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1 Pet 4:7 But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
End - Greek "telos"
Strongs
G5056 telos tel'-os
from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal);
properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of
an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result
(immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as
paid)
KJV - continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
End - Greek "telos"
Strongs
G5056 telos tel'-os
from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal);
properly, the point aimed at as a limit, i.e. (by implication) the conclusion of
an act or state (termination (literally, figuratively or indefinitely), result
(immediate, ultimate or prophetic), purpose); specially, an impost or levy (as
paid)
KJV - continual, custom, end(-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.
It's more than the dest of Jeru, also th gath of the elec....
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
An th pasin of hevn an rth....
Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
It's very clear actually. Since he says then the End will come and the Abomination of Desolation is spoken of next, we know its at least a 3 1/2 year period he is speaking about. But its actually a Seven Year period that comes AFTER THE END is spoken about.
What end? The End of the Age. The Church is Raptured after the Gospel is preached unto the ends of the world. Then we have Daniels 70th Week or Jacobs Trouble. BUT DOES THIS FIT !!!
Of course it does. Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
So we get the Gospel preached to all the world, then the End will come, so Jesus must be speaking about the 70th Week of Daniel or Jacobs Trouble. Because he mentions the Abomination of Desolation and the TROUBLE that will come just before the Second Coming in Matt. 24:27-31.
What end? The End of the Age. The Church is Raptured after the Gospel is preached unto the ends of the world. Then we have Daniels 70th Week or Jacobs Trouble. BUT DOES THIS FIT !!!
Of course it does. Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
So we get the Gospel preached to all the world, then the End will come, so Jesus must be speaking about the 70th Week of Daniel or Jacobs Trouble. Because he mentions the Abomination of Desolation and the TROUBLE that will come just before the Second Coming in Matt. 24:27-31.
Preterism? I just can't get over 1 Thessalonians 4:1614For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him. 15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who arealive and remain until the coming of theLord will by no means precede those whohave fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. I just don't know how you can spiritualize that. Oops that was to abcdef..lol
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The time that God allows the man of sin to deceive all people who do not love Him,to follow the beast kingdom,then when they take the mark of the beast,repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them,and God can put the world down,and end this sin business on earth.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
The Gospel must first be preached in to all the world,and all nations must know of what the Gospel is all about,and that the Bible claims that there is a personal God,and that Jesus is Lord and Savior,and when all the world has heard the Gospel and knows what it is about,then God can allow the beast to rule,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and when they do He will put them down,and they will have no excuse for all the world has heard the truth.
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The time that God allows the man of sin to deceive all people who do not love Him,to follow the beast kingdom,then when they take the mark of the beast,repentance,and salvation,is no longer available to them,and God can put the world down,and end this sin business on earth.
Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.
The Gospel must first be preached in to all the world,and all nations must know of what the Gospel is all about,and that the Bible claims that there is a personal God,and that Jesus is Lord and Savior,and when all the world has heard the Gospel and knows what it is about,then God can allow the beast to rule,and cause all people who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and when they do He will put them down,and they will have no excuse for all the world has heard the truth.
The whole world and a testimony to all nations like the Aztecs, Incas, Polynesians, Mongolians and the rest of the nation had already heard the Gospel by this time before 70 A.D.?
For sure it had gone out to all of the Roman Empire at that time or what was under the visible heaven from Jerusalem. Wouldn't Jesus had save, then these things will be, if referring to the destruction of the Temple. Since that was one part of the question, when will these things be (Temple), and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?
You do think verses 4-14 is an overall synopsis of the question? Then 15 begins to answer the first part of the question, which directs you to Daniel to understand what is being talked about, from the destruction of the Temple (more than one 9:26 "and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.") to the end of the age with His return to judge then nations, leading into the eternal age?
Here's something else I've wondered since they asked the question again about the kingdom. Was the last part o the question "and the end of the age" were they talking about the end of the world or the end of the age, being their bondage under Gentile rule ending with the Lord setting up His kingdom?
Verse 14, why does it say, "let the reader understand" w does that mean that they will not see the full fulfillment of what Daniel said "and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed"?
