The unbeliever continued..

[Katy-follower]

The bible continually mentions 2 ways, one leading to life and the other leading to destruction...

Narrow road & broad road
Wheat & tares
Sheep & Goats


Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it"


Matthew 13:37-43
“He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"


Matthew 25:31-46
"..........And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world..................... Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"

 

[RickShafer]

There appears to be a disconnect.
All the scripture addressing overcomers is swathed(like a sudsy mop), to entail all who ever lived.
As if faith and original sin and myriads of other spirit truths are but fairy tales.
And Satan- Lucifer, is a wives tale embodiment of 'mans' inhumanity to man'.
I tire of this sophistry!
What a way to try to save yourself by your own works while denying the power of God.
'I'll just love everyone else.....without a thought for myself.'
How much like the eastern religions this gospel resembles.
Soon enough they find they can't 'love everyone else as themselves' so they hide away.
And find perfect 'christ consciousness' in isolation.
Where instead if christ it turns out the only one they loved was themselves.

 

[angelofmercy]

'All those who are physically dead now belong to Christ'

All of scripture and common sense flatly rejects this statement.
Do you think because you say something it is so?
How does one glean all who ever lived are reunited with God by reading scripture?
My friend, you have a different gospel.

My gospel is indeed different than yours. And what I proclaim will one day day swallow yours in victory as well.

In the grave, does a dead man know sin? His spirit is then freed by law (because according to it we die) to marry another.

The REALITY of TRUE remission of sin comes by the shedding of blood (death)

ALL of the bible points to this having "ALL DIED IN FAITH".

The problem is that you and others must realize your own sin considering that as godly you may be or seem, YOU STILL DIE ALONG WITH THOSE YOU MAY SEE AS UNSAVED.

 

[angelofmercy]

There appears to be a disconnect.
All the scripture addressing overcomers is swathed(like a sudsy mop), to entail all who ever lived.
As if faith and original sin and myriads of other spirit truths are but fairy tales.
And Satan- Lucifer, is a wives tale embodiment of 'mans' inhumanity to man'.
I tire of this sophistry!
What a way to try to save yourself by your own works while denying the power of God.
'I'll just love everyone else.....without a thought for myself.'
How much like the eastern religions this gospel resembles.
Soon enough they find they can't 'love everyone else as themselves' so they hide away.
And find perfect 'christ consciousness' in isolation.
Where instead if christ it turns out the only one they loved was themselves.

How is the "POWER" of God made known? Now if you live righteously and in a godly manner, of whom are those that are justified by God, living UNGODLY?

 

[RickShafer]

How is the "POWER" of God made known? Now if you live righteously and in a godly manner, of whom are those that are justified by God, living UNGODLY?

What?
Did you say those that live in Godly manner are justified?
By their works?
Is that what you said?

 

[angelofmercy]

The bible continually mentions 2 ways, one leading to life and the other leading to destruction...

Narrow road & broad road
Wheat & tares
Sheep & Goats


Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it"


Matthew 13:37-43
“He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"

Matthew 25:31-46
"..........And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world..................... Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels"

Flesh and blood CANNOT enter! I present to you the goats. And do you also notice that whether by the narrow road are the broad path, BOTH end in the same destination?

 

[angelofmercy]

What?
Did you say those that live in Godly manner are justified?
By their works?
Is that what you said?

I said are the ungodly justified by God?

Considering you live righteously and do not belong to this group.

 

[RickShafer]

I said are the ungodly justified by God?

Considering you live righteously and do not belong to this group.

Who said I live righteously?
That was presumptuous on your part.
You can't get from works to faith can you?
No man is justified. Only the Son of God who lived a perfect life.
And those that trust in His finished work, He speaks as an advocate(lawyer) for.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not argue that all are not yet in Christ. But to be baptized into Christ is to be so unto His DEATH.

Those who aren't are those who haven't been killed yet. You must CRUCIFY THE OLD MAN, where old things pass away.

