The time of Jacobs trouble

[DP]

Daniel 9:

[SUP]24[/SUP] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.


You are not properly understanding "just what exactly" - nor the "sense and tense" of - the things listed in this verse.

Here is one explanation I made in the past for "to make an end of sins" -- does it make any sense to you?



Christ accomplished the things in the list during His First Coming -- including:

"to seal up the vision and prophecy" ( of Daniel ) -- i.e. - the 70 weeks prophecy and the vision that the 70 weeks prophecy was given as an answer to.

This means that the 70 weeks prophecy is fulfilled - finished - completed. All 70 weeks - all 490 years - as a single continuous unbroken span of time - are past history...

Do you know how Christ fulfilled this very one thing in the list?

He did so by fulfilling all of the other things in the list. This is 'defined' in the verse itself. Does this make sense?

Oh I well understand what my Lord Jesus fulfilled on His cross... for those who BELIEVE on Him. I am a Christian believer ya know. And these things apply literally to... Israel and Jerusalem. That's who Daniel was given the 70 weeks prophecy about.

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

Remember Rom.11 about Israel blinded in part, where Paul said all Israel will be saved. God is going to forgive their sin against Christ because of the blindness He put upon them so The Gospel would also go to the Gentiles, and per Zech.12 they will mourn for Jesus like a lost son on that day. That is what those things in that Dan.9:24 includes, and it hasn't happened yet for 'them' today, because the majority of the Jews in Jerusalem today still reject our Lord Jesus.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Then you have to spiritualize the mark,human destruction,marine life,flying scorpions,hail of fire,Babylon,billions of martyrs ,the white horses,etc,etc.

The mark of the man/beast is sin, I have written on that as well. So though the mark is a spiritual inward mark, as in the heart and mind of man, it is also a physical reality manifested in those persons who have it, and practice lawlessness. Though the many symbolisms in the book of Revelation hold a deeper spiritual meaning, they are still manifest in a physical reality.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The mark of the man/beast is sin, I have written on that as well. So though the mark is a spiritual inward mark, as in the heart and mind of man, it is also a physical reality manifested in those persons who have it, and practice lawlessness. Though the many symbolisms in the book of Revelation hold a deeper spiritual meaning, they are still manifest in a physical reality.

The mark of the beast is a literal sub-dermal device that will replace the swiping of magnetic cards and cell phone apps which will allow the individual to credit and debit their bank accounts electronically. People use the very system every day that mark of the beast will run on by making electronic purchases, which is exactly why we have been seeing and will continue to see the world moving away from paper money and coinage. Everything will be done electronically. The burden of proof is on you in that, there are already businesses in Sweden where people are being implanted with RFID chips under the skin between the thumb and index fingers. The very fact that this technology even exists is a testament to the truth and accuracy of God's word. The information that you are providing above is a well known taught interpretation, which demonstrates that your conclusion is not based on your own studies, but what you have been taught. The other part of that teaching that you are quoting is that, the mark of the beast is observance of the Sabbath on Sunday. The fact is that, scripture does not support a symbolic interpretation of the mark on the forehead as representing "making a decision" nor does it support the right hand as meaning "action." Try reading the word of God for yourself instead of listening to these false teachers. Because I guarantee you that they are false! The following is the technology of the literal mark of the beast which will continue to evolve leading up until that antichrist is revealed:

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News

 

[psalm6819]

I'll post this old post on the 42 months as a sign of time here as well....

Many believe the 42 months mentioned in Revelation should be taken literally, like a literal 3 and a half year tribulation period. But I believe the 42 months is a sign (symbolism) of time which should be spiritually discerned.

Let’s look at why this 42 months, or 1,260 days is not a literal 3 and half years, but is rather symbolic of time. In Revelation 12:5-6 we read “[SUP]5 [/SUP]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.” (1,260 days or 42 months)

Most would agree this verse is speaking about the birth of Jesus Christ, and his being caught up to God, and the woman being the sign of the spiritual Israel, because these are those who “ have the testimony of Jesus Christ” as seen in Rev. 12:17.
But no matter who you believe the woman represents, the timing of when she fled into the wilderness is shown to be right after the “man-child” Jesus was caught up to God and to His throne.”

