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Amen.,
in John 1 it tells how Jesus was already in existence with God., 1:1 Word.,Greek logos) means word, thought, concept, and the expressions thereof. In the OT the concept conveyed activity and revelation, and the word or wisdom of God is often personified. Ps.33:6 Prov.8 To the Greek mind it expressed the ideas of reason and creative control. Revelation is the keynote idea in the logos concept. Here it is applied to Jesus, who is all that God is and the expression of Him. (Bible study notes NASB)
Col.2:3 1 Cor. 1:30 But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification and redemption.
There is more to Jesus than we first knew. We are learning more and more about Him each day. What is righteousness, sanctification, and redemption for that matter? more than when we first heard.
Decided to post this on a new thread. The Bible says in John 8:32
"and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free" It's in "red" so Jesus said it...
but actually Jesus said the whole Bible not just what is in red btw.
I've also heard this explanation in helping to understand "how" the truth sets us free.., it's what we believe about the truth that sets us free. The Bible is there for us to read and to learn from the HolySpirit even more about Jesus., but we believe certain parts of the Bible and Jesus the way we were taught and many of us go no further our whole lives. It worked for Grandpa and Grandma and dad and mom and our family and we have been blessed in so many ways... but...
How come when Jesus went back to His hometown, He could not do many mighty works there??? Matt. 13:55-56 ???? I've often thought how come some Christians see God's hand in their lives in amazing ways and walk so close to Jesus that when they pray, God seems to hear them more than He seems to hear me?. If God's Word says He is not a respecter of persons, can I also have a Christian life like that??
So that was the challenge that was put to me and I think many of us Christians who are wanting to live a Spirit filled life with Him. Can it be so simple as faith? Is it like when Peter walked on water? When he kept his eyes on Jesus he was able to actually walk on water. But when he started looking around at the natural water and realized that he was really on the water and defying the laws of nature that was when he sunk.. Is it that simple?? I think it is that simple and we make it hard.
Reading this mornings email devotional prompted this thread. Are we so dead set in our ways of reading the Bible and so deep in our limited views of the Word of God that we don't dare go deeper and think of the possibilities? Sort of like the Amish who are truly blessed in their lives but go no further? Do they call our gospel a prosperity gospel? How often I've heard the phrase "health and wealth prosperity gospel" when in reality for me and many other Christians it's about trusting God at His Word and daring to step out and try Him.
Why did Jesus not do mighty works in his hometown of Nazareth? If we don't believe He can and will do these things., than He won't. That is not 'name it claim it' in the way that is debunked in some of the Christian world.., What that is? It's taking God at His word like people of faith are called to do.
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]Do you know that how you see Jesus determines what you receive from Him? If you see Jesus as your healer, you will receive healing. If you see Jesus as your refuge and fortress, you will receive protection.
The people of Nazareth, Jesus’ hometown, saw Jesus in the natural. They said of Him, “Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us?” (Matthew 13:55–56) They saw Jesus in the natural. They did not see Him as God in the flesh. As a result, He could not do many mighty works there. (Matthew 13:58)
Today, many people, including some philosophers, see Jesus of Nazareth as a good person who led an exemplary life. They feel that if all of us could live our lives like Him, the world would be a better place.
They don’t see Jesus as the bread of God who came from heaven to give life to the world. (John 6:33) They don’t see Him as the one who came to give them living water, so that they would never thirst again. (John 4:14) They don’t see Him as the Lamb of God, who took away the sin of the world. (John 1:29) They don’t receive from Him what they need because they don’t esteem Him rightly.
Jesus did not come just to set a good example for man to follow. He came to be our Redeemer. (Galatians 3:13) He came to be our righteousness. (1 Corinthians 1:30) He came to be our shepherd, so that we will not lack anything. (Psalm 23:1)
Jesus asked His disciples once, “But who do you say that I am?” How you answer this question depends on how you see Jesus. And how you see Jesus will determine how and what you receive from Him. So see Him as your God, as everything He claims to be in His Word, and He will do mighty works in your life
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"and you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free" It's in "red" so Jesus said it...
but actually Jesus said the whole Bible not just what is in red btw.I've also heard this explanation in helping to understand "how" the truth sets us free.., it's what we believe about the truth that sets us free. The Bible is there for us to read and to learn from the HolySpirit even more about Jesus., but we believe certain parts of the Bible and Jesus the way we were taught and many of us go no further our whole lives. It worked for Grandpa and Grandma and dad and mom and our family and we have been blessed in so many ways... but...
How come when Jesus went back to His hometown, He could not do many mighty works there??? Matt. 13:55-56 ???? I've often thought how come some Christians see God's hand in their lives in amazing ways and walk so close to Jesus that when they pray, God seems to hear them more than He seems to hear me?. If God's Word says He is not a respecter of persons, can I also have a Christian life like that??
