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Lanolin

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Free will = you can keep the law and save yourself.
no it doesnt mean that at all. sorry you are wrong.
free will just means you have a choice. It doesnt mean 'you can save yourself' so stop adding that to it.
 

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Well really there were only like 19 apostles listed in the NT including Christ I think...so not Abel as wonderful as he was...but no where does the Bible say that the top two offices ended at 100 AD...i know in Charismatic circles they may have more prophets and apostles than people on the planet lmao...but an apostle...a real one is a rare sent individual...and...I'm careful with the prophet thing too...but to say that apostles...prophets and all the gifts can't exist is never taught...they are rare always but not absent...
did you fast for 40 days when miracles start happening? Just wondering. I think people ought to fast more.
 

Lanolin

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I am inclined to believe that the Lord will lead a person toward men and women that will expand the direction he is taking them in.

Theological study on it's own is too "dusty" for my tastes.

I cannot speak to all, but it is reasonable that some answers wouldn't just be "given" to you. In this line of thinking it is helpful to think about what makes for a good teacher. Also consider why have the body at all and why some would be teachers if the Lord were just going to give it all out at your leisure.

Does not the Lord work in the lives of others also? Do we not sharpen each other's iron?


I'm thinking of a game hunt. I can hunt squirrels and track lots of evasive creatures just fine (fleeting tangents)...but taking down a mammoth? I'd need help. For sure. Meat in this instance being the focus.

Imagine a tracker in the forest vs a trackless tundra...I probably would only hunt there for the sake of it, or perhaps the Lord wants to mature someone into an all-arounder. I've only got an hour...I'll go anywhere no matter how hard it is, I need a field guide. Who has been here before? Oh this person has been here for a decade? Definitely I can learn from them! Through the filter of my own relationship of course.


Or another referring to the gem/treasure within scripture consider prospecting.


Think of all the ways a teacher can teach...and then take it a step further with how the Lord has us in community to grow and mature together.

People are going to have different priorities, battles, fancies, "make"/vintage, so it makes sense to understand it as gleaning. Some fields are full of chaff and little grain. I may be more full at the time I'm walking the path that I don't stop because it doesn't seem worth it. I feel led to...fine! *picks a bit* *chews* ok, not bad, moving on...I can be somewhat lazy. Then another person happens along and is hungry and strips the field.

It is also reasonable that if these men and women were believers (that's the hard part) then they are built on the Chief cornerstone and since you are also building it makes sense to understand other blocks.


Oh, btw...while not related, I wrote this in blocks...It's a tricky topic for me, so apologies if it's a bit scattered. A lot of this is related to Christology blended with Theology. There's a mountain of discussion but in my personal experience, a small percentage is useful outside the "Ivory tower".



That said, there's too much junk to slog through out there that (much like posts) it may be that it only connects with one person throughout history. It is such a hopeless search by oneself that without the Lord it'd be impossible.

I find it of utility to season the meat I've already found sometimes also. I may not have any pepper and some of these men/women had stores of salt that is still salty today...





Great caution should be exercised as there is a stout bit of yeast as well. I only turn to it when I have felt the Lord in a trail I'm on, but I'm inexperienced in certain things. There's plenty I can't learn on my own due to time constraints...they already did the busy work and availing oneself of that has wisdom in it. It's also something of a move against pride for me personally.
well almost all those theology books were gathering dust on the shelves.

I just think they are too heavy for people. As most people already have a copy of the Bible, scripture ought to be their go-to first,

The more popular books are biographies, prayers and devotionals, christian living, missions and evenagelism, and family and marriage. Even with them I will weed out the outdated and yellowing copies.

when I go to a christian bookshop, its the practical books or true life stories that appeal to me, not the abstract. There isnt even a theology section there, or of there is, it isnt obvious. To find one you need to go to your nearest ivory tower actually. They do cost a bundle as well and are used as text books but only if you are studying the finer points of an age old tired debate like 'do humans have free will?' zzzzz
 