This time is confirmed again here in Revelation 12:14 “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, times, and half a time and, from the face of the serpent.” So now we have this same 1,260 days also shown as “time, times, and half a time” which is also mentioned in the book of Daniel 12:7.

This prophecy given to Daniel had to do with a “time of trouble such as the world has never seen” (Daniel 12:1) Which Jesus also mentioned in Matthew 24:21 concerning the great tribulation following right after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad. And this time period would run all the way to the redemption of Gods people as Daniel was also told in Daniel chapter 12… “at that time thy people shall be delivered, everyone that shall be found written in the book of Life.”

And then there is mention of the resurrection as mentioned here in Daniel 12:2 “[SUP]2 [/SUP]And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

Then this time is confirmed in Daniel 12:7 “[SUP]7 [/SUP]And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.”

So according to the word of the Lord, all those things mentioned to Daniel shall be finished in that same time period.
Now let’s look at how this time period is also shown as the same amount of time given to the fullness of the Gentiles.
Jesus spoke of “after the tribulation of those days” in accordance with the tribulation period of the Jews as it also relates the fullness of the Gentiles. (“that all things which are written may be fulfilled” Luke 21:22)

In Luke 21:24 Jesus says “ And they(Jews) shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

So how long was the times of the Gentiles? Well, were given that time as well in scripture.

Revelation 11:2 “But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

This confirms the Gentile ingathering period, the tribulation of those days, and all those things being fulfilled as listed in the book of Daniel could not possibly be a literal 42 months, or 1,260 days, but rather it is a sign of time.
We also know by Paul’s words that this time of the Gentiles being fulfilled would be marked by ungodliness being removed from Jacob.

Romans 11:25 “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.”

And finally one more confirmation that this 1,260 days is symbolic is found in Daniel 12:10-13 “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. (1,290 days)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.(1,335 days)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

We know by Jesus’ words, scripture, and history when the abomination of desolation was set up, and when Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 ad. And by these verses above, and the numbers of days given to the end above, that the 42 months, or 1,260 days cannot possibly be a literal amount of time, but rather symbolic.

If it was symbolic I don't think that God would keep mentioning it and defining it in days and month over and over again...just saying

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The mark of the beast is a literal sub-dermal device that will replace the swiping of magnetic cards and cell phone apps which will allow the individual to credit and debit their bank accounts electronically. People use the very system every day that mark of the beast will run on by making electronic purchases, which is exactly why we have been seeing and will continue to see the world moving away from paper money and coinage. Everything will be done electronically. The burden of proof is on you in that, there are already businesses in Sweden where people are being implanted with RFID chips under the skin between the thumb and index fingers.

I can prove all my points by scripture, even if you do not understand them. Here is a couple of examples by scriptural proof the mark is sin.

Cain sinned when he killed his righteous brother Abel, and was cast out of God's presence and had a mark set upon him.

Genesis 4:15
And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

More examples of being marked by sin....

Job 7:20
I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?

Job 10:14
If I sin, then thou markest me, and thou wilt not acquit me from mine iniquity.


Now the burden of proof is on you to show me by scripture what you said here....

The mark of the beast is a literal sub-dermal device that will replace the swiping of magnetic cards and cell phone apps which will allow the individual to credit and debit their bank accounts electronically.

Unless of course this doctrine of yours is just more delusions of a carnally minded mans wild imagination run amuck.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

If it was symbolic I don't think that God would keep mentioning it and defining it in days and month over and over again...just saying

70 weeks were symbolic of years, just sayin.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I covered that in my OP where Jesus declared when that event and that tribulation "days of vengeance" would begin starting with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 ad.=AOD, but would be ongoing on the Jews until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled (symbolic 42 months)

Incorrect! The day of vengeance is speaking about that time of God's wrath, specifically, that last 3 1/2 years prior to Christ's return, also known as the great tribulation. You people need to stop applying end-time events to the destruction of the temple because that event in no way fulfills what is described regarding the time of God's wrath. Regarding that time, Jesus said that it would be a time of great distress that the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again. And if those days had not been cut short, no one on earth would be left alive. Needless to say, the world has not seen this magnitude of destruction that is mentioned here and also in the results of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. With just the 4th seal and the 6 trumpet, the fatalities will be over 4 billion people.

your reference to "Symbolic times" is pure conjecture on your part. This is in fact how you circumvent scripture in order to claim your interpretations, i.e. by spiritualizing scripture. These are not symbolic times, but literal. The destruction of the temple greatly pales regarding the description of what is coming. The wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be in fulfillment of the following prophecy, just to name one:

"I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, when I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth, declares the Lord. I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea—and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble. When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth," (Zeph.1)

The above is what is coming and it is coming to the entire earth.