So that was the challenge that was put to me and I think many of us Christians who are wanting to live a Spirit filled life with Him. Can it be so simple as faith? Is it like when Peter walked on water? When he kept his eyes on Jesus he was able to actually walk on water. But when he started looking around at the natural water and realized that he was really on the water and defying the laws of nature that was when he sunk.. Is it that simple?? I think it is that simple and we make it hard.
Reading this mornings email devotional prompted this thread. Are we so dead set in our ways of reading the Bible and so deep in our limited views of the Word of God that we don't dare go deeper and think of the possibilities? Sort of like the Amish who are truly blessed in their lives but go no further? Do they call our gospel a prosperity gospel? How often I've heard the phrase "health and wealth prosperity gospel" when in reality for me and many other Christians it's about trusting God at His Word and daring to step out and try Him.
Why did Jesus not do mighty works in his hometown of Nazareth? If we don't believe He can and will do these things., than He won't. That is not 'name it claim it' in the way that is debunked in some of the Christian world.., What that is? It's taking God at His word like people of faith are called to do.
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[TD="colspan: 3, align: left"]Do you know that how you see Jesus determines what you receive from Him? If you see Jesus as your healer, you will receive healing. If you see Jesus as your refuge and fortress, you will receive protection.
The people of Nazareth, Jesus’ hometown, saw Jesus in the natural. They said of Him, “Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And His sisters, are they not all with us?” (Matthew 13:55–56) They saw Jesus in the natural. They did not see Him as God in the flesh. As a result, He could not do many mighty works there. (Matthew 13:58)
Today, many people, including some philosophers, see Jesus of Nazareth as a good person who led an exemplary life. They feel that if all of us could live our lives like Him, the world would be a better place.
They don’t see Jesus as the bread of God who came from heaven to give life to the world. (John 6:33) They don’t see Him as the one who came to give them living water, so that they would never thirst again. (John 4:14) They don’t see Him as the Lamb of God, who took away the sin of the world. (John 1:29) They don’t receive from Him what they need because they don’t esteem Him rightly.
Jesus did not come just to set a good example for man to follow. He came to be our Redeemer. (Galatians 3:13) He came to be our righteousness. (1 Corinthians 1:30) He came to be our shepherd, so that we will not lack anything. (Psalm 23:1)
Jesus asked His disciples once, “But who do you say that I am?” How you answer this question depends on how you see Jesus. And how you see Jesus will determine how and what you receive from Him. So see Him as your God, as everything He claims to be in His Word, and He will do mighty works in your life
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While I can agree to disagree with you on the eternal hell thing
since I can't get away from the verses that talk about where the worm dieth not, eternal death... rich man lifting his eyes in torments while Lazarus was comforted in Abraham's bosom....And also my being made aware of how our souls are eternal and how we are made in the image and likeness of God in so many ways I don't understand...etc... But the other things you said I give a hearty AMEN to Sister!!!!!
While I can agree to disagree with you on the eternal hell thing since I can't get away from the verses that talk about where the worm dieth not, eternal death... rich man lifting his eyes in torments while Lazarus was comforted in Abraham's bosom....And also my being made aware of how our souls are eternal and how we are made in the image and likeness of God in so many ways I don't understand...etc...
But the other things you said I give a hearty AMEN to Sister!!!!!
since I can't get away from the verses that talk about where the worm dieth not, eternal death... rich man lifting his eyes in torments while Lazarus was comforted in Abraham's bosom....And also my being made aware of how our souls are eternal and how we are made in the image and likeness of God in so many ways I don't understand...etc... But the other things you said I give a hearty AMEN to Sister!!!!!
Yes, after the second death, death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, although death itself is to be thrown into the lake of fire following that. Don't forget that the Tree of Life was freely made available to A&E in the garden but they chose the forbidden tree instead, after which the Tree of Life was barred from them so they could not eat from it and live forever in their sinful state. Scripture nowhere states that we are given an immortal soul, only that the wages of sin is death (many many places in a multitude of ways in both Testaments) and that those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life. Here is a page you can read more about it if you are interested. Truly, I hope you do. I am not a Christadelphian, though, for as far as I know, they reject the deity of Jesus. I have to go for now, Lynn... be blessed!
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Even though we may not have met them, there are many Christians who have done the works that Jesus did and even some greater things. (not sure how that is possible but Jesus knows)
But just because I have not personally met them doesn't mean they are not out there doing the works of Christ. Not to mention how since I don't have insight into the hearts of other believers they could be right here on my street or even here on CC!!!
