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zone

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I shake my head, I really do

So that is your get out of jail card is it, so you do not have to answer the question. Boy oh boy how desperate were you not to answer
See the thing is Zone, you are OK discussing pure theology, of some subjects but you cannot answer the plain reality that ministers will not preach from their pulpits(or they won't in the uk and I doubt many do in the us either) what you believe is acceptable and unacceptable belief as to who Christ is unto salvation and the consequences of getting it wrong

Can you face this subject and truly give your opinion on it? No you cannot
but I'll tell you something, only a head theologist could refuse to respond to that truth, anyone with truly heartfelt conviction would have to respond, not prevaricate as you do just trying to play with words.
Truth is, you are plainly not bothered in the slighhtest that miniasters will not plainly state from the pulpit what to you is salvational belief concerning who Christ must be believed to be and the consequences of getting it wrong

Andv this is why you and others make the statements here you do, although the ministers from the pulpits(in the UK I know of) will not make them, and at least 90% of people in church would consider ridiculoius.

Strange people come on these sites, with weird views indeed, they truly are trapped in their world of scholars/theologians and the little grey cells

As I know you will not properly address the question, just porevaricate I'm putting you on ignore immediately. There is just no point to this
Clearly you ain't bothered if the flock here what to you is the truth and the result of getting it wrong, but heck, this is cyberspace after all
WHERE'S THE BEEF MARK?

where's THE BIG question?

post it already:D

edit: oh....i see i'm on ignore.

does anyone remember back in the day when we had a "prophet" on here, and there was an Arian sidekick?
what was that guy's name?
 
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WHERE'S THE BEEF MARK?

where's THE BIG question?

post it already:D

edit: oh....i see i'm on ignore.

does anyone remember back in the day when we had a "prophet" on here, and there was an Arian sidekick?
what was that guy's name?
Elisha? jk. im new to this kind of debate and cant see the point.

Jesus had Gods nature put in him? is that whats being said?

Or Jesus will be mad if we call him God?

Or dont say people are unsaved if they dont believe Jesus isnt God?

Or if a person is putting their faith in the gospel they better put their faith in Jesus being the Son only
or else they may be damned?

Or???????? I just dont get it. peabrain i spose. Hey! smaller headache so im not complaining.
 

zone

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Elisha? jk. im new to this kind of debate and cant see the point. Jesus had Gods nature put in him?

Or Jesus will be mad if we call him God?

Or dont say people are unsaved if they dont believe Jesus isnt God?

Or if a person is putting their faith in the gospel they better put their faith in Jesus being the Son only
or else they may be damned?

Or???????? I just dont get it. peabrain i spose. Hey! smaller headache so im not complaining.
lol ya.
since i'm on ignore, i'm out.
why reinvent the wheel?
Jesus is God.
 
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lol ya.
since i'm on ignore, i'm out.
why reinvent the wheel?
Jesus is God.
hmm are you? cool seems senseless to me.
ill admit Jesus IS God.
 
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Elisha? jk. im new to this kind of debate and cant see the point.

Jesus had Gods nature put in him? is that whats being said?

Or Jesus will be mad if we call him God?

Or dont say people are unsaved if they dont believe Jesus isnt God?

Or if a person is putting their faith in the gospel they better put their faith in Jesus being the Son only
or else they may be damned?

Or???????? I just dont get it. peabrain i spose. Hey! smaller headache so im not complaining.
As i constantly tell you Abiding. I have not criticised anyone for wishing to term Christ as God himself

You know, for I have mentioned it so many times I simply state the scriptural belief required for salvation is simply to believe Christ is the son of God
 
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As i constantly tell you Abiding. I have not criticised anyone for wishing to term Christ as God himself

You know, for I have mentioned it so many times I simply state the scriptural belief required for salvation is simply to believe Christ is the son of God
Well not only did i give you the answer you wanted a few times I also said fine to calling Jesus the Son Of God.
 
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But can you see that i dont understand your issue. And boy i see you apparently have one.

And my best guess is this:

You dont like anyone telling a person getting saved that they "have" to believe Jesus is God.