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The longest I have made it was 19 days...but I was going to give 40 days...i was doing fine...14 days in I was told clearly I was getting my request...but I got attacked and ate...i have done a fair amount of fasting...but less lately...i take medicine and going without is not best...i still do some...but not as much as I did before I just wore out...i still pray lots and now I read and teach more for its my calling...but I do a lot of one on one...working to get people clean...but when I train others they really just don't care to love others as they should...they get there pay check from their denomination...so it is difficult to let go and just learn exactly what the Word really says...but I do make headway
 
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no it doesnt mean that at all. sorry you are wrong.
free will just means you have a choice. It doesnt mean 'you can save yourself' so stop adding that to it.
Free will means you don't need Christ. It's because you don't have free will that he needs to save you.
 

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Free will and choice we have and for most taking the narrow road is not what they want...and that then is there choice...but there debt was paid...they may not walk thru the door of Christ even though Christians try to offer the Way...the TRUTH OF ALL THIS IS KNOW AND IT IS NOT ALL THE WAYS...TO MAKE A MISTAKE FOR A WHILE US ONE THING...but if I said it's Soul sleep and limited Atonement and the earth is flat and it's post trib...to stack that many things and fight those positions one might think people not saved...THE TRUTH OF ALL 31,102 VERSES IS AND NOTHING ANYONE BELIEVES WILL CHANGE GOD OR THE TRUTH...IT TAKES THE TRUTH TO BE SET FREE AND MY WORD IS TRUTH...HEAVEN IS NOT PAVED WITH LIES...BUT SOME ERROR CAN BE HAD
 
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Free will and choice we have and for most taking the narrow road is not what they want...and that then is there choice...but there debt was paid...they may not walk thru the door of Christ even though Christians try to offer the Way...the TRUTH OF ALL THIS IS KNOW AND IT IS NOT ALL THE WAYS...TO MAKE A MISTAKE FOR A WHILE US ONE THING...but if I said it's Soul sleep and limited Atonement and the earth is flat and it's post trib...to stack that many things and fight those positions one might think people not saved...THE TRUTH OF ALL 31,102 VERSES IS AND NOTHING ANYONE BELIEVES WILL CHANGE GOD OR THE TRUTH...IT TAKES THE TRUTH TO BE SET FREE AND MY WORD IS TRUTH...HEAVEN IS NOT PAVED WITH LIES...BUT SOME ERROR CAN BE HAD
Free will = salvation. Only saved people have free will.
 

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David pls...i once had a friend who told my John the Baptist did not have free will because he had the Holy Spirit from the womb...and a well meaning pastor tell me that angels don't have free will because they are sinless...such things as these are heresy...the same pastor said we had 3 God's...but the Bible is clear we have One God...and we have Father Son and Spirit...these 3 are ONE...1 John 5 7-8

When the pastor argued with me...he found himself with his face in the toilet throwing up and a week in bed...without work...nothing I could say to him would he listen...why are people so stubborn...the truth from God's Word is there on each issue we are discussing today...yet why do people resist the truth of God's Word clearly said....pride...people who do not know God's Word argue when they should be listening and learning
 
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David pls...i once had a friend who told my John the Baptist did not have free will because he had the Holy Spirit from the womb...and a well meaning pastor tell me that angels don't have free will because they are sinless...such things as these are heresy...the same pastor said we had 3 God's...but the Bible is clear we have One God...and we have Father Son and Spirit...these 3 are ONE...1 John 5 7-8

When the pastor argued with me...he found himself with his face in the toilet throwing up and a week in bed...without work...nothing I could say to him would he listen...why are people so stubborn...the truth from God's Word is there on each issue we are discussing today...yet why do people resist the truth of God's Word clearly said....pride...people who do not know God's Word argue when they should be listening and learning
Free will = salvation. If you have it, you don't need Christ.
https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/does-james-disprove-free-will.190062/
 

Mii

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well almost all those theology books were gathering dust on the shelves.

