The Torah is Still Binding and We Must Obey It
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If you going to be following the torah, you need to learn what it says and it does teach people should be stoned to death for certain things
Are you going to be using those really big rocks to stone people or a bunch of smaller ones?
I'd think the bigger ones will whack people quicker, but just be sure to only whack people that need whackin.
There's a lot of responsibility that comes with whackin people because you are following the torah
Are you going to be using those really big rocks to stone people or a bunch of smaller ones?
I'd think the bigger ones will whack people quicker, but just be sure to only whack people that need whackin.
There's a lot of responsibility that comes with whackin people because you are following the torah
But on a serious note. The Torah provides excellent information on the Ark of the Covenant which we can compare to Jesus, the Tabernacle which is the tent version of Temple (there is a Temple in Heaven so this gives us details to what Heaven's Temple looks like), the Shema explains the importance for Jesus 2 Commandments Love God with all that we are and our neighbor as ourselves, the Creation story, Noah's Flood, Nephilim and that connection with the enemies of Israel, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob our Fathers, the Promises of God during that time, the plagues and Miracles of and escaping Egypt, Manna, Garden of Eden, Prophesies during that time for the future, Shiloh, Aaron's budded Rod/Staff, Shewbread, and much much more.
So the Torah is very vital to much our own beliefs today.
So the Torah is very vital to much our own beliefs today.
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Whether "we are free to do everything that the torah reveals as sin" can be left as a hypothetical, because why would we, freed by Jesus for life in the Spirit, grieve him who gave the torah? He didn't come to abolish it but to fulfill it, and love is the fulfillment of the torah. The same teaching shines in Romans 13 as in Matthew 5.
Let's say the torah is a schoolteacher. I remember schoolteachers, and now I am grown I am not under them, but I don't use my freedom to rebel against the truths they taught me, because now I know the same truth in my own heart. Likewise, freedom in God's Messiah cannot mean opposition to the torah of God. To love as God loves is to fulfil the torah, and go far beyond it.
Am I on the right track, dears? Let's be guided by God who gives us everything we have.
Let's say the torah is a schoolteacher. I remember schoolteachers, and now I am grown I am not under them, but I don't use my freedom to rebel against the truths they taught me, because now I know the same truth in my own heart. Likewise, freedom in God's Messiah cannot mean opposition to the torah of God. To love as God loves is to fulfil the torah, and go far beyond it.
Am I on the right track, dears? Let's be guided by God who gives us everything we have.
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I have passed on Isaiah 9:6 so many times which explains the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are One, ergo, thinking upon it, Jesus Yeshua is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, they are but One, as taught in both Testaments. This is believed on the gift of faith given me, so you cannot say Jesus Yeshau is not the Word, Who was in the beginning.
This mystery will be fully understood come th e Kingdom, fully.
This mystery will be fully understood come th e Kingdom, fully.
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● Gen 26:5 . . . Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my statutes,
my commandments, and my laws.
Jews sometimes use that passage to prove Abraham's association with God
was regulated by the covenant that Moses' people entered into with God per
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, but he was clearly excluded.
"The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our
forefathers did The Lord make this covenant, but with us, we, all of whom
are here alive today." (Deut 5:2-3)
Moses' covenant is a compulsory legal system that requires its participants to
obey or else suffer stipulated consequences, whereas Abraham's association with
God was based upon an honor system wherein are no stipulated consequences
for disobedience.
For example: Moses' covenant prohibits dishonesty.
"Do not lie; do not deceive one another." (Lev 19:11)
When Moses' people fail to comply with that rule they get slammed with a
curse.
"Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying
them out." (Deut 27:26)
Well; as all Bible readers know; Abraham wasn't entirely honest about his
relationship with Sarah. But Abraham wasn't cursed for attempting to
deceive certain folks with a half-truth because his association with God
wasn't regulated by Moses' covenant. Christ's followers enjoy the very same
advantage.
"Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under the Law" (Rom 6:14)
"My brethren, you are become dead to the Law by the body of Christ" (Rom 7:4)
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● Gen 26:5 . . . Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my statutes,
my commandments, and my laws.
Jews sometimes use that passage to prove Abraham's association with God
was regulated by the covenant that Moses' people entered into with God per
Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, but he was clearly excluded.
"The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our
forefathers did The Lord make this covenant, but with us, we, all of whom
are here alive today." (Deut 5:2-3)
Moses' covenant is a compulsory legal system that requires its participants to
obey or else suffer stipulated consequences, whereas Abraham's association with
God was based upon an honor system wherein are no stipulated consequences
for disobedience.
