are hanging onto what you have been taught so tightly that you will not let go of it and allow yourself to see the truth of this matter... }
Always, when you have a hanging third person pronoun like 'he, she, it, etc.' the subject is determined by the previous object mentioned. { Not always... } That's English Grammar on that. { Not always... } The colon) in Dan.9:26 simply is separating the subject between Christ Jesus and the prince that would come later. { And, the subject is Christ; the 'prince' part of the verse is an 'aside'... } The semi-colon is separating event times between "the prince" (Titus) and the end of the world. { No... }
Then you're not following grammatical rules, because to determine the "he" of Dan.9:27, one must pick up the person mentioned just previous. In Dan.9:26 that would be "the prince", not Jesus. { I keep trying to tell you -- that is not the way it works in a case like this... }
I think you've stared at it so long trying to find an end around that Scripture that it has blinded you. { I think you are hanging onto what you have been taught so tightly that you will not let go of it and allow yourself to see the truth of this matter... }
Always, when you have a hanging third person pronoun like 'he, she, it, etc.' the subject is determined by the previous object mentioned. { Not always... } That's English Grammar on that. { Not always... } The colon
) in Dan.9:26 simply is separating the subject between Christ Jesus and the prince that would come later. { And, the subject is Christ; the 'prince' part of the verse is an 'aside'... } The semi-colon is separating event times between "the prince" (Titus) and the end of the world. { No... }
( smh )
I am trying to help you understand why the 'grammar of the language' says differently than what you are thinking...
Have you given sufficient attention - and thought - to everything written in post #90?
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What Fact? Your facts?
Where an Abomination of desolation (literally an unclean thing in a holy place) was never commited.
Where there has not been such great tribulation such as never been seen before or after (WW 1 and 2 were far greater, you can not even compare the two.
So I have your view. And reality, and the two does not match..
Again, Where is you open mind?
Where an Abomination of desolation (literally an unclean thing in a holy place) was never commited.
Where there has not been such great tribulation such as never been seen before or after (WW 1 and 2 were far greater, you can not even compare the two.
So I have your view. And reality, and the two does not match..
Again, Where is you open mind?
Dan 9: and the people of the prince (Titus) that shall come shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (Temple); and the end thereof shall be with a flood (of Roman solders), and unto the end of the war (in AD 67-73) desolations (Scattering of the Jews) are determined.
And he (JESUS) shall confirm the (new) covenant with many (world) for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week (3.5 year mark) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (BY BEING THE SACRIFICE FOR ALL), and for the overspreading (Flood) of abominations (sins) he shall make it (Temple) desolate,
(LETS STOP HERE. All of the previous has been accomplished. What is being said is that the Sanctuary or Temple is to remain desolate for what will be a long period of time. The Temple will remain desolate or in this case destroyed, until...)
even until the consummation (Fire), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
So the sanctuary or temple is to remain desolate or destroyed until the Wrath of God is poured out as a consuming fire upon the Desolate. So if I am correct, there will be no man-made 3rd Jewish Temple before the Wrath of God is poured out because this wrath happens at the end in close proximity to the Second Coming.
Once one understands the identity of the "Desolate who are consumed" then the puzzle is mostly solved.
It should be clear from the above that the "Desolate" will have "fire" poured out upon them, consuming them. This concept of a consuming fire poured out by God upon the wicked/desolate is re-enforced by John in Rev 14:
the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
So these passages are very much related. We have a consuming fire being poured out by God on those who "accept the mark", who worship and serve the BEAST and it's copy or image. These same people are called the "desolate" by Paul:
Galatians 4:27
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
A study of this passage reveals that the "Desolate" are the "Sons of Ishmael" the Father of today's Muslims. The barren are Jews and they have a husband. The desolate are Muslims and they have no husband as Hagar was not a wife. She could be more accurately described as a harlot. The Muslims have many more children (1.5 B) than the Jews (16 M).
So now we have everything coming into focus. The Wheat are Jews. The Tares which grow up among them are Muslims and indeed we see this today and it has been like this for 4,000 years. The nations named by Ezekiel in Chapters 38-39 are mostly Muslim. Their religion, ISLAM, has a false prophet and a false god (Allah). They are the deceived. They are the haters of Israel and Christians.