 

[valiant]

Oh I well understand what my Lord Jesus fulfilled on His cross... for those who BELIEVE on Him. I am a Christian believer ya know. And these things apply literally to... Israel and Jerusalem. That's who Daniel was given the 70 weeks prophecy about.

Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV

Remember Rom.11 about Israel blinded in part, where Paul said all Israel will be saved. God is going to forgive their sin against Christ because of the blindness He put upon them so The Gospel would also go to the Gentiles, and per Zech.12 they will mourn for Jesus like a lost son on that day. That is what those things in that Dan.9:24 includes, and it hasn't happened yet for 'them' today, because the majority of the Jews in Jerusalem today still reject our Lord Jesus.

Rubbish. Its a pity you folk don't read the whole. 'Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea only A REMNANT shall be saved'. (9.27)

So the phrase 'all Israel will be saved' in in direct contradiction to it.

But if you read it carefully in the light of 11.12-24 you will note that ALL ISRAEL is believing jews and believing gentiles,

 

[valiant]

Incorrect! The day of vengeance is speaking about that time of God's wrath, specifically, that last 3 1/2 years prior to Christ's return, also known as the great tribulation. You people need to stop applying end-time events to the destruction of the temple because that event in no way fulfills what is described regarding the time of God's wrath. Regarding that time, Jesus said that it would be a time of great distress that the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again. And if those days had not been cut short, no one on earth would be left alive. Needless to say, the world has not seen this magnitude of destruction that is mentioned here and also in the results of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. With just the 4th seal and the 6 trumpet, the fatalities will be over 4 billion people.

your reference to "Symbolic times" is pure conjecture on your part. This is in fact how you circumvent scripture in order to claim your interpretations, i.e. by spiritualizing scripture. These are not symbolic times, but literal. The destruction of the temple greatly pales regarding the description of what is coming. The wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be in fulfillment of the following prophecy, just to name one:

"I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, when I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth, declares the Lord. I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea—and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble. When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth," (Zeph.1)

The above is what is coming and it is coming to the entire earth.

Fairy tales

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Incorrect! The day of vengeance is speaking about that time of God's wrath, specifically, that last 3 1/2 years prior to Christ's return, also known as the great tribulation. You people need to stop applying end-time events to the destruction of the temple because that event in no way fulfills what is described regarding the time of God's wrath. Regarding that time, Jesus said that it would be a time of great distress that the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again. And if those days had not been cut short, no one on earth would be left alive. Needless to say, the world has not seen this magnitude of destruction that is mentioned here and also in the results of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. With just the 4th seal and the 6 trumpet, the fatalities will be over 4 billion people.

your reference to "Symbolic times" is pure conjecture on your part. This is in fact how you circumvent scripture in order to claim your interpretations, i.e. by spiritualizing scripture. These are not symbolic times, but literal. The destruction of the temple greatly pales regarding the description of what is coming. The wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will be in fulfillment of the following prophecy, just to name one:

"I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth, when I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth, declares the Lord. I will sweep away both man and beast; I will sweep away the birds in the sky and the fish in the sea—and the idols that cause the wicked to stumble. When I destroy all mankind on the face of the earth," (Zeph.1)

The above is what is coming and it is coming to the entire earth.

We are given by Jesus and Daniels prophecy when that time started, as I've also shown by multitudes of scripture. But that time is still ongoing as I've also shown by scripture. If you guys harden your hearts with pride and don't believe what is written, then you will remain deceived and blind to the Truth. Have a nice day.

 

[Ahwatukee]

We are given by Jesus and Daniels prophecy when that time started, as I've also shown by multitudes of scripture. But that time is still ongoing as I've also shown by scripture. If you guys harden your hearts with pride and don't believe what is written, then you will remain deceived and blind to the Truth. Have a nice day.