Yet Scripture says not all will do this. And since when is doing this going to save someone, We can;t crucify the old man of our old power. We must have the power of God to do this!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why twist the very same words you find in the bible?

All those who are physically dead now belong to Christ. Those that are alive and remain (you and me) are dead in trespassess (to be present in the body is to be absent from the Lord). But by the transforming of our minds knowing that I to the law, am dead to it, I don't live but it is Christ who lives through me. In this we are Christ's at His coming.

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,

How can you explain that Paul tells us we are ALIVE right now in Christ? Physical death is a result of sin, not the punishment, Spiritual death was the penalty of sin, thats why we are ALL DEAD to God. Even though alive in the flesh.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

All those who are physically dead now belong to Christ.

Is this so?

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[d] 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


Seems that those who are dead to Christ are judged accordingly. Because they are still condemned. Why?




John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


God is not going to just forgive people who reject him in this lifetime. To say otherwise is not to know God. Jesus died for all, but he is not going to force someone to recieve him.

 

[angelofmercy]

Yet Scripture says not all will do this. And since when is doing this going to save someone, We can;t crucify the old man of our old power. We must have the power of God to do this!

"WE CANT CRUCIFY THE OLD MAN OF OUR OLD POWER"

This is what gets me with most of you all. This is true but you do not believe it. Scripture says not all will do this. Why? Because God had not done it yet!

 

[angelofmercy]

Who said I live righteously?
That was presumptuous on your part.
You can't get from works to faith can you?
No man is justified. Only the Son of God who lived a perfect life.
And those that trust in His finished work, He speaks as an advocate(lawyer) for.

Was His flesh justified according to the law? And if you do not live righteously, then you ARE the ungodly, the uncircumcised and of the same people you claim are excluded from salvation.

 

[angelofmercy]

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

Ephesians 2:5
even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,

How can you explain that Paul tells us we are ALIVE right now in Christ? Physical death is a result of sin, not the punishment, Spiritual death was the penalty of sin, thats why we are ALL DEAD to God. Even though alive in the flesh.

For those who realize this, it is not I (you) who lives! But Christ who lives in me.

 

[RickShafer]

Was His flesh justified according to the law? And if you do not live righteously, then you ARE the ungodly, the uncircumcised and of the same people you claim are excluded from salvation.

Yes, Jesus fulfilled the law. (His flesh was justified).
I am constrained by God. I don't live 'ungodly', but I know I have sin.
See, you can't get past that pragmatist worldview.
The fact I have an abiding relationship with the perfect one is well past your way of thinking.
Not because of any works of righteousness I have done(though I try), It is all because of what He has accomplished. So I have a relationship with Him, and He is my Lord. (So He vouches for me, in the presence of the Father,-God of all). I don't claim exclusion of any man, I'm not their judge, but I see the works of sinful, willfully prideful people - (starting wars, pimping, selling drugs, using women, etc.) and I see the fruits of the lost souls in those activities. (Again, I'm not judging specific people, I am judging the actions as ones who are estranged from the God of Life.)
That there is a heaven and there is a hell is all over scripture. Many parables about goats and sheep, righteous and unrighteous servants, fruitful as opposed to barren vines, etc.
Hell is real, and it is the only place where God's Spirit is not. Therefore it is called outer darkness.
I don't believe these are metaphors, too much evil has transpired to say these are just warnings.
And all souls go to heaven. There is a heaven and there is a hell. There is a God and there is a deceiver.
There is an eternity to be spent somewhere. - God didn't want robots so He gave us a choice.
Would you want to be surrounded by beings that didn't love you? - That HAD to be there?

 

[angelofmercy]

Is this so?

11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[c] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.[d] 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.


Seems that those who are dead to Christ are judged accordingly. Because they are still condemned. Why?




John 3:18
“He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


God is not going to just forgive people who reject him in this lifetime. To say otherwise is not to know God. Jesus died for all, but he is not going to force someone to recieve him.

Judgement is used for CORRECTION. The books that are OPENED are us who are LIVING EPISTLES.

