The truth about tongues: a DIVISIVE force in Christianity today

[lenna]

Uh yes lol. Stairway to heaven is written in an unknown tongue. It’s the language of symbolism.

And yes, the Bible is written in the exact same unknown tongue.

The letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. The spirit is the unknown tongue.

Oh I'm familiar with the song well enough as most probably are, it being a classic and all.

However, if that is your idea of an 'unknown tongue', I gotta ask 'what yah smokin?' don't take offence, I'm joking, but I have never come across this explanation before and it's interesting and very informative. Apparently, you have verses in your Bible that others do not have.

 

[notuptome]

Because tongues is not prophecy. We are to covet to prophecy, and not forbid speaking in tongues, like you continually do.

You completely ignore the context of that statement. Paul is saying do not forbid someone of a different language to speak. Paul is not advocating an open acceptance of anything that makes noise as tongues in the Holy Spirit.

Your false piety is obnoxious.

Childish judgmental statement given by you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

Tongues is never called "the word of God called prophecy."

Never say never unless you have truth to back it up.

have you even looked at the founadtion of the law of tongues found in Isaiah 28 revisited below? The law clearly says differently.


1 Corinthians 14;21 22 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues (languages not other lying wonders) . and other lips (other than Hebrew) will I speak unto this people; (Faithless people who do not believe prophecy the word of God in any tongue/language) and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues ( prophecy spoken in any language ) are for a sign, not to them that believe, (prophecy) but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. (prophecy)

Paraphrased below to represent those who seek after "wonderments, marveling" (I did it) . . .and not prophecy God's tongue

In the law it is written, With men of other unknown tongues and other unknown lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, to them that believe, but not to them that believe not : but tongues serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

 

[notuptome]

What is a biblical Christian? It seems you suggest a biblical Christian is one who believes just like you

A Christian is one who follows Christ. The Bible is a book and while the foundation of what a Christian believes, it is not meant to be a stagnant platform from which certain people preach at others, bellowing at them that they are demonic or what have you (as so many cessationists are want to do, such as the double minded MacArthur of 'strange fire' fame)

So it becomes obvious that in your mind, not in truth but in your mind, you do not believe those who speak in tongues are Christians.

That, should be noted, understood and most definitely kept in mind as people respond to you, should they decide to do so.

I have nothing else to say to you so as your posts are opinionated and not really based on scripture, but rather your personal opinion, or possibly the opinion of your pastor or whatever, but you don't have the respect for others here that would indicate you actually give two hoots.

A biblical Christian is one who knows the bible was given to and for believers to know God. If your opinion does not agree with the bible you should reconsider your opinion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Washed]

You completely ignore the context of that statement. Paul is saying do not forbid someone of a different language to speak.

The context is the manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Paul is talking about the manifestation of speaking in tongues, which you think has ceased, or is fake.

Paul is not advocating an open acceptance of anything that makes noise as tongues in the Holy Spirit.

Paul said by revelation that he would like all Christians to speak in tongues.

Childish judgmental statement given by you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Your false piety is obnoxious.

 

[Washed]

A biblical Christian is one who knows the bible was given to and for believers to know God. If your opinion does not agree with the bible you should reconsider your opinion.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[notuptome]

The context is the manifestations of the gift of the Holy Spirit. Paul is talking about the manifestation of speaking in tongues, which you think has ceased, or is fake.

Scripture says they will cease. 1 Cor 13:8 It's not me but scripture.

Paul said by revelation that he would like all Christians to speak in tongues.

Tongues which you have yet to define. Ecstatic utterances of languages?

Your false piety is obnoxious.

It is hard to argue against Gods word. Are you certain it's not just a contradiction of your personal sense of piety that is offended?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Physician, heal thyself.

More of your deep theology revealed? Childish emotional response lacking any scriptural support.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Funkus]

this whole argument is nothing more than splitting hairs, there is nothing substantive to any of the differences, it's just the talk of men

 

[Washed]

Never say never unless you have truth to back it up.

I do. You do not.

have you even looked at the founadtion of the law of tongues found in Isaiah 28 revisited below? The law clearly says differently.

Isaiah 28 is not "the foundation of the law of tongues".

1 Corinthians 14;21 22 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues (languages not other lying wonders) . and other lips (other than Hebrew) will I speak unto this people; (Faithless people who do not believe prophecy the word of God in any tongue/language) and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues ( prophecy spoken in any language ) are for a sign, not to them that believe, (prophecy) but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. (prophecy)

Paraphrased below to represent those who seek after "wonderments, marveling" (I did it) . . .and not prophecy God's tongue

In the law it is written, With men of other unknown tongues and other unknown lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, to them that believe, but not to them that believe not : but tongues serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

The point was that if Israel did not repent, God would withdraw from them, and they would be conquered by people whose language they did not understand.

