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Michael68

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
If you believe Jesus is God, naturally through the Spirit, the Father and Holy Spirit, will make sense to you!
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Its so simple to me. The Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ. The deity of the Father is fully in Christ. He is the holy and only begotten Son of God. There is no difference in the essence of Christ. No trinitarian church I have ever been to in fifty years has ever demanded you must title Christ the one true God to be saved. That is nearly always to be found on the internet.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
If you believe Jesus is God, naturally through the Spirit, the Father and Holy Spirit, will make sense to you!
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I really wish someone could rationalise this. Many on here say because the Father is fully in Christ we term Christ the one true God. If I say the Father is fully in Christ via the Spirit but I term Christ the son of God, biblically, where the title of Christ is concerned I am on very safe ground indeed. However, what the bible demands and what head theologists demand is two different things.
 
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Michael68 said:
Its so simple to me. The Holy Spirit fully resides in Christ. The deity of the Father is fully in Christ. He is the holy and only begotten Son of God. There is no difference in the essence of Christ. No trinitarian church I have ever been to in fifty years has ever demanded you must title Christ the one true God to be saved. That is nearly always to be found on the internet.
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I am not doing that, I want to read, that you believe Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God.

i just did not ever read you say you believe Jesus is God.

Is Jesus the WORD, in John 1:1, to you?
 
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I will answer with Jesus own words. With respect, if that is a problem for you, you need to take it up with him:
Now this is eternal life, that they may know you(the Father) the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent John17:3
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Jesus also said, "That is why I told you that you would die in your sins.
For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Who do you think the "He" is? .:unsure:

Scripture also claims you make God a liar of you reject the testimony it gives of Jesus.


1 John 5:10
What do you make of John 1:14?


John 1:1 + 14a
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
I am not doing that, I want to read, that you believe Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God.

i just did not ever read you say you believe Jesus is God.

Is Jesus the WORD, in John 1:1, to you?
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I'm sorry, I'm not getting into a discussion swapping scripture verses. Jesus said the Father is the only true God, no one is ever going to make me change my mind, I stand on the words of Jesus, regardless if I get banned from any website for doing so
 
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Michael68 said:
I wrote:

If a person believes the Father is the only true God and greater than the Son, can they inherit eternal life with that view?

CSI replied:

the answer is no.

John14:28, John10:29, John17:3

I know this is the internet, but surely there are some people here prepared to accept the truth
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Nothing in these verses you have used say, state, or hint that Jesus is not the way of Salvation TO the Father.


Jesus is the truth, or He is not. Jesus said in verse 17 that you failed to see or read.


Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Jesus Said No One goes to The Father But by HIM.
Matthew 17:5
God the Father said

5 He was still speaking when behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”


You are trying to diminish the Lord Jesus Christ as you think if you God straight to the Father, He will hear you because you think that Jesus saying, "HE is greater than I" ? Jesus is greater than you.

And God the Father only hears HIM, NOT you. So think you can bypass the lord? Foolishness.


That is some kind of arrogance and JW SDA mumbo jumbo
 
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With respect, if that is a problem for you, you need to take it up with him:
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Reusing the same ploy again and again is not helpful, since you ignore many other things Jesus said and
what is written again and again by many of the other Scripture writers. Do you have a problem with them?
 
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Michael68 said:
I'm sorry, I'm not getting into a discussion swapping scripture verses. Jesus said the Father is the only true God, no one is ever going to make me change my mind, I stand on the words of Jesus, regardless if I get banned from any website for doing so
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not trying to force you into anything here.
not swapping Scripture.
Just wondering how you felt towards if Jesus was Deity or not.
that was all it was ever about.
 
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Magenta said:
Jesus also said, "That is why I told you that you would die in your sins.
For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”

Who do you think the "He" is? .:unsure:

Scripture also claims you make God a liar of you reject the testimony it gives of Jesus.


1 John 5:10
What do you make of John 1:14?


John 1:1 + 14a
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Im disappointed in you Magenta I really am. Sadly, I'm going to have to start putting people on ignore. You are simply showing the traits of a ''head theologist'' If you want to consider me a liar for believing Jesus words sobeit. Goodbye
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
If you believe Jesus is God, naturally through the Spirit, the Father and Holy Spirit, will make sense to you!
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If you do not or will not acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ, the Father doesn't hear you. If the Father doesn't see the Blood applied to you, you are none of his.

it don't mean a Thing if ain't got the King.
 
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CS1 said:
Nothing in these verses you have used say, state, or hint that Jesus is not the way of Salvation TO the Father.


Jesus is the truth, or He is not. Jesus said in verse 17 that you failed to see or read.


Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Jesus Said No One goes to The Father But by HIM.
Matthew 17:5
God the Father said

5 He was still speaking when behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.”


You are trying to diminish the Lord Jesus Christ as you think if you God straight to the Father, He will hear you because you think that Jesus saying, "HE is greater than I" ? Jesus is greater than you.

And God the Father only hears HIM, NOT you. So think you can bypass the lord? Foolishness.


That is some kind of arrogance and JW SDA mumbo jumbo
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Im placing you on ignore also, your knowledge is sadly lacking
 
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Michael68 said:
Im disappointed in you Magenta I really am. Sadly, I'm going to have to start putting people on ignore. You are simply showing the traits of a ''head theologist'' If you want to consider me a liar for believing Jesus words sobeit. Goodbye
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I don't think you will be here very long.
 
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CS1 said:
If you do not or will not acknowledge the Lord Jesus Christ, the Father doesn't hear you. If the Father doesn't see the Blood applied to you, you are none of his.

it don't mean a Thing if ain't got the King.
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Amen!
 
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Michael68 said:
Im disappointed in you Magenta I really am. Sadly, I'm going to have to start putting people on ignore. You are simply
showing the traits of a ''head theologist'' If you want to consider me a liar for believing Jesus words sobeit. Goodbye
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So many ad homs and no real answer. I take it you reject the Deity of Christ.

You won't last long, so I will say my good byes now...
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
not trying to force you into anything here.
not swapping Scripture.
Just wondering how you felt towards if Jesus was Deity or not.
that was all it was ever about.
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You must have read this. The diety of the Father fully dwells in the Son
 
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Im placing you on ignore also, your knowledge is sadly lacking
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that's fine as you can ignore the truth too, but those here can see my response so for their betterment they know false teaching and error.
 
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Michael68 said:
You must have read this. The diety of the Father fully dwells in the Son
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also, you are denying the Trinity or teaching it is unbiblical will have you removed from this site.
 
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Michael68 said:
You must have read this. The diety of the Father fully dwells in the Son
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John 14, Jesus said, the Father Dwells inside me doing the Works.

By that proxy alone, You, and I believe, are saying that Jesus is God?
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
John 14, Jesus said, the Father Dwells inside me doing the Works.

By that proxy alone, You, and I believe, are saying that Jesus is God.
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I'm sorry, but how many times can I say this. You and I completely agree as to the essence of Christ. Im afraid its nonsensical, in the circumstances for anyone to say you cannot then inherit eternal life if you title Christ the Son of God. You may as well throw out the entire bible if the name son of God is not enough to believe in to get to Heaven
 
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Michael68

I think you believe that God is ONE and deals with humanity in 3 specific distinct ways that are extensions of the One God.

I think you see God as Triune in how He Works.

You just don't call it a trinity.

and no need tom because trinity, is not a biblical term.
 
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