All this brings up more questions than it answers.
For sure it had gone out to all of the Roman Empire at that time or what was under the visible heaven from Jerusalem. Wouldn't Jesus had save, then these things will be, if referring to the destruction of the Temple. Since that was one part of the question, when will these things be (Temple), and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?
You do think verses 4-14 is an overall synopsis of the question? Then 15 begins to answer the first part of the question, which directs you to Daniel to understand what is being talked about, from the destruction of the Temple (more than one 9:26 "and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.") to the end of the age with His return to judge then nations, leading into the eternal age?
Here's something else I've wondered since they asked the question again about the kingdom. Was the last part o the question "and the end of the age" were they talking about the end of the world or the end of the age, being their bondage under Gentile rule ending with the Lord setting up His kingdom?
Verse 14, why does it say, "let the reader understand" w does that mean that they will not see the full fulfillment of what Daniel said "and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed"?
All this brings up more questions than it answers.
The Bible is about the world of Israel, not the planet of the gentile nations, except that some a grafted in.
Acts 2:5, every nation under heaven, Israel.
35 years after this Jerusalem fell.
The gentiles were considered animals at Pentecost, until they were grafted.
Try reading Mk 13 and Lk 21, where there are only 2 questions asked.
Mk 13, Lk 21, Lk 21:20-24 is one key.
The end of the temple age.
The kingdom began on Pentecost, but Jesus takes possession of the kingdom at His coming, 1 Cor 15:23-28. (Also see Rev 11:15 the 7th trumpet)
The gentile rule over Jerusalem ended in 1967.
End of Jerusalem in 70 ad.
You have to know what the question is,
To know what the answer means. (42)
Depends on what is meant by the "all the world" and "all nations", imho.
If it was a common speech - meaning all nations in the middle East surroundings or literal - meaning all the nations on the planet.
Similarly with the "all the world".
Because it is a common believe of the Church that the gospel should be preached to all nations on the planet, I would be more for the end of the universe in the ultimate end of the human history.
If it was a common speech - meaning all nations in the middle East surroundings or literal - meaning all the nations on the planet.
Similarly with the "all the world".
Because it is a common believe of the Church that the gospel should be preached to all nations on the planet, I would be more for the end of the universe in the ultimate end of the human history.
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Thank you, when I study the Olivet Discourse I use a book that has the Gospels in synoptic form. Where one leaves out if the other fills in it has it paralleled, two others that do the same with all the different ideas of what they mean, so yo can make up your own mind as to what it says and one other that has comments by a post millennialist. So I have questions, I think I know but the reality is no one knows for sure.
I believe 70 A.D. did fulfill some of the Discourse but not all, because of Daniel 9:26 says "desolations are decreed" Matthew 24:21 say the great tribulation, "such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now" 70 A.D. no, and never will be. There have been great tribulation since 70 A.D. 1.1 million killed in 70 A.D. 1939-1944 6 million Jews killed, so it seems that the, "no, and never will be" was not fully fulfilled in 70 A.D.
Titus did not stand in the Temple and procain to be God nor did he make a covenant with many, then cut offerings and sacrifice, so he did not fully fulfill that part of the Discourse.
I'm not real big on prophecy, soteriology is more important to me, so all of my study have been on that part of eschatology or our inheritance.
Thanks for your input.
I believe 70 A.D. did fulfill some of the Discourse but not all, because of Daniel 9:26 says "desolations are decreed" Matthew 24:21 say the great tribulation, "such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now" 70 A.D. no, and never will be. There have been great tribulation since 70 A.D. 1.1 million killed in 70 A.D. 1939-1944 6 million Jews killed, so it seems that the, "no, and never will be" was not fully fulfilled in 70 A.D.
Titus did not stand in the Temple and procain to be God nor did he make a covenant with many, then cut offerings and sacrifice, so he did not fully fulfill that part of the Discourse.
I'm not real big on prophecy, soteriology is more important to me, so all of my study have been on that part of eschatology or our inheritance.
Thanks for your input.