For example: Moses' covenant prohibits dishonesty.
"Do not lie; do not deceive one another." (Lev 19:11)
When Moses' people fail to comply with that rule they get slammed with a
curse.
"Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying
them out." (Deut 27:26)
Well; as all Bible readers know; Abraham wasn't entirely honest about his
relationship with Sarah. But Abraham wasn't cursed for attempting to
deceive certain folks with a half-truth because his association with God
wasn't regulated by Moses' covenant. Christ's followers enjoy the very same
advantage.
"Sin shall not be your master, because you are not under the Law" (Rom 6:14)
"My brethren, you are become dead to the Law by the body of Christ" (Rom 7:4)
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● Heb 8:8-13 . . Behold, the days come, saith The Lord, when I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah . . . In
that he saith, "A new covenant" He hath made the first old. Now that which
decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy may be obsolete but that old dog can
still bark. In point of fact it will be the standard by which the Diaspora will be
evaluated to determine who enters Messiah's kingdom and who gets culled
from the herd and sent elsewhere. (Ezek 20:33-38)
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● Heb 8:8-13 . . Behold, the days come, saith The Lord, when I will make a
new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah . . . In
that he saith, "A new covenant" He hath made the first old. Now that which
decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy may be obsolete but that old dog can
still bark. In point of fact it will be the standard by which the Diaspora will be
evaluated to determine who enters Messiah's kingdom and who gets culled
from the herd and sent elsewhere. (Ezek 20:33-38)
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● Ps 110:4 . . The Lord has sworn, and will not change his mind: You are a
priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
Messiah's jurisdiction as a high priest is limited to a heavenly sphere (Heb
8:4). The earthen sphere is still the domain of Aaron and his sons in spite of
Jesus' intrinsically superior priesthood. And one day, in Messiah's very
kingdom itself, Aaron's family, and the Levites, will once again be at their
posts discharging their official duties in Jerusalem. (Ex 40:12-15 & Jer
33:17-22)
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● Ps 110:4 . . The Lord has sworn, and will not change his mind: You are a
priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
Messiah's jurisdiction as a high priest is limited to a heavenly sphere (Heb
8:4). The earthen sphere is still the domain of Aaron and his sons in spite of
Jesus' intrinsically superior priesthood. And one day, in Messiah's very
kingdom itself, Aaron's family, and the Levites, will once again be at their
posts discharging their official duties in Jerusalem. (Ex 40:12-15 & Jer
33:17-22)
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From Leviticus... part of the Torah.... this is what you teach and practice? Or are you changing part of the Torah to fit your comfort zone?
9 ‘If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall certainly be put to death.
10 ‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 If there is a man who sleeps with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness. Both of them must be put to death, they have brought their [g]own deaths upon themselves.
27 ‘Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist [t]must be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; they have brought their [u]own deaths upon themselves.’”
9 ‘If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall certainly be put to death.
10 ‘If there is a man who commits adultery with another man’s wife, one who commits adultery with his friend’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
11 If there is a man who sleeps with his father’s wife, he has uncovered his father’s nakedness. Both of them must be put to death, they have brought their [g]own deaths upon themselves.
27 ‘Now a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist [t]must be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; they have brought their [u]own deaths upon themselves.’”
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thats just hebrew roots talking.
think about it friend, we are under the law of Christ. not under the law of Moses.
1 cor 9:20-21 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), to win those under the law. To those without the law I became like one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law.
he says in one sentence not under the law but is under the law. which law?
think about it friend, we are under the law of Christ. not under the law of Moses.
1 cor 9:20-21 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), to win those under the law. To those without the law I became like one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law.
he says in one sentence not under the law but is under the law. which law?
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Even if that were true, it wouldn't, it doesn't show that anything that I said was false.
In 1 Corinthians 9:21, Paul used a parallel statement to equate the Law of God with the Law of Christ by saying that he was not outside the Law of God, but under the Law of Christ. the Bible refers to the Law of Moses as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23, after all the Law of Moses was given by God and Christ is God.
In 1 Corinthians 9:21, Paul used a parallel statement to equate the Law of God with the Law of Christ by saying that he was not outside the Law of God, but under the Law of Christ. the Bible refers to the Law of Moses as being the Law of God in verses like Nehemiah 8:1-8, Ezra 7:6-12, and Luke 2:22-23, after all the Law of Moses was given by God and Christ is God.