I just think they are too heavy for people. As most people already have a copy of the Bible, scripture ought to be their go-to first,

The more popular books are biographies, prayers and devotionals, christian living, missions and evenagelism, and family and marriage. Even with them I will weed out the outdated and yellowing copies.

when I go to a christian bookshop, its the practical books or true life stories that appeal to me, not the abstract. There isnt even a theology section there, or of there is, it isnt obvious. To find one you need to go to your nearest ivory tower actually. They do cost a bundle as well and are used as text books but only if you are studying the finer points of an age old tired debate like 'do humans have free will?' zzzzz
What's wrong with yellowed books? I love the smell.

It's when they start getting mold spots that we have a problem.

Do you work at a local library? My experience has been libraries are for resources. A librarian being one of these resources. It would be enough to be able to point someone to where they could find them even if your library didn't have them. If it's state run, you'd run into issues obviously. now that I'm well rested, this is even harder to post about lol. I can't make any recommendations. I've appreciated Charles Spurgeon on certain topics but I couldn't tell you which ones. It's something like artists or bands for me. I recall the song and the lyrics but rarely who it's by. I don't think names matter as much as whether or not I trust whether they are believers, and I see a reasonable return for the time invested. If I need to know their name at some point, I will. HIS name is all that really matters right now...I'd probably anonymously write things if I ever did for that reason. If it points you closer to the Lord, awesome! If it gets you focusing on what "He or she" says then we may have a problem.



I think learning about the Lord is common, but on a scholarly level from a random DIY person...it is unlikely that you would come across them often enough for the shelf space.

Do you all have a CD library for pastors? Seems like that could be of use to someone.

Like, there are libraries around here that I could check out an instrument, and even some in the state where I can use a green screen. Both would cost me quite a bit of gas/wear and tear...but not much else.

Oh, I saw a seed display at the library near here and I asked what it was. Apparently it's a seed check out program. You check out the seeds and return the seeds when they yield more and return them. Pretty neat, and there were even a few returns.

There's also board game check out :D
 

Lanolin

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What's wrong with yellowed books? I love the smell.

It's when they start getting mold spots that we have a problem.

Do you work at a local library? My experience has been libraries are for resources. A librarian being one of these resources. It would be enough to be able to point someone to where they could find them even if your library didn't have them. If it's state run, you'd run into issues obviously. now that I'm well rested, this is even harder to post about lol. I can't make any recommendations. I've appreciated Charles Spurgeon on certain topics but I couldn't tell you which ones. It's something like artists or bands for me. I recall the song and the lyrics but rarely who it's by. I don't think names matter as much as whether or not I trust whether they are believers, and I see a reasonable return for the time invested. If I need to know their name at some point, I will. HIS name is all that really matters right now...I'd probably anonymously write things if I ever did for that reason. If it points you closer to the Lord, awesome! If it gets you focusing on what "He or she" says then we may have a problem.



I think learning about the Lord is common, but on a scholarly level from a random DIY person...it is unlikely that you would come across them often enough for the shelf space.

Do you all have a CD library for pastors? Seems like that could be of use to someone.

Like, there are libraries around here that I could check out an instrument, and even some in the state where I can use a green screen. Both would cost me quite a bit of gas/wear and tear...but not much else.

Oh, I saw a seed display at the library near here and I asked what it was. Apparently it's a seed check out program. You check out the seeds and return the seeds when they yield more and return them. Pretty neat, and there were even a few returns.

There's also board game check out :D[/QUOt
 

Lanolin

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sorry Im a qualified Librarian so..yes I can tell when a book has gone mouldy and hasnt been read in years.

If they really want theology books there is the nearest ivory tower as I have said. I have worked in ivory tower libraries before.

Generally pastors will have their own copies of theology textbooks on their own bookshelves and dont feel the need to share them with others. But they might try to pass off a few to their classmates. Nobody has ever specifically asked for them, only if they are required reading at said ivory towers.
 

Lanolin

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we have DVDs but not really CDS. CDS are becoming a bit obsolete although they have their advantages over streaming and downloads.
 

Lanolin

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A church friend of mine daughter married a guy who is a theologian and I said well thats interesting but she confessed that she didnt not understand a single word of his theology. He works as a professor or lecturer at an ivory tower.

well is he a christian? I asked
She isnt even sure about that. ?!