Theology

[JaumeJ]

Look at your post. My faith has always led me to ask all to read the Word, believe the Word, and worship Yahweh. None of the thought processes you present below are in the Word in regard to having faith.

Without much thought, it is obvious any theology that needs to have a new name, and they all do, can possibly adhere faithfully to the Word when all the theologies oppose each other at one point or another.

Please stop the verbosity, and address the actual OP. All you have done is dance around the subject saying Abraham had a theology. He knew God, and He obeyed God.

Your words are not intended for children, and this is very important. Unless you turn and become as a child you cannot enter the Kingdom of God. Now if the actual quote is the Kingdom of Heaven, don't worry about it; it is a paraphrase.


Now I must depart for some time. It is late here in Spain, for me anyway.........perhaps I will be able to come by briefly later on.

Yes, Abraham's faith consisted of belief in propositional truth (doctrine).

The propositions in which he believed were his theology.

What you are trying to say is that the propositions in which many believe are not true,
therefore, their theology is not true.

But the fault is not in having a theology, the fault is in the untrue propositions which they believe.
Not all theology is based in untrue propositions and therefore, not all theology is untrue.

So you are presenting a false dichotomy between theology and truth, setting them against each other.
Not all theology is untrue and to be set against truth.

 

[zone]

We expect it to be a bit of a challenge, as it seems rather contradictory to claim theology is bad all the while engaging in theology to prove the point.

diggs always gets to figure it out.

 

[Delija]

Who needs theology?Those old writings from men who lived in old monasteries in a deserts of Egypt and Syria are nothing in front of the Bible when am reading it.Holy Spirit speaking to me while am holding this book and no one can knows the truth,except me!U wanna say Holy Fathers?Those monks who lived in a caves and cells?Who didn't wan't to eat and drink water?Those who slept on the ground because they didn't wan't beds?Big deal...When am reading Bible,God speak to me directly!What about 2000years of Christianity,Saints and Martyrs,Confessors and who alse?They belong to past and future belong to us!We brave Bible riders with Holy Spirit in us shall win,because we are the Church and from us speak Holy Spirit!And Church,what is the Church?Church am I!Where was Church until M Luther,where?In a mouse hole,until this man didn't gave us freedom!Freedom from 1st and the greatest Protestant,Pope of Rome!
Writings of insain man.Sadly but truly,in some parts...

 

[zone]

Who needs theology?Those old writings from men who lived in old monasteries in a deserts of Egypt and Syria are nothing in front of the Bible when am reading it.Holy Spirit speaking to me while am holding this book and no one can knows the truth,except me!U wanna say Holy Fathers?Those monks who lived in a caves and cells?Who didn't wan't to eat and drink water?Those who slept on the ground because they didn't wan't beds?Big deal...When am reading Bible,God speak to me directly!What about 2000years of Christianity,Saints and Martyrs,Confessors and who alse?They belong to past and future belong to us!We brave Bible riders with Holy Spirit in us shall win,because we are the Church and from us speak Holy Spirit!And Church,what is the Church?Church am I!

i was with you, in the spirit of the no-lonely-sailors-anti-church thing.....kinda.....until this of course:

Where was Church until M Luther,where?In a mouse hole,until this man didn't gave us freedom!Freedom from 1st and the greatest Protestant,Pope of Rome!
Writings of insain man.Sadly but truly,in some parts...

(cough)...k.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Perhaps this will help to understand the Spirit of the OP.

Here is a prime example of theology replacing the Word. The Sadducee's, due to their own theology, taught there is no resurrection.

So this is a specific theology.

What about the theology of the faiht of Abraham? is that wrong too?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Abraham believed Yahweh, and this was counted to him as works.

where do you get this? The word works would be a horrible mistranslation of the actual word used.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is the same. What do you think is to be rewarded come the Kingdom but our righteousness, our works, our faith translates to such.

No it is not the same. Because it is not our righteousness which saves us. Our righteousness (or lack of) condemns us.

 

[Delija]

i was with you, in the spirit of the no-lonely-sailors-anti-church thing.....kinda.....until this of course:



(cough)...k.

I know Zone,i know...(spit)

 

[Delivery]

After reading all the posts here, it seems what you're saying is that any false teaching or misinterpretation of the scriptures is "theology". and "truth and righteousness" and the true faith of Abraham and all God's children are, therefore, not theology. This defies the dictionary definition of theology, and, therefore cause confusion with anybody who reads your post. You're using the word theology in the wrong context. The dictionary definition of theology is the study of religion and religious beliefs, especially Christian. All study of religious beliefs is theology, whether those beliefs are true or false. Whether your interpretation or doctrinal belief is a true one or a false one, it's still theology.