Is that it?
 
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But can you see that i dont understand your issue. And boy i see you apparently have one.

And my best guess is this:

You dont like anyone telling a person getting saved that they "have" to believe Jesus is God.

Is that it?
Yep

The biblical requirement for salvation is simply to believe Jesus is the Son if God, that's my only beef here.
I repeat. If people want to believe Jesus is God Himself fine, no problem by me
But don't insist to others it is a salvational belief/they must believe that themselves in order to be saved, because according to scripture they do not
 
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So you dont believe Jesus IS God?
 
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An exegetical word study of 'The Truth' in ANY of John's writings shows that it ALWAYS has Jesus as the Subject matter.

Again...there is no way to escape the Biblical mandate to worship God as Father, Son, and Spirit.

Study up...
Thanks I will do that but for proper exegesis, I will have to look at every usage of altheia not just in John.

The first usage is in Matt. 22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men. Jesus is the subject ... what he taught is true ... teaching the way of God in truth and of course he did because "My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me".

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

I will continue my study and seriously thanks again because I haven't done a word study on truth.


 
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So you dont believe Jesus IS God?

Oh not again Abiding!!!!!!

Why start it up AGAIN with me

No, I believe Christ is the Son of God, that's it

But despite the fact I think you are mistaken to give Christ the title God Himself, I'm an easy goin' non judgemental type, so I'm cool with you being my brother so to speak

You equal Trinitarians have gotta learn to be less judgemental and accept the scriptural requirement unto salvation. That should be your bottom line, not the nicene creed
 
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Oh not again Abiding!!!!!!

Why start it up AGAIN with me

No, I believe Christ is the Son of God, that's it

But despite the fact I think you are mistaken to give Christ the title God Himself, I'm an easy goin' non judgemental type, so I'm cool with you being my brother so to speak

You equal Trinitarians have gotta learn to be less judgemental and accept the scriptural requirement unto salvation. That should be your bottom line, not the nicene creed
Mark im being sincere. I asked a strait question thats all. So it wasnt necessary
to go into all that.

Its making more sense to me now why you have this angst, you dont believe
Jesus is God. Ok i understand you now. Sorry i dont remember ever hearing this before from you.
 
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Mark im being sincere. I asked a strait question thats all. So it wasnt necessary
to go into all that.

Its making more sense to me now why you have this angst, you dont believe
Jesus is God. Ok i understand you now. Sorry i dont remember ever hearing this before from you.
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I believe there is only one true God, the Father, but the Holy Spirit/the Spirit of God's prescence fully dwells in the Son

YOU believe the Holy Spirit is God. So, I don't think there's as much diffence here as some would believe
 
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Oh not again Abiding!!!!!!

Why start it up AGAIN with me

No, I believe Christ is the Son of God, that's it

But despite the fact I think you are mistaken to give Christ the title God Himself, I'm an easy goin' non judgemental type, so I'm cool with you being my brother so to speak

You equal Trinitarians have gotta learn to be less judgemental and accept the scriptural requirement unto salvation. That should be your bottom line, not the nicene creed
Will you help me to understand why Jesus is not God and you are still able to say: "Christ is our Mighty God of the new Covenant"?
 
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Will you help me to understand why Jesus is not God and you are still able to say: "Christ is our Mighty God of the new Covenant"?
I have written it out

Paul said that Abraham is the Father of those who believe

Would we say he is God too

Christ is the head of the new covennant, he is the Father of it
But you would not consider him God the father Himself would you?

So the term everlasting Father must refer to vsomething else
The new covenant, Christ is the Father of that new covenanat, as Abraham according to Pauil is our Father in relation to the covenant that began with him(Rom4)
Likewise, Christ is termed the mighty God of the new covenant also
I assume vou are referring in your question to Isiaih ch 9
 
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I believe there is only one true God, the Father, but the Holy Spirit/the Spirit of God's prescence fully dwells in the Son

YOU believe the Holy Spirit is God. So, I don't think there's as much diffence here as some would believe

well for the most part you sound like a trinitarian to me....the word presence looks a tad sketchy tho