The Word became Flesh

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the first sentence -- yes!

the second tho, i still brace at you referring to Jesus as inhabiting 'corrupted flesh' -- there is no corruption in Him, at all. He put on flesh, but He was born of a virgin, without sin, without blemish. as Adam before sin. as the verse says, 'in the likeness of sinful flesh' -- not actually in sinful flesh, but having the same appearance, because, yes, flesh. very much human, but not corrupt & poisoned human, as all others are, as we ourselves are.

i *think* i get how you are using this terminology, but i don't think it's the right word to say -- i would say instead, weak & powerless flesh.
I agree no corruption in Christ who alone is eternal God . He is not a man as us.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Its the flesh that he says profits for nothing that is signified as sinful.The unseen Spirit alone profits. You could say corrupted flesh is a symbol of being dead.(walking dead).

Before he corrupted it no one knows what it was . Some say he slew animal and covered mankind with their skin. Many opinions on that event. Aging alone points to a end. Even if a person lived twice a thousand years .

John 6 is clear .When he asked those who were trusting in what the eyes see the temporal. He informs us in John 6 of that parable using the prescription in 2 Corinthian 4:18 for rightly dividing the parable. It reveals the "law of faith" which is mixed with the letter of the law (death) together making one new perfect law that works in the believer. Not from the believer.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

It exposes the nature of sinful flesh which was needed for a one time demonstration of the father and the Son completing the law of faith through the work of one faith

What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.John 6:62-63

They who did walk after the flesh walked away .They as faithless were hoping corrupted flesh could profit. J

Just as in the same way today as sons of God according to first John we are not what we will be .Corrupted flesh is not the standard of new creatures
 
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#83
the first sentence -- yes!

the second tho, i still brace at you referring to Jesus as inhabiting 'corrupted flesh' -- there is no corruption in Him, at all. He put on flesh, but He was born of a virgin, without sin, without blemish. as Adam before sin. as the verse says, 'in the likeness of sinful flesh' -- not actually in sinful flesh, but having the same appearance, because, yes, flesh. very much human, but not corrupt & poisoned human, as all others are, as we ourselves are.

i *think* i get how you are using this terminology, but i don't think it's the right word to say -- i would say instead, weak & powerless flesh.
Yes weak and powerless. What it could not do the unseen Spirit of faith did accomplish as a law of faith . Making both laws that seen and the unseen creating one new perfect law . Called mixing faith in Hebrew 4.

Likeness is in what the eyes see. .. no further .

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
 
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what does it mean when Christ regenerates a man's limb? ((Matthew 12:13))

that man's new arm -- what is it made out of? is it a piece of Jesus or a piece of that man?
That man. This is not about Jesus ability to heal a man. That man's heal body does not become God.
So that man can not claim that his arm is God,
 

posthuman

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It’s not about whose right or wrong but how one views the scriptures to what they believe.
If helps them to stronger in their Faith/walk with Jesus …………… Praise the Lord
That is our ultimate aim………… 2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
our ultimate aim is to be with Jesus = "The Truth" - and our faith is in truth, in right. so it really is about right and wrong; there is a truth, and the goal is to arrive at it. it's about what each one of our views is with respect to figuring out what each one of our views ought to be - most of the time we've all got a different piece of the puzzle, like we're all parts of one body - with One Head ;)
 

posthuman

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That man. This is not about Jesus ability to heal a man. That man's heal body does not become God.
So that man can not claim that his arm is God,
i think so too. the Word didn't become that man's arm of flesh; the Word spoke and that arm of flesh was created, a gift to that man, to God's glory
 

UnoiAmarah

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Do not I fill heaven and earth?
saith the LORD
(Jeremiah 23:24)
That is a question not a statement of fact, note question mark at the end.

So can you answer the question regarding what fills the expanse of the space which did not physically exist before being created in the beginning?
 
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That is a question not a statement of fact, note question mark at the end.

So can you answer the question regarding what fills the expanse of the space which did not physically exist before being created in the beginning?
I would ask? What expanse of the space which did not physically exist before being created in the beginning? How could you time it?
 

UnoiAmarah

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I would ask? What expanse of the space which did not physically exist before being created in the beginning? How could you time it?
The expanse of space which did not exist before being created in the beginning is the is physical world called the universe.

