Someone help me out here........seriously. I don't know, have not been able to determine which group exactly it is that teaches such as we are reading here.............Those who deny the Holy Trinity, the Holy Spirit, the Divinity of Christ.......what group are they? It would really help me to understand who I am conversing with............Thanks........
There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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HOLY TRINITY:
We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)
In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)
We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)
And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)
And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)
In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)
Rehbein,
Is what I just posted on the previous page in agreement?
I am honestly a little confused in this thread... Confused who says what I mean
I believe that Christ is God in human form brought to earth for our sake. And the Holy Spirt is also God. I believe that are three but one. I might say this awkwardly because I'm not great at writing. I believe Christ sits in Heaven beside God the Father but in fact they are still One. While the Holy Spirit dwells in us and is still one with God The Father and God The Son... So the trinity three who are one.
I am maybe not saying it right but is that what you are saying?
Is what I just posted on the previous page in agreement?
I am honestly a little confused in this thread... Confused who says what I mean
I believe that Christ is God in human form brought to earth for our sake. And the Holy Spirt is also God. I believe that are three but one. I might say this awkwardly because I'm not great at writing. I believe Christ sits in Heaven beside God the Father but in fact they are still One. While the Holy Spirit dwells in us and is still one with God The Father and God The Son... So the trinity three who are one.
I am maybe not saying it right but is that what you are saying?
J
From Matthew Henry on John 14 ~ a snippet ~
No man cometh to the Father but by me. Fallen man must come to God as a Judge, but cannot come to him as a Father, otherwise than by Christ as Mediator. We cannot perform the duty of coming to God, by repentance and the acts of worship, without the Spirit and grace of Christ, nor obtain the happiness of coming to God as our Father without his merit and righteousness; he is the high priest of our profession, our advocate.
No man cometh to the Father but by me. Fallen man must come to God as a Judge, but cannot come to him as a Father, otherwise than by Christ as Mediator. We cannot perform the duty of coming to God, by repentance and the acts of worship, without the Spirit and grace of Christ, nor obtain the happiness of coming to God as our Father without his merit and righteousness; he is the high priest of our profession, our advocate.
Given your age my Sister, you is doing just fine! And I mean that as a compliment.......not knocking your youth. It does my tired old heart good to see such understanding from our Youth........It lets me know that God surely IS in control and is preparing His children to continue on in His work until He returns.......
The Holy Trinity is probably the most misunderstood, and the hardest to understand of all the Biblical Truths......Man strives to prove/disprove the Holy Trinity based on "man's wisdom/knowledge." That isn't even possible. How can man's wisdom/knowledge even come close to the Wisdom of God? It can't.
That is what FAITH is all about.
God bless, and do not allow the naysayers to mislead you......trust in the guidance and wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Trinity is probably the most misunderstood, and the hardest to understand of all the Biblical Truths......Man strives to prove/disprove the Holy Trinity based on "man's wisdom/knowledge." That isn't even possible. How can man's wisdom/knowledge even come close to the Wisdom of God? It can't.
That is what FAITH is all about.
God bless, and do not allow the naysayers to mislead you......trust in the guidance and wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
J
From Matthew Henry on John 14 ~ a snippet ~
No man cometh to the Father but by me. Fallen man must come to God as a Judge, but cannot come to him as a Father, otherwise than by Christ as Mediator. We cannot perform the duty of coming to God, by repentance and the acts of worship, without the Spirit and grace of Christ, nor obtain the happiness of coming to God as our Father without his merit and righteousness; he is the high priest of our profession, our advocate.
No man cometh to the Father but by me. Fallen man must come to God as a Judge, but cannot come to him as a Father, otherwise than by Christ as Mediator. We cannot perform the duty of coming to God, by repentance and the acts of worship, without the Spirit and grace of Christ, nor obtain the happiness of coming to God as our Father without his merit and righteousness; he is the high priest of our profession, our advocate.
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. - 1 John 5:7
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. - Genesis 1:26
Who is the “us” here? God did not create the world with assistance. Neither does God have a pronoun problem. The “us” is the Godhead, the Holy Trinity, of whom the Father, Son and Holy Spirit all were responsible for creation. Someone does not refer to Himself as "us" unless other persons are there also, hence, first person plural. Here is another passage where you see the same speech from our Lord…
Thank you!
You saying that about my youth is perfectly accurate.
I read The Bible a lot but have very little spiritual guidance, which is why I joined this chat.
Love you and thank you for the guidance and caring response, yesterday I received a harsh response and was told I was rebelling from God without explanation of how to change this. I took it personally and was very hurt.. It's not his fault I know better than to let people upset me that way... Okay my point is members like you show me Christ's love and that's what right now along with understanding that I need the most!
You saying that about my youth is perfectly accurate.
I read The Bible a lot but have very little spiritual guidance, which is why I joined this chat.
Love you and thank you for the guidance and caring response, yesterday I received a harsh response and was told I was rebelling from God without explanation of how to change this. I took it personally and was very hurt.. It's not his fault I know better than to let people upset me that way... Okay my point is members like you show me Christ's love and that's what right now along with understanding that I need the most!