You mock speaking in tongues just like some of the Jews did on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:13). Tongues are a sign. You mock.

 

[garee]

Oh I'm familiar with the song well enough as most probably are, it being a classic and all.

However, if that is your idea of an 'unknown tongue', I gotta ask 'what yah smokin?' don't take offence, I'm joking, but I have never come across this explanation before and it's interesting and very informative. Apparently, you have verses in your Bible that others do not have.

The unknow language are parables, the eternal not seen gospel understanding hid from natural man . like in the song Stairway to heaven we can understand the meaning. But no such as prophesying the unknown. How could that move us to walk by faith? The kind that comes from hearing what the gospel says . Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith .

 

[Washed]

Scripture says they will cease. 1 Cor 13:8 It's not me but scripture.

Correct. Tongues will cease when "the completeness" comes. The return of Christ.

Tongues which you have yet to define. Ecstatic utterances of languages?

Speaking in tongues is speaking a language you do not know as inspired by the gift of the Holy Spirit.

It is hard to argue against Gods word.

Which you continually do.

Are you certain it's not just a contradiction of your personal sense of piety that is offended?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I am positive.

 

[Washed]

The unknow language are parables, the eternal not seen gospel understanding hid from natural man . like in the song Stairway to heaven we can understand the meaning. But no such as prophesying the unknown. How could that move us to walk by faith? The kind that comes from hearing what the gospel says . Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith .

Stop making things up, garee. There is no verse in the Bible that says what you believe.

 

[lenna]

The unknow language are parables, the eternal not seen gospel understanding hid from natural man . like in the song Stairway to heaven we can understand the meaning. But no such as prophesying the unknown. How could that move us to walk by faith? The kind that comes from hearing what the gospel says . Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith .

This is gobbledegook. Without meaning to insult you, is English your first language? Your post does not make sense in the language in which it was written. Did you do a translate on google translate?

Sorry, I do not mean to insult you, but that is how it appears.

 

[Washed]

This is gobbledegook. Without meaning to insult you, is English your first language? Your post does not make sense in the language in which it was written. Did you do a translate on google translate?

Sorry, I do not mean to insult you, but that is how it appears.

Read almost any of garee's posts. They are all that way.

I have no doubt of his faith in God, but his posts are for the most part incomprehensible.

 

[garee]

this whole argument is nothing more than splitting hairs, there is nothing substantive to any of the differences, it's just the talk of men

Splitting the judgement authority of God making it to no effect. a little more than splitting hairs. More like splitting believers form those who seek after sign and lying wonders

By it as a warning to not to mock the spirit of judgment falling backwards by the poison of false doctrine. In regard to them that refuses to hear prophecy in any language/tongue.

An example of faithlessness below . They fall backward slain in the spirit .Why mock the spirit of judgment? Its what Catholiscim follows after. The queen of heaven

Jeremiah 44:16-18 King James Version (KJV) As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Consumed by the sword and by the famine. . the spirit of judgment.

 

[notuptome]

Correct. Tongues will cease when "the completeness" comes. The return of Christ.

Well that's one possible answer but it does not really fit the expectation created in the verse. For the perfect to be Christ it would say comes again not comes. Scripture is what best fits the expectation of what was written in 1 Cor 13. Complete scripture so man is fully equipped to serve the Lord.

Speaking in tongues is speaking a language you do not know as inspired by the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Is it a known human language or something else? Is it then incumbent on the hearer to know the language?

Which you continually do.

That is self serving and of no merit in a real discussion of Gods word

I am positive.

Wrong but positive. How do you grow in the admonition and nurture of the Lord?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[garee]

This is gobbledegook. Without meaning to insult you, is English your first language? Your post does not make sense in the language in which it was written. Did you do a translate on google translate?

Sorry, I do not mean to insult you, but that is how it appears.

Sorry without parables Christ spoke not. Not without wonderments he spoke not.

 

[Dino246]

Parables are designed to teach us how to walk by faith .

No, they are not. They are designed to hide the truth from those without faith. The plain text of Scripture teaches us how to walk by faith.

 

[KJV1611]

Oh I'm familiar with the song well enough as most probably are, it being a classic and all.

However, if that is your idea of an 'unknown tongue', I gotta ask 'what yah smokin?' don't take offence, I'm joking, but I have never come across this explanation before and it's interesting and very informative. Apparently, you have verses in your Bible that others do not have.

No offense taken. 😊

If stairway to heaven is written in a known tongue. What is a spring clean for the may queen?

Do you see my point? There is an occult message HIDDEN in those words. When you hear those words, it sounds like the speech of a bumbling idiot, but to those “in the know”, it is crystal clear what message is being delivered.

What tongue is the HIDDEN MESSAGE written in? It’s not English because most people have no idea what a spring clean for the may queen is... it’s as if the writer of the song is a barbarian, a fool, a lunatic.