Now if the kingdom of God is WITHIN US, THEN SO IS HIS THRONE! What could this be but the GLORIOUS site of His people clothed with Christ.

I am not condemned because I believe. I am dead to all and all are dead to me. I don't care how much I don't like someone or don't approve of what they do, I KNOW, WE KNOW that the end of ALL these things is death! I might not have sinned after the similitude of what I don't approve of, but it is EVIDENT by my OWN appointment with death that by using that same reasoning to condemn another for what I DO NOT ALLOW; I then stand condemned BY THAT VERY SAME REASONING.

If he dies for what he did, what did I do to deserve the same? So because ALL DIE, I only judge this. That if ONE man died for all, then ALL WERE DEAD!

Now for those that do not believe (the truth being that God has concluded all in disbelief), they are indeed condemned ALREADY. And what IS that condemnation?

John 3:19-21

19*And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20*For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21*But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

"WE CANT CRUCIFY THE OLD MAN OF OUR OLD POWER"

This is what gets me with most of you all. This is true but you do not believe it. Scripture says not all will do this. Why? Because God had not done it yet!

God never promised to do it to everyone, He only promised to do it to those who wanted it. He is not going to force his will on anyone.

What gets me about you is you think God is going to save someone who spent his whole life rejecting God and his salvation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For those who realize this, it is not I (you) who lives! But Christ who lives in me.

Yeah, And he said he will only live in thom who have faith in him and his word. He never claimed he would live in those who are dead to him because they do nto believe in him or reject him. Thats your gospel which says that.

 

[angelofmercy]

Yes, Jesus fulfilled the law. (His flesh was justified).
I am constrained by God. I don't live 'ungodly', but I know I have sin.
See, you can't get past that pragmatist worldview.
The fact I have an abiding relationship with the perfect one is well past your way of thinking.
Not because of any works of righteousness I have done(though I try), It is all because of what He has accomplished. So I have a relationship with Him, and He is my Lord. (So He vouches for me, in the presence of the Father,-God of all). I don't claim exclusion of any man, I'm not their judge, but I see the works of sinful, willfully prideful people - (starting wars, pimping, selling drugs, using women, etc.) and I see the fruits of the lost souls in those activities. (Again, I'm not judging specific people, I am judging the actions as ones who are estranged from the God of Life.)
That there is a heaven and there is a hell is all over scripture. Many parables about goats and sheep, righteous and unrighteous servants, fruitful as opposed to barren vines, etc.
Hell is real, and it is the only place where God's Spirit is not. Therefore it is called outer darkness.
I don't believe these are metaphors, too much evil has transpired to say these are just warnings.
And all souls go to heaven. There is a heaven and there is a hell. There is a God and there is a deceiver.
There is an eternity to be spent somewhere. - God didn't want robots so He gave us a choice.
Would you want to be surrounded by beings that didn't love you? - That HAD to be there?

Beloved please read FOR YOURSELF! What I hold and will proclaim does not need you to believe it. And if I seem a fool to exalt you then so be it. But atleast READ you own bible. Stop believing in what men teach according to traditions of what the people passed down who died before them.

There is NO PLACE upon which we can HIDE or go! No bed upon which we choose to lay. No hell upon which we choose to go that our LORD is not there!

Deuteronomy 32:21-22

21*They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

22*For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.



Psalms 86:12-13

12*I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore.

13*For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.

 

[angelofmercy]

God never promised to do it to everyone, He only promised to do it to those who wanted it. He is not going to force his will on anyone.

What gets me about you is you think God is going to save someone who spent his whole life rejecting God and his salvation.

That's the whole point beloved! You can understand this by looking at animals! What is the purpose of a catfish? It's a SCAVENGER that helps to NATURALLY clean the bottom of the lakes. Some men are like catfish or UNCLEAN which should not be eaten, BUT THEY SERVE A PURPOSE.

Clean vessels display God's mercy. Unclean vessels display God's POWER! Both made from the same holy lump! So in this life we lnow no man according to the flesh.