I read it in the bible. However, I did not find "Holy Trinity" in the bible. That is a pagan construct, aiming as fashioning God in pagan terms. God is known by his unity (Deut 6;4). Why make God out to be a Trinity in defiance of his Word? I'll concede however since the revelation of Jesus Christ that a hierarchy can be introduced: the Logos is God, or the nature of God, or the image of God, etc, by being in apposition to the Father who is substantively God. But there is a dependency relation. It is not a wholly equal relation.
The logos became flesh. That's what the bible says. That means the logos ceased to be God but did not cease being the logos. What's so difficult about that? The propagandists who tell you otherwise reject scripture. They are pursing mere human philosophy, which they have done for many hundreds of years. That is why Christendom is ruled by antichrist. It's because Christians won't believe the bible and prefer their own fairy tales.
The logos became flesh. That's what the bible says. That means the logos ceased to be God but did not cease being the logos. What's so difficult about that? The propagandists who tell you otherwise reject scripture. They are pursing mere human philosophy, which they have done for many hundreds of years. That is why Christendom is ruled by antichrist. It's because Christians won't believe the bible and prefer their own fairy tales.
Yes they are. We have a body, and thought process, and a motivator.
Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Nevertheless, God is a Spirit.
John 4:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
One other scripture to consider is 1 Corinthians 15:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
When Jesus said that He did nothing without the approval of His Father, that means He had the Spirit of God within Him, Yet the Spirit of God ascended as a dove when He was baptized. God was in heaven and in Jesus simultaneously.
Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Nevertheless, God is a Spirit.
John 4:24 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
One other scripture to consider is 1 Corinthians 15:28 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
When Jesus said that He did nothing without the approval of His Father, that means He had the Spirit of God within Him, Yet the Spirit of God ascended as a dove when He was baptized. God was in heaven and in Jesus simultaneously.
Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Please do not be personally hurt when you have feedback here that is not about scripture but is personally against you. Scripture tells us that you can tell who is in the family of God by their love for each other, if someone on here speaks with hate, they are not of God and it is best to ignore them. God also says that we are not to judge each other. When you read of someone judging another person, you also know it is best to just ignore them, for it is not of God.
Often, you will find us saying "This is not what scripture says". Or judging something as sin. That is different.
You need never be hurt by the people on here who are not Godly. We live in a world where there are ungodly people. There are many Godly people who are on this site, so please don't let the others chase you away, but stay with us.
Often, you will find us saying "This is not what scripture says". Or judging something as sin. That is different.
You need never be hurt by the people on here who are not Godly. We live in a world where there are ungodly people. There are many Godly people who are on this site, so please don't let the others chase you away, but stay with us.
Peace be with you, as it is written in the epistle of James;
"Not many of you should become teachers, my 'brothers', (mentioned and not sisters) for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.'"
Who are you women to practice authority over men to tell them what to believe and what to do? And who are you justify and disapprove about the wisdom confessed word 'Trinity' according to the New Covenant? Are you the spirit of jezebel in disguise, to practice authority over the KING of Israel and HIS body the church? Are you not to learn from anointed men than rather teach?
First, please learn the nature and conduct of queen jezebel upon a dispute of 'self righteousness' in the Old Covenant to know our similarity of the pharisees.
Others be careful of who you are and who you represent, even to men, because there is also the spirit of baalam operating in the church according to the LORD JESUS CHRIST in the book of Revelations to the seven churches.
Sister, the Word of LORD JESUS CHRIST has corrected you through the HOLY SPIRIT the inspirer of the Holy Scriptures. We all also have our own corrections from the LORD our GOD to justify, to turn back and continue to worship in spirit and truth our GOD, in order to honor our LORD's Words in the New Covenant.
"Not many of you should become teachers, my 'brothers', (mentioned and not sisters) for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.'"
Who are you women to practice authority over men to tell them what to believe and what to do? And who are you justify and disapprove about the wisdom confessed word 'Trinity' according to the New Covenant? Are you the spirit of jezebel in disguise, to practice authority over the KING of Israel and HIS body the church? Are you not to learn from anointed men than rather teach?
First, please learn the nature and conduct of queen jezebel upon a dispute of 'self righteousness' in the Old Covenant to know our similarity of the pharisees.
Others be careful of who you are and who you represent, even to men, because there is also the spirit of baalam operating in the church according to the LORD JESUS CHRIST in the book of Revelations to the seven churches.
Sister, the Word of LORD JESUS CHRIST has corrected you through the HOLY SPIRIT the inspirer of the Holy Scriptures. We all also have our own corrections from the LORD our GOD to justify, to turn back and continue to worship in spirit and truth our GOD, in order to honor our LORD's Words in the New Covenant.
W
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.(8) And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, the water , and the blood: and these three agree in one (5)Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the son of God? (6) This is he that came by water and blood,even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
T
We discern and then we make a judgment.
"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, - -." John 5:22.
"But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Cor. 2:15-16.
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24.
"For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, - -." John 5:22.
"But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. For "who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?" But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Cor. 2:15-16.
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." John 7:24.
J
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father." (1 John 2:22-24 KJV)
Here John plainly contrasts the Holy Spirit of God with "that spirit of antichrist," an attitude of opposing the reality of Christ, Who Christ is, What Christ is. The antichrists that John speaks of were not people on the outside, but people who had "gone out into the world":"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world" (1 John 4:1-4 KJV)