 

[notuptome]

What am I missing here? Theology is the study of the Theos. The study of God. How do we study God? In nature or in the bible or in both or neither? Do we simply dream up our theology or do we anchor it in some form of facts? Does our theology form our doctrine? Does our doctrine then form our faith or do we go right from theology to faith?

My opinion. God is therefore I must reconcile myself to Him. What I know about God I have observed in nature and learned from the word of God. My theology teacher is the Holy Spirit. My doctrines, my beliefs are based on what I know about God and what my theology teacher has shown me from God's word. My faith rests upon the foundation of what God has taught me through His theology teacher the Holy Spirit. God and His only begotten Son are the central points of my theology, doctrine or orthodoxy and the reason why I walk by the faith given me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zone]

What am I missing here? Theology is the study of the Theos. The study of God. How do we study God? In nature or in the bible or in both or neither? Do we simply dream up our theology or do we anchor it in some form of facts? Does our theology form our doctrine? Does our doctrine then form our faith or do we go right from theology to faith?

My opinion. God is therefore I must reconcile myself to Him. What I know about God I have observed in nature and learned from the word of God. My theology teacher is the Holy Spirit. My doctrines, my beliefs are based on what I know about God and what my theology teacher has shown me from God's word. My faith rests upon the foundation of what God has taught me through His theology teacher the Holy Spirit. God and His only begotten Son are the central points of my theology, doctrine or orthodoxy and the reason why I walk by the faith given me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

well roger, you believe in pretrib rapture, don't you?
(if not....excuse me if i have you confused with someone else)....The Holy Spirit didn't teach you that.

dat came frum an outside source, bud.

 

[Delija]

After reading all the posts here, it seems what you're saying is that any false teaching or misinterpretation of the scriptures is "theology". and "truth and righteousness" and the true faith of Abraham and all God's children are, therefore, not theology. This defies the dictionary definition of theology, and, therefore cause confusion with anybody who reads your post. You're using the word theology in the wrong context. The dictionary definition of theology is the study of religion and religious beliefs, especially Christian. All study of religious beliefs is theology, whether those beliefs are true or false. Whether your interpretation or doctrinal belief is a true one or a false one, it's still theology.

Damn delivery,how u dear to say this!
Only I Bible in my hands knows the truth!Man made tradition teach u that,right?!

 

[JaumeJ]

This is why it is best to read the Word and not the dictionary. It is our guide Home. God bless you.

After reading all the posts here, it seems what you're saying is that any false teaching or misinterpretation of the scriptures is "theology". and "truth and righteousness" and the true faith of Abraham and all God's children are, therefore, not theology. This defies the dictionary definition of theology, and, therefore cause confusion with anybody who reads your post. You're using the word theology in the wrong context. The dictionary definition of theology is the study of religion and religious beliefs, especially Christian. All study of religious beliefs is theology, whether those beliefs are true or false. Whether your interpretation or doctrinal belief is a true one or a false one, it's still theology.

 

[notuptome]

well roger, you believe in pretrib rapture, don't you?
(if not....excuse me if i have you confused with someone else)....The Holy Spirit didn't teach you that.

dat came frum an outside source, bud.

Well that's almost funny. They calls them ahmills because they is going to be saying ahhhhhhh during the rapture. It's not a cardinal doctrine of the faith so you can be wrong and not be in danger of eternal condemnation just constant scorn those who are immature in the faith and unlearned in theology.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Elin]

Yes, Abraham's faith consisted of belief in propositional truth (doctrine),
as well as in the person of God.
The propositions (God's promise) in which he believed were his theology.

What you are trying to say is that the propositions in which many believe are not true,
therefore, their theology is not true.

But the fault is not in having a theology, the fault is in the untrue propositions which they believe
and on which their theology is based.
Not all theology is based in untrue propositions and therefore, not all theology is untrue.

So you are presenting a false dichotomy between theology and truth, setting them against each other.
Not all theology is untrue and to be set against truth.

Look at your post. My faith has always led me to ask all to read the Word, believe the Word, and worship Yahweh. None of the thought processes you present below are in the Word in regard to having faith.

Are any other thought processes found in the Word in regard to having faith,
or is it just mine that are not found there?

Faith is in something (called its object.)

Perhaps you can explain how faith cannot be in an (grammatical) object.

What one believes about the (grammatical) object (of their faith) is one's theology.

Perhaps you can explain how one can have no beliefs about the object of their faith.