You haven't even replied to how Jesus could be the "He" in Dan.9:27 as the one who sets up the abomination in the temple. Do you have an answer for that? By the way, the reference to Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15-21 hasn't happened yet and has nothing to do with the destruction of the temple. That seven year covenant hasn't been made yet and therefore, neither has the abomination been set up. For 3 1/2 years after it has been set up, Jesus returns to end the age and that hasn't happened. My heart is not hardened, I just know the truth of scripture and am not deceived by false teachers. The interpretation that you are proclaiming is well know and therefore it is not your own. Try letting go of what you have been taught and read it for your self. The destruction of the temple is nothing in comparison to the wrath that is coming. You need to stop spiritualizing everything.

 

[DP]

Rubbish. Its a pity you folk don't read the whole. 'Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea only A REMNANT shall be saved'. (9.27)

So the phrase 'all Israel will be saved' in in direct contradiction to it.

But if you read it carefully in the light of 11.12-24 you will note that ALL ISRAEL is believing jews and believing gentiles,

I was just quoting Apostle Paul, here:

Rom 11:25-32
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.


30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.
KJV

Who is it then that is 'wise in their own conceits'? It's those who don't believe God will do that for the unbelievers of the seed of Israel that He blinded away from Jesus so The Gospel could go also to the Gentiles.

That 'blindness' God put upon them is what many brethren don't understand (see Isaiah 29). Since God put that blindness upon them, how can they be held accountable for their unbelief during this time? It's when God removes their blindness once the fullness of the Gentiles comes in that they then shall be accountable for the choice to believe on Jesus Christ or not, just as we have.

 

[DP]

Rubbish. Its a pity you folk don't read the whole. 'Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea only A REMNANT shall be saved'. (9.27)

So the phrase 'all Israel will be saved' in in direct contradiction to it.

But if you read it carefully in the light of 11.12-24 you will note that ALL ISRAEL is believing jews and believing gentiles,

I want you to especially note what Apostle Paul said about those in Rom.11 here, clearly... showing they are NOT believers on Christ Jesus that he was speaking of:

Rom 11:28-29
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.


29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

You haven't even replied to how Jesus could be the "He" in Dan.9:27 as the one who sets up the abomination in the temple. Do you have an answer for that? That seven year covenant hasn't been made yet and therefore, neither has the abomination been set up.

Post #47 I answered that, your repeating yourself.

 

[GaryA]

You haven't even replied to how Jesus could be the "He" in Dan.9:27 as the one who sets up the abomination in the temple.

"Well, for starters -- the 'he' in Daniel 9:27 does not set up any abomination in any temple..."

What you think it says is not what it actually says.

By the way, the reference to Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15-21 hasn't happened yet and has nothing to do with the destruction of the temple.

No reference to Daniel 9:27 is made in Matthew 24:15-21.

The "abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet" refers to Daniel 11:31; 12:11 - but not Daniel 9:27.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ~ Daniel 9:27

And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. ~ Daniel 11:31

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. ~ Daniel 12:11

Let's see...

For the verses in Daniel 11 & 12:

'the abomination' (singular) that [ itself ] "maketh desolate"

For the verse in Daniel 9:

"because of the 'proliferation and extent' of abominations" (plural) - 'he' ( Christ [ or, a person - and not the abomination itself ] ) - shall make [it] desolate

I do not believe that Daniel 9:27 is identically the same as the other two. I believe it is more probable that the abomination spoken of in Daniel 11 & 12 is one of the abominations spoken of in Daniel 9. I think Daniel 9 is "looking at a bigger picture" in this regard.

Consider the idea that God had the temple destroyed so the Jews would not "unwittingly" continue to commit abominations in the form of making sacrifices in the [physical] temple after Christ's resurrection. Since He was the "one-time sufficient sacrifice" -- and, since God afterward "made His abode" in "a temple not made with hands" - a spiritual temple by the Holy Spirit indwelling believers -- sacrifices made [to God] in the [physical] temple would be abominations in of themselves.

I believe that "shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" in Daniel 9:27 is speaking of the moment Christ died and the veil was rent:

And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom. ~ Mark 15:38

The other two verses, of course, are speaking of that same "abomination of desolation" mentioned in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 -- which I personally believe had to have occurred some time just before 70 A.D.

I believe that the desolation spoken of in Daniel 9:27 does most certainly apply to the events circa 70 A.D.

The phrase "even until the consummation" tells me that there will not be another temple built before the Second Coming of Christ.