I've read books and heard about believers who have prayed and been healed or were able to pray in healing for others. And, since the Bible says God is not a respecter of persons, and because the Bible says we have the HolySpirit and the promises of the Bible that are page after page after page, I'm coming to find out that the only limits here are the ones I can't get passed.
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You are generous, Lynn Yes, after the second death, death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, although death itself is to be thrown into the lake of fire following that. Don't forget that the Tree of Life was freely made available to A&E in the garden but they chose the forbidden tree instead, after which the Tree of Life was barred from them so they could not eat from it and live forever in their sinful state. Scripture nowhere states that we are given an immortal soul, only that the wages of sin is death (many many places in a multitude of ways in both Testaments) and that those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life. Here is a page you can read more about it if you are interested. Truly, I hope you do. I am not a Christadelphian, though, for as far as I know, they reject the deity of Jesus. I have to go for now, Lynn... be blessed!
Yes, after the second death, death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, although death itself is to be thrown into the lake of fire following that. Don't forget that the Tree of Life was freely made available to A&E in the garden but they chose the forbidden tree instead, after which the Tree of Life was barred from them so they could not eat from it and live forever in their sinful state. Scripture nowhere states that we are given an immortal soul, only that the wages of sin is death (many many places in a multitude of ways in both Testaments) and that those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life. Here is a page you can read more about it if you are interested. Truly, I hope you do. I am not a Christadelphian, though, for as far as I know, they reject the deity of Jesus. I have to go for now, Lynn... be blessed!
Jesus Christ alone paid the penalty of sin. That is over. We now pay the penalty of rejecting eternal life in the one who paid for our sins.
Death is thrown into the LoF. Not Good for a soul that wants to go "Poof."
Lol my meaning here is to add that the resurrection of Jesus is truth as well.
Though now that I think of it Truth can be moreso the Truth by the manifestation of the Truth. For consider, Jesus be the truth by default. So Jesus resurrected proves that he is the truth and also it shows the Father loves him and proves that Jesus loves you and me and everybody.
Though now that I think of it Truth can be moreso the Truth by the manifestation of the Truth. For consider, Jesus be the truth by default. So Jesus resurrected proves that he is the truth and also it shows the Father loves him and proves that Jesus loves you and me and everybody.
Yes, I said that (death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, and: those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life.)
Yes, I said that (death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, and: those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life.)
I said that, too...
They have died the second death by then. Then death itself is put away. Only those with eternal life are left Gotta go for realz now... bye!
(death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, and: those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life.)Yes, I said that
(death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, and: those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life.)I said that, too...
They have died the second death by then. Then death itself is put away. Only those with eternal life are left
Gotta go for realz now... bye!
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You are generous, Lynn Yes, after the second death, death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, although death itself is to be thrown into the lake of fire following that. Don't forget that the Tree of Life was freely made available to A&E in the garden but they chose the forbidden tree instead, after which the Tree of Life was barred from them so they could not eat from it and live forever in their sinful state. Scripture nowhere states that we are given an immortal soul, only that the wages of sin is death (many many places in a multitude of ways in both Testaments) and that those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life. Here is a page you can read more about it if you are interested. Truly, I hope you do. I am not a Christadelphian, though, for as far as I know, they reject the deity of Jesus. I have to go for now, Lynn... be blessed!
Yes, after the second death, death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, although death itself is to be thrown into the lake of fire following that. Don't forget that the Tree of Life was freely made available to A&E in the garden but they chose the forbidden tree instead, after which the Tree of Life was barred from them so they could not eat from it and live forever in their sinful state. Scripture nowhere states that we are given an immortal soul, only that the wages of sin is death (many many places in a multitude of ways in both Testaments) and that those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life. Here is a page you can read more about it if you are interested. Truly, I hope you do. I am not a Christadelphian, though, for as far as I know, they reject the deity of Jesus. I have to go for now, Lynn... be blessed!
Thank you too Magenta for your generous spirit.
No flames coming from me to you sis.I will read your link. Hey, never heard of the word "Christadelphian" till you just posted it.
Willie-T has stated before that we all have the right to our own opinions., even if they differ from his that are correct (something like that)
I also heard someone say opinions are like noses., we all have them. We all have our interpretations but majoring on the majors is what is important. Blessings to you too sister Magenta!!
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Yes, I said that (death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, and: those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life.)
Yes, I said that (death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, and: those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life.)
I said that, too...
They have died the second death by then. Then death itself is put away. Only those with eternal life are left Gotta go for realz now... bye!
(death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, and: those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life.)Yes, I said that
(death is forever more a reality for those that die in their sin of disbelief, and: those who accept the freely offered gift of God gain eternal life.)I said that, too...
They have died the second death by then. Then death itself is put away. Only those with eternal life are left
Gotta go for realz now... bye!
