The white Jesus

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Whatever Jesus was in the flesh, He is no longer...

Ephesians 2:15 (NASB) by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

2 Corinthians 5:16 (KJV) Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
 
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You are like a kid in the playground. Teasing the other kid until they cry, just so you can laugh. Grow up.
They are wokeity-woke-woke. They won’t listen to reason. They won’t have the stats presented before them. I’ve given stats to support my claim. The other side has presented zero stats at all. I beg you to avail yourself of the info given to inform yourself. We’re not your enemies. Whenever a person is murdered, they need punished to the fullest extent of the law. But when ppl assault police officers? There‘s an old saying, “mess with the bull, get the horn”.
 
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They are wokeity-woke-woke. They won’t listen to reason. They won’t have the stats presented before them. I’ve given stats to support my claim. The other side has presented zero stats at all. I beg you to avail yourself of the info given to inform yourself. We’re not your enemies. Whenever a person is murdered, they need punished to the fullest extent of the law. But when ppl assault police officers? There‘s an old saying, “mess with the bull, get the horn”.
First thing they (BLM, CRT & Leftist ideologues) want to know so they can make a just judgment? "What color was they?"
 
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Jesus is depicted as a white man and that poses a challenge when trying to present the Jewish Jesus.
So how does one present a case against someone who has been disturbed by the misrepresentation of Jesus?

I tried uploading a video but the extension is not allowed.

The following are the words of a Bishop residing in South Africa:


"The day I will see a white man dying for a black man, then I will believe in the white Jesus dying for black people. As far as am concerned, the black man is still hanging on the cross, surrounded by the two thieves on the left and on the right. These are the Europeans and the Chinese who are busy crucifying Africa on the same cross. We cannot even talk about the death of Jesus, let's talk about the dying of Africa constantly. Let's not create Theology of poverty and misery and glorify the death of Jesus when our brothers and sisters are still dying. The death of Christ, is a symbolic death, the death of truth, the death of the poor, the death of the marginalized, the death of the children of the soil and if religion is used to pacify that, then that is the doctrine of demons. For he came to set the captives free and until Africa is free, there is no Jesus who has died on the cross. We are still dying to date. It cannot take one man to save the world yet we have 20 million Africans who died in the sea during slave trade. Is these God not tired of drinking blood, how much more blood does he need. Can you look at Congo, give me the 15 million that died plus the 25,35 million. Calculate all the wars that has been fought in Africa, how many more millions. Your telling me all this blood that has been spilled is worth northing except the blood of one man who hang on the cross. Theology must not be used to create a sympathy for the white man. Theology must be used to evoke the African to start thinking. Have we come down from the cross yet or the Romans, they have not changed, they are still Europeans, they are still nailing our hands, the chastising of our work, putting on crowns of thorns on our heads, managing our minds and what we think. Piercing our sides,poking our reserves of food and etc. Nailing our feet, passports we cannot travel without this and that. Can you tell me that Jesus died on the cross?The day I see a black man free, I will start talking about Jesus who died for the sins of the world.He could not have died for a black man and the white man who believes in him did the crimes that he did".

He is very persuasive and have caught the attention of many people. his words reminds me of the Jewish people who rejected Jesus with the expectation of being delivered from the Roman oppression.

I am a black woman who believes that Jesus died on the cross to save humanity from it's sinful state. but how can I convince a black person holding on to the image of Jesus being depicted as a white man?

Let us kindly engage in a manner that will bring glory to God.
The Bible doesn't say what Jesus's skin pigmentation happened to be. We can make inferences, assumptions, and project an idea but that isn't the same as knowing is it?

In my view it doesn't really matter what his skin color was. Without empirical evidence there really isn't a case to be made. Had the Bible been explicit about skin color, we would probably see a more harmonious depiction of Jesus in art across cultures. We don't see such a thing; We see people making an idealized Jesus based off of what people can relate to.
 

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Whatever Jesus was in the flesh, He is no longer...

Ephesians 2:15 (NASB) by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

2 Corinthians 5:16 (KJV) Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus :)

1 Timothy 2:5
 
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The Bishop is an anti-Christ, no doubt about that. I think we should try changing the image of Jesus to that of a Jewish descent. It's something that can be changed and we can always take it back if it doesn't bring any change.

We experiment on many things and try to see if they will solve a problem. What's stopping us from experimenting on these one ?

I just have compassion on those who will not be convincted by preaching the word of God.

Some people were moved by the character of some Christians, hence they got saved.
You say this because you don't believe in the power of the Gospel, you need something else.
 

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There is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus :)

1 Timothy 2:5
Right, as mediator He is man; as the eternal Son, He is God. Hence the God/man.
 

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Jesus' race was Arab. Palestinian. I mean He was literally in the Roman province of Palestina. Which doesn't sit well with many Christians; 'cause they're terrorists, you know.....