( Enough for now -- I got to get to bed sometime... )

The interpretation that you are proclaiming is well know and therefore it is not your own.

"Don't say CRAP like this..."

The interpretation that you are proclaiming is even more well known and therefore it is absolutely most certainly not your own.

So then -- what are you really saying by saying this?

 

[Ahwatukee]

"Well, for starters -- the 'he' in Daniel 9:27 does not set up any abomination in any temple..."

What you think it says is not what it actually says

Hello GaryA,

Regarding the above, yes, I know, that is exactly my point. InSpiritInTruth is claiming that Jesus is the "He" of Dan.9:27, which according to his interpretation, Jesus would then also be the one who is setting up the abomination, which he cannot do because it is an abomination against God. So I was reminding that he hadn't given an answer to that. To be clear, I was claiming that Jesus is the one setting up abomination, but it will be done by that antichrist.

 

[mpaper345]

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

70 weeks are determined upon Israel,which is 490 years,to be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.69 weeks have passed with one more week to go.At the end of the 70 weeks Israel must be in the truth that Jesus is their Messiah.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Mat 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
Mat 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

When Jesus was on earth,Israel as a nation did not recognize Him as their Messiah,so the 70 weeks were not fulfilled at that time.

Because Israel as a nation rejected Jesus,God allowed the Roman Empire to overthrow Jerusalem,and scatter them in to the nations,so Israel did not fulfill the 70 weeks because they were separated from each other,being scattered in to the nations.

When Israel became a nation again in 1948,and to this day they still do not recognize Jesus as their Messiah,so the 70 weeks have not been fulfilled yet.

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Israel is blinded in part because they do not recognize Jesus as their Messiah,although some Jews do,but Israel as a nation must recognize Jesus,so the 70 weeks have not been fulfilled yet.

When the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,is when salvation is no longer available to them after they take the mark,and the resurrection happens.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Act 1:12 Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey(Zechariah 14:1-5).

All Israel shall be saved is when God restores the kingdom back to them in the millennial reign of Christ,and Israel will be the only operating government,and there will be no operating Gentile government.The world will attack Israel under the rule of the man of sin,and God will come back with His saints,and put the world down,and save Israel,for they will then recognize Jesus as their Messiah,and Jesus and the saints will rule over a 6th of the world that God spared.

The 7 years period will be the time that God will bring Israel to the truth,fulfilling the 70 weeks,and cause all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark of the beast,and then He will put them down,and the millennial reign will begin.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.
Eze 39:22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
Eze 39:23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
Eze 39:24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.
Eze 39:25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
Eze 39:26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
Eze 39:27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
Eze 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Eze 39:29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Jer 46:27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.
Jer 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isa 11:1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 11:3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
Isa 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
Isa 11:5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
Isa 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
Isa 11:8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

The millennial reign of Christ has not happened in the past,can only be on earth,and is a future event,which is when the kingdom will be restored to Israel.

 

[Ahwatukee]

No reference to Daniel 9:27 is made in Matthew 24:15-21.

Really, then what do you call the following?

Dan.9:27
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Mt.24:15
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[SUP]a[/SUP] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house.

As can be seen above, Jesus is quoting Dan.9:27.

 

[GaryA]

Really, then what do you call the following? { "a corrupted bible version" }

Dan.9:27
"He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."

Mt.24:15
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[SUP]a[/SUP] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house.

As can be seen above, Jesus is quoting Dan.9:27.

You are reading from the wrong bible...

Go read the 'GRA' quote in post #75.

 

[DP]

You are reading from the wrong bible...

Go read the 'GRA' quote in post #75.

Doesn't matter what Bible translation is used, the Dan.9:27 verse is still pointing to an abomination (idol) that makes desolate.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations (shall come) one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall (wrath) be poured out upon the desolate.
ASV

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one who makes desolate, until the decreed end is poured out on the desolator."
RSV

Dan 9:27
27 This king will make a seven-year treaty with the people, but after half that time, he will break his pledge and stop the Jews from all their sacrifices and their offerings; then, as a climax to all his terrible deeds, the Enemy shall utterly defile the sanctuary of God. But in God's time and plan, his judgment will be poured out upon this Evil One."
TLB

Dan 9:26-27
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
NIV

Dan 9:27
27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."
NASU