And he (JESUS) shall confirm the (new) covenant with many (world) for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week (3.5 year mark) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (BY BEING THE SACRIFICE FOR ALL), and for the overspreading (Flood) of abominations (sins) he shall make it (Temple) desolate,
(LETS STOP HERE. All of the previous has been accomplished. What is being said is that the Sanctuary or Temple is to remain desolate for what will be a long period of time. The Temple will remain desolate or in this case destroyed, until...)
even until the consummation (Fire), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
So the sanctuary or temple is to remain desolate or destroyed until the Wrath of God is poured out as a consuming fire upon the Desolate. So if I am correct, there will be no man-made 3rd Jewish Temple before the Wrath of God is poured out because this wrath happens at the end in close proximity to the Second Coming.
Once one understands the identity of the "Desolate who are consumed" then the puzzle is mostly solved.
It should be clear from the above that the "Desolate" will have "fire" poured out upon them, consuming them. This concept of a consuming fire poured out by God upon the wicked/desolate is re-enforced by John in Rev 14:
the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
So these passages are very much related. We have a consuming fire being poured out by God on those who "accept the mark", who worship and serve the BEAST and it's copy or image. These same people are called the "desolate" by Paul:
Galatians 4:27
For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
A study of this passage reveals that the "Desolate" are the "Sons of Ishmael" the Father of today's Muslims. The barren are Jews and they have a husband. The desolate are Muslims and they have no husband as Hagar was not a wife. She could be more accurately described as a harlot. The Muslims have many more children (1.5 B) than the Jews (16 M).
So now we have everything coming into focus. The Wheat are Jews. The Tares which grow up among them are Muslims and indeed we see this today and it has been like this for 4,000 years. The nations named by Ezekiel in Chapters 38-39 are mostly Muslim. Their religion, ISLAM, has a false prophet and a false god (Allah). They are the deceived. They are the haters of Israel and Christians.
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LOL you have queer interpretations The abomination of desolation was caused by the people of the prince who would come. Then began the great tribulation of the Jews (the time of Jacob's trouble) which continued to the present day, Its simple really until you start to twist scripture,
The prince HAD come with his people. He destroyed the city and the sanctuary
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The Abomination is of the Desolate. As I showed earlier, the Desolate are the Muslims, i.e., the followers of Islam. The Muslims will place something where it ought not be. This placing of the A of D will trigger (or has triggered) the GREAT TRIBULATION. The Great Tribulation is clearly aimed at Israel.
Mat 24 (shortened for effect):
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:[SUP]
21 [/SUP]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
It is only those in Judea who are to flee. Muslims (the Desolate) place something that God considers an Abomination in a "holy place" and when that is seen by those in Judea, they are to flee. This tells me something very bad is going to happen in and around Judea or Israel or has happened there already. This bad thing is targeting the Jews/Israelis which is the Woman below.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
This "time, times and half a time" can also be found in Dan 12:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
So the scattering lasted from 70 AD to 1948 AD which was when the Jews/Israelis were being brought back into the Land, a process which continues to this day. Failing to destroy the Jews/Israelis because they were scattered among the nations (mountains), Satan became enraged and decided to attack Israel's offspring, which can only be the USA. There are as many Jews in America as there is in Israel. No other nation comes close.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Muslims began their attack on the United States on Sep 11, 2001. They are far from finished.
Mat 24 (shortened for effect):
[SUP]15 [/SUP]When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:[SUP]
21 [/SUP]For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
It is only those in Judea who are to flee. Muslims (the Desolate) place something that God considers an Abomination in a "holy place" and when that is seen by those in Judea, they are to flee. This tells me something very bad is going to happen in and around Judea or Israel or has happened there already. This bad thing is targeting the Jews/Israelis which is the Woman below.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
This "time, times and half a time" can also be found in Dan 12:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.
So the scattering lasted from 70 AD to 1948 AD which was when the Jews/Israelis were being brought back into the Land, a process which continues to this day. Failing to destroy the Jews/Israelis because they were scattered among the nations (mountains), Satan became enraged and decided to attack Israel's offspring, which can only be the USA. There are as many Jews in America as there is in Israel. No other nation comes close.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Muslims began their attack on the United States on Sep 11, 2001. They are far from finished.