Creatio ex nihilo (Latin for "creation from nothing") is the philosophical dictum which postulates that the universe, being the sum of its all its parts, was created by a free act of the eternal God.

It asserts that the eternal God created the physical universe out of nothing. It holds that the universe was not created out of some preexisting material nor was it created out of the divine substance itself.

This view was established by the early Christian Church and was formally defined as dogma by the fourth Lateran Council in 1215.
 

Dino246

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That is a question not a statement of fact, note question mark at the end.

So can you answer the question regarding what fills the expanse of the space which did not physically exist before being created in the beginning?
It's a rhetorical question, where the answer ("Yes") is implied.
 

UnoiAmarah

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It's a rhetorical question, where the answer ("Yes") is implied.
Then can you answer the question regarding what is the physical substance that fills the heaven and the earth.

If a rhetorical question which generally do not require an answer, if it has an implied answer then it is implied you should be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks them for the reason for the hope in yourr claim that the answer is implied as 'yes' holds any substance of faith.
 

Dino246

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Then can you answer the question regarding what is the physical substance that fills the heaven and the earth.

If a rhetorical question which generally do not require an answer, if it has an implied answer then it is implied you should be ready to give an answer to anyone who asks them for the reason for the hope in yourr claim that the answer is implied as 'yes' holds any substance of faith.
The question contains the answer: "Do I not fill heaven and earth?" The "I" is God, as He is asking the question. HE fills heaven and earth.

As to "be ready to give an answer for the hope", that doesn't mean you need to have "the" answer to every question.
 

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John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The day you gave your life to Christ and became a Born Again Christian, Spirit of God and Christ resides within you.
When you stand and apply God’s Word in your life………The Word becomes flesh
When you claim your inheritance as a believer for healing, provision, protection deliverance and Spiritual growth and God honors your request…………..The Word became flesh
Actually...no...

These verses are talking about Jesus, the Son of God, becoming flesh in approximately 4 BC. They have nothing to do with the indwelling of Jesus in the believer through the mediation of the Holy Spirit.

He became the unique God-man at that point.

However, through union with Christ, the believer is joined with him in an eternal union. Jesus dwells within him.

But, this doesn't imply that the person will be physically healed of every health condition. In fact, God uses suffering to sanctify the believer sometimes.
 

UnoiAmarah

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As to "be ready to give an answer for the hope", that doesn't mean you need to have "the" answer to every question.
Faith is the reason why you believe something is true, if you can't answer the question regarding the reason you hope what you are saying is true is because your hope is merely belief without substance. So if you are going to claim that the LORD fills the heaven and the earth with darkness then I'll guess that you are right.
 

Dino246

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Faith is the reason why you believe something is true, if you can't answer the question regarding the reason you hope what you are saying is true is because your hope is merely belief without substance. So if you are going to claim that the LORD fills the heaven and the earth with darkness then I guess your right.
You're dealing with two distinct issues. I'll address the latter first: I did not claim that "the LORD fills the heaven and the earth with darkness". I have no idea where you got the idea that I said that.
 

Dino246

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Faith is the reason why you believe something is true, if you can't answer the question regarding the reason you hope what you are saying is true is because your hope is merely belief without substance. So if you are going to claim that the LORD fills the heaven and the earth with darkness then I'll guess that you are right.
I believe certain things are true by one of three reasons: God said so (faith and trust), certain persons relayed the information (trust), or I have experienced it myself.

Faith is being certain of what we do not see (Hebrews 11). If someone asks the reason for the hope I have, that is a specific issue dealing with the Person and finished work of Jesus Christ, not every detail of Scripture, life, or creation. If they ask a specific question, I will give a specific answer to the best of my ability.
 

Nehemiah6

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excellent question (y)
Well the answer is quite simple. God did not need to create over a period of six days. But God was putting into effect man's work week, which consists of six 24 hour days and one day of rest from labor. And this is stated in the Fourth Commandment.

There is a physical, emotional, and spiritual need for this pattern. Also man requires to divide 24 hours into three segments for his own mental and physical well-being -- 8 hours of sleep, 8 hours of work, and 8 hours of recuperation and recreation (including meal times).