Without much thought, it is obvious any theology that needs to have a new name, and they all do, can possibly adhere faithfully to the Word when all the theologies oppose each other at one point or another.

Please stop the verbosity, and address the actual OP. All you have done is dance around the subject saying Abraham had a theology. He knew God, and He obeyed God.

Herein lies our difference.

You left out the most important part: "he believed God." (Ge 15:6)
You cannot separate theology from the faith it explains.

And you do not understand the epistemology of knowledge of, or faith in, its object.

Your words are not intended for children,

Paul can be charged with the same; e.g., regarding Ro 9-11.

and this is very important. Unless you turn and become as a child you cannot enter the Kingdom of God.

The operative word here is "become", it is not "think."

Unless your attitude toward God is that of a child--trusting, submissive, unpretentious, etc.
(and not unless you think like a child), you cannot enter the kingdom of God.

I hate be the one to say it, my friend, but what you are demonstrating in all of this
is your poor theology, based in a poor understanding of the word of God.

So theology, per se, is not the culprit here, your faulty understanding of the word of God is the culprit.
Don't blame it on the practice of theology.

 

[Elin]

I know Zone,i know...(spit)

Your spirit is showing. . .and I'm not talking about the Holy Spirit.

 

[JaumeJ]

Your post tends to go off in many directions. If you wish to discuss grammar, I suppose in this instance the object of a preposition, perhaps you should start a new thread.

My poor theology, which I have already shared with you, is the Word, believing Yeshua, and basically continuing in the faith of Abraham. Do not change what I said in my post to suit yourself.

If what I believe is wrong, then you are saying I am wrong to read the Word and believe Yeshua. I do not wish to continue with this ridiculous approach to feigned dialogue, so good bye to you for now. I pray God bless you with His Light, and rescue you from your knowledge.

Are any other thought processes found in the Word in regard to having faith,
or is it just mine that are not found there?

Faith is in something (called its object.)

Perhaps you can explain how faith cannot be in an (grammatical) object.

What one believes about the (grammatical) object (of their faith) is one's theology.

Perhaps you can explain how one can have no beliefs about the object of their faith.


Herein lies our difference.

You left out the most important part: "he believed God." (Ge 15:6)
You cannot separate theology from the faith it explains.

And you do not understand the epistemology of knowledge of, or faith in, its object.

Paul can be charged with the same; e.g., regarding Ro 9-11.


The operative word here is "become", it is not "think."

Unless your attitude toward God is that of a child--trusting, submissive, unpretentious, etc.
(and not unless you think like a child), you cannot enter the kingdom of God.

I hate be the one to say it, my friend, but what you are demonstrating in all of this
is your poor theology, based in a poor understanding of the word of God.

So theology, per se, is not the culprit here, your faulty understanding of the word of God is the culprit.
Don't blame it on the practice of theology.

 

[Delija]

Your spirit is showing. . .and I'm not talking about the Holy Spirit.

I knew u will understand it.Maybe end of my post spoiled something what u call holy...

 

[Elin]

Are any other thought processes found in the Word in regard to having faith,
or is it just mine that are not found there?

Faith is in something (called its object.)

Perhaps you can explain how faith cannot be in an (grammatical) object.

What one believes about the (grammatical) object (of their faith) is one's theology.

Perhaps you can explain how one can have no beliefs about the object of their faith.

Herein lies our difference.

You left out the most important part: "he believed God." (Ge 15:6)
You cannot separate theology from the faith it explains.

And you do not understand the epistemology of knowledge of, or faith in, its object.

Paul can likewise be charged with not being able to be understood by a child; e.g., regarding Ro 9-11.

The operative word here is "become", it is not "think."

Unless your attitude toward God is that of a child--trusting, submissive, unpretentious, etc.
(and not unless you think like a child), you cannot enter the kingdom of God.

I hate be the one to say it, my friend, but what you are demonstrating in all of this
is your poor theology, based in a poor understanding of the word of God.

So theology, per se, is not the culprit here, your faulty understanding of the word of God is the culprit.
Don't blame it on the practice of theology.

Your post tends to go off in many directions. If you wish to discuss grammar, I suppose in this instance the object of a preposition, perhaps you should start a new thread.

My poor theology, which I have already shared with you, is the Word, believing Yeshua, and basically continuing in the faith of Abraham. Do not change what I said in my post to suit yourself.

Non-responsive.

And feel free to pick one of the "directions" of my post above, and address just it.

 

[Elin]

I knew u will understand it.Maybe end of my post spoiled something what u call holy...

Do you believe anything is holy or sacred?

Is English your second language?