The written word: Could we survive as Christians without it?

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Nehemiah6

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well i wouldn't say they're entirely un-useful
Microscopes and telescopes are more than useful. They allow mankind access to the intricacies of God's creation, and in fact glorify God.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The salvation by works teaching certainly does project that, yes.
I see it like the pro-choice movement protestations for the right to kill a child even after birth. Notice? They're all already alive?
That's how the works salvation doctrinaire's come across. They teach we must work to stay saved and all the while they're certain they are.
Jesus made it all so simple after making that horrifically pain filled sacrifice on the cross. Those who believe are saved.
Leave it to the pride and ego of human's to interject a complex formula that imparts they want to insure not everyone is saved that easily.
Why?
"Cui Bono" , "Who Benefits?"
It is true, those who believe are saved eternally by Christ's death on the cross, but the believing is not what saved them. Christ's death on the cross was over 2000 years ago for those that his Father gave to him (John 6:38) even before they were born into this world and could not have believed. No one believes in God until God gives them the new birth with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 2:14).
 

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It is true, those who believe are saved eternally by Christ's death on the cross, but the believing is not what saved them. Christ's death on the cross was over 2000 years ago for those that his Father gave to him (John 6:38) even before they were born into this world and could not have believed. No one believes in God until God gives them the new birth with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 2:14).
I agree. This is a different version that speaks that truth plainly. I offer it here so that all may understand even more. The Apostle Saint Paul's Book of 1st Corinthians chapter 2 - The Living Bible Translation
14 But the man who isn’t a Christian can’t understand and can’t accept these thoughts from God, which the Holy Spirit teaches us. They sound foolish to him because only those who have the Holy Spirit within them can understand what the Holy Spirit means. Others just can’t take it in.
And,
15 But the spiritual man has insight into everything, and that bothers and baffles the man of the world, who can’t understand him at all. 16 How could he? For certainly he has never been one to know the Lord’s thoughts, or to discuss them with him, or to move the hands of God by prayer.[b] But, strange as it seems, we Christians actually do have within us a portion of the very thoughts and mind of Christ.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+cor+2&version=TLB

Footnote:
1 Corinthians 2:16 to move the hands of God by prayer, or “who can advise him?”
 

Whispered

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God is spirit, not physical matter.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and elements will be dissolved, burning with heat, and the earth and the works in it will not be found.
(2 Peter 3:10)
Where do you believe physical matter comes from?
 

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You believe Father's creation was audible then?
sound is a pressure wave transmitted through matter.

there is no such thing as our human conception of 'sound' in vacuum.

imma need you to carefully define 'audible'
 

Whispered

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sound is a pressure wave transmitted through matter.

there is no such thing as our human conception of 'sound' in vacuum.

imma need you to carefully define 'audible'
If you know the definition of Elocution you know the definition of Audible.

What of the passage in the Book of Genesis chapter 1 and verse 26, where God did not say, but instead showed His will as The Word created the first people. ‘Let us make man in our image …’
 

posthuman

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If you know the definition of Elocution you know the definition of Audible.

What of the passage in the Book of Genesis chapter 1 and verse 26, where God did not say, but instead showed His will as The Word created the first people. ‘Let us make man in our image …’
matter had already been created by that time; i didn't realize you had changed subjects.
i'm still at verse 1.
 

posthuman

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Do you agree all things are created of and from God?
is that the same question you were asking me?

what makes you think i don't believe that - you knew exactly what i meant when i said "
His" elocution, didn't you?

are you trying to say, for every created thing, since He created it, it's part of Him / also Him?
 

posthuman

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What's your point?
i figured you were the one with a point, since i was just answering questions you asked me.
you were trying to lead up to something, right?
 

Nehemiah6

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Judaism and Christianity are middle eastern religions.
Eastern religions are Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Taoism, and Shintoism. Hinduism and Pantheism (or Panentheism) go hand in hand.

"The [Hindu] Gita is panentheistic rather than pantheistic. God is in all things, and all things are in God. But the visible universe springs from only a fraction of Vishnu's glory. There is also a hidden part of God which extends beyond the universe."
https://www.pantheism.net/paul/history/gita.htm

This is a quote from the World Pantheistic Movement website. So there is actually a false Pantheistic religion being promoted worldwide, and you are joining hands with them. So had better make up you mind.
 

Whispered

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Eastern religions are Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Taoism, and Shintoism. Hinduism and Pantheism (or Panentheism) go hand in hand.
Perhaps, however that is not the point of my remarks concerning God's essence. Pantheism and Panentheism are two different things as much as Pandeism and Immanentism are different from one another.
Pantheism has its word origin in the Greek. Which is not eastern.
 

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God is spirit, not physical matter.
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar, and elements will be dissolved, burning with heat, and the earth and the works in it will not be found.
(2 Peter 3:10)
God has manifested Himself in flesh more than once so yes He is physical matter.