The Trinity

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Why did neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John plainly and clearly state that a person must believe Christ is God Himself unto salvation?

Did the Apostles not have the spiritual insight you and others do today?
Or did they fail woefully in their Christian duty by not informing people very plainly as to the belief required as to who Christ is to inherit eternal life?


I have asked Bowman to respond to the above three trimes, but he hasn't. Is there anyone else who would like to?
You have already been answered many times.

Refusing to accept our reply does not constitute failure to reply...
 
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You have already been answered many times.

Refusing to accept our reply does not constitute failure to reply...
For someone who has read much of 'experts' I must say it doesn't seem to have done you much good does it
 
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Still waiting for your rebuttal to John 17.3.

When can we expect it...?
You cannot answer anything can you.

We know from John 17:3 that eternal life is knowing the Father, the only true God and Jesus Christ who he sent.
We also know from John that no one has seen God at anytime

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true(the Father), and we are in him that is true(the Father), even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God(the Father again), and eternal life(through his Son)

Who does John tell us who we must believe Christ to be to have life(eternal life)

But these are written that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life(eternal life) in his name
John 20:31

Thats consistent with what is continuously required belief unto eternal life

Now lets see if you can answer this or not



Why did neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John plainly and clearly state that a person must believe Christ is God Himself unto salvation?

Did the Apostles not have the spiritual insight you and others do today?
Or did they fail woefully in their Christian duty by not informing people very plainly as to the belief required as to who Christ is to inherit eternal life?


HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU WANT ME TO POST IT BOWMAN?
 
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Perhaps you would like to respond to the folowing Abiding as Bowman seems reluctant to



Why did neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John plainly and clearly state that a person must believe Christ is God Himself unto salvation?

Did the Apostles not have the spiritual insight you and others do today?
Or did they fail woefully in their Christian duty by not informing people very plainly as to the belief required as to who Christ is to inherit eternal life?
 
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Jesus is the God-man.

What part could be begotten?

God-man . . . Is that like in Greek mythology where people thought the gods came down to earth as men? Like when Paul and Barnabas healed the cripple and the people said: The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius because he was the chief speaker. Makes me think of the movie - The Immortals. . . .
Uni's using Trinitarian rendered scriptures for their position would be like Trinitarians using uni-scripture for their position!

One.You, however, have at least TWO.

I also serve ONE.
Uni's using Trinitarian rendered scriptures for their position would be like Trinitarians using uni-scripture for their position

Never happen!

And yet....uni's are not quite bright enough to catch this simple fact.

Now I am not bright. . .Okay . .

I do not see the scripture as Trinitarian nor Unitarian or any rian or ism but as it is in truth, the written word of God.

Nope.

It is Trinitarian.

Okay.

What does the original Hebrew say?

That's right....you don't know...nor can you bring yourself to look...


Some did...those where the remnant that God chose to carry on...

Moses was Trinitarian.

ONE [echad - 1) one (number); a) one (number) b) each,every c) a certain d)an (indefinite article) e) only, once, once for all f) one. . .another, the one. . .the other, one after another, one by one g) first h) eleven (in combination), eleventh (ordinal)]

In what way?

Theologically?

Nope.
He also believed in ONE God and that ONE God is his Father.
 
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For someone who has read much of 'experts' I must say it doesn't seem to have done you much good does it
Since you have only brought forth Trinitarain rendered scriptures for your non-Trinitarian postion, what exactly is the merit of this assertion..?

That's what I thought...
 
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Still waiting for your rebuttal to John 17.3.

When can we expect it...?
Oh you want John 17:3 I misread it, sorry.

Rebuttal of what?

Jesus said there is only one true God, the Father
What is there to rebut?
 
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Since you have only brought forth Trinitarain rendered scriptures for your non-Trinitarian postion, what exactly is the merit of this assertion..?

That's what I thought...
So that is the only reply you can give is it, who are these 'experts' you are learning from?
 
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You cannot answer anything can you.

How would you know?



We know from John 17:3 that eternal life is knowing the Father, the only true God and Jesus Christ who he sent.


Scripturally prove it.



We also know from John that no one has seen God at anytime
Scripturally prove it.



And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true(the Father), and we are in him that is true(the Father), even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God(the Father again), and eternal life(through his Son)

Scripturally prove it.




Who does John tell us who we must believe Christ to be to have life(eternal life)
Scripturally prove it.






But these are written that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life(eternal life) in his name
John 20:31



The Trinity shares the same name.

Study up!
 
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How would you know?







Scripturally prove it.





Scripturally prove it.






Scripturally prove it.






Scripturally prove it.








[/B]The Trinity shares the same name.

Study up!
I'm outta here.
 
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yet we are half our father and half our mother.

Jesus' Father = God
Jesus' mother = Mary

Jesus' nature = half God + half human.

Indeed the WORD took flesh upon Himself to be made like His brethren. Does the part of taking flesh upon Himself make Him any less the WORD? The same WORD we are told was there before creation. The same WORD which is said to have created all things and upholds ALL THINGS BY HIS OWN POWER. The same WORD who is called God by the Father.
 
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Re: Wake up...

The Holy Bible is all about the Triune God.

The only way that you could have missed this is if you obtained your theology at a drive-through window...along with some chicken mc-nuggets...
Okay.
Tell us now.
God is the Father, God is the Son, God is the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the Son nor is the Son the Father. The Father is not the Holy Spirit nor is the Son the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son.
How is it that the OT prophets saw God face-to-face and lived to write about it?
And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. . . .And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

Well, God said no one could see his face and live. . . .you want to add or take away from that simple statement that is your choice.


All judgement has been given to the Son.

Only God has the power to judge.

Thus, if Jesus is your Savior, then you are being saved from HIS wrath because He is God.

Thanks for this admission...
God has the power to judge but apparently he committed all judgment to the Son [John 5:22]
I have never seen the "wrath of Jesus" in scripture but I have seen the "wrath of God".
Admission. . . Admission of what?
 
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God-man . . . Is that like in Greek mythology where people thought the gods came down to earth as men? Like when Paul and Barnabas healed the cripple and the people said: The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius because he was the chief speaker. Makes me think of the movie - The Immortals. . . .




Now...why would they ever have thought that God would come in the form of man? Unless, of course, He already HAD many times BEFORE!

Also, Paul thoroughly rebuked them from worshiping him.

Jesus allowed worship of Himself.

See the difference?

Study up...!



I do not see the scripture as Trinitarian nor Unitarian or any rian or ism but as it is in truth, the written word of God.


I have some ocean front property in Iowa that I would like to sell you too...I mean, after all, ocean-front property is all the same, right?



 
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But, of course....
Since you have only brought forth Trinitarain rendered scriptures for your non-Trinitarian postion, what exactly is the merit of this assertion..?

That's what I thought...

How would you know?







Scripturally prove it.





Scripturally prove it.






Scripturally prove it.






Scripturally prove it.








[/B]The Trinity shares the same name.

Study up!




After the above
But of course
 

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Bowman again.

not that i'm taking sides, mind you.
i think everyone should just believe whatever they want to.
head knowledge is not good for unity in the body, Bowman:)





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