Although the argument that at least 50% of Jesus' blood was divine and thus had no race in the traditional sense does have merit.
 

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Jesus' race was Arab. Palestinian. I mean He was literally in the Roman province of Palestina. Which doesn't sit well with many Christians; 'cause they're terrorists, you know.....

Although the argument that at least 50% of Jesus' blood was divine and thus had no race in the traditional sense does have merit.
Arabs came from Ishmael's line, NOT Isaac's.

Ishmael was Abraham's son by Hagar, whereas Isaac was the son of promise through Sarah.
 
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It would possibly seem that the 2 most influential personas from the New Testament were indeed very darked skinned.


Here is Paul being mistaken for an Egyptian in the Book of Acts:

37 And as Paul was to be led into the castle, he said unto the chief captain, May I speak unto thee? Who said, Canst thou speak Greek?

38 Art not thou that Egyptian
, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

39 But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus
 
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Jesus' race was Arab. Palestinian. I mean He was literally in the Roman province of Palestina. Which doesn't sit well with many Christians; 'cause they're terrorists, you know.....

Although the argument that at least 50% of Jesus' blood was divine and thus had no race in the traditional sense does have merit.



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You know what? I think I just learned something.

Originally when i read your post, I was a bit dismissive, since I thought John was speaking symbolically and that we cannot know his actual appearance from a symbolic description. BUT--John saw Jesus face-to-face. He probably described Jesus as he remembered Him from decades ago--and then embellished with some symbolism, such as a sword coming out of His mouth, Lamb of God, etc..

This is like, cool. I'm going to use that.
 
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How about looking how Josephus described Our Lord and Savior:


“At that time also there appeared a certain man of magic power … if it be meet to call him a man, [whose name is Jesus], whom [certain] Greeks call a son of [a] God, but his disciples [call] the true prophet … he was a man of simple appearance, mature age, black-skinned (melagchrous), short growth, three cubits tall, hunchbacked, prognathous (lit. ‘with a long face’ [macroprosopos]), a long nose, eyebrows meeting above the nose … with scanty [curly] hair, but having a line in the middle of the head after the fashion of the Nazaraeans, with an undeveloped beard.”


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This portion is very interesting:


Black Skinned and Hunchbacked!

he was a man of simple appearance, mature age, black-skinned (melagchrous), short growth, three cubits tall, hunchbacked, prognathous (lit. ‘with a long face’ [macroprosopos]), a long nose, eyebrows meeting above the nose
 

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Jesus' race was Arab. Palestinian. I mean He was literally in the Roman province of Palestina. Which doesn't sit well with many Christians; 'cause they're terrorists, you know.....

Although the argument that at least 50% of Jesus' blood was divine and thus had no race in the traditional sense does have merit.
What Bible do you read?... The Koran?

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
(Rom 9:4-5)
 
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How about looking how Josephus described Our Lord and Savior:


“At that time also there appeared a certain man of magic power … if it be meet to call him a man, [whose name is Jesus], whom [certain] Greeks call a son of [a] God, but his disciples [call] the true prophet … he was a man of simple appearance, mature age, black-skinned (melagchrous), short growth, three cubits tall, hunchbacked, prognathous (lit. ‘with a long face’ [macroprosopos]), a long nose, eyebrows meeting above the nose … with scanty [curly] hair, but having a line in the middle of the head after the fashion of the Nazaraeans, with an undeveloped beard.”


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This portion is very interesting:


Black Skinned and Hunchbacked!

he was a man of simple appearance, mature age, black-skinned (melagchrous), short growth, three cubits tall, hunchbacked, prognathous (lit. ‘with a long face’ [macroprosopos]), a long nose, eyebrows meeting above the nose


People definitely did not accept Christ for His human appearance!
 
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How about looking how Josephus described Our Lord and Savior:


“At that time also there appeared a certain man of magic power … if it be meet to call him a man, [whose name is Jesus], whom [certain] Greeks call a son of [a] God, but his disciples [call] the true prophet … he was a man of simple appearance, mature age, black-skinned (melagchrous), short growth, three cubits tall, hunchbacked, prognathous (lit. ‘with a long face’ [macroprosopos]), a long nose, eyebrows meeting above the nose … with scanty [curly] hair, but having a line in the middle of the head after the fashion of the Nazaraeans, with an undeveloped beard.”


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This portion is very interesting:


Black Skinned and Hunchbacked!

he was a man of simple appearance, mature age, black-skinned (melagchrous), short growth, three cubits tall, hunchbacked, prognathous (lit. ‘with a long face’ [macroprosopos]), a long nose, eyebrows meeting above the nose


Sounds like the Hunchback of Notre Dame!
I love it How God chose not to be good looking and to be noticeably unique!