There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity

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tucksma said:
In the creation of man, it says Elohim does it, not Yahweh. Elohim means "mighty ones" which can refer to angels.
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Elohim literally means 'two or more', and never has angels as the creation subject....only the Triune God.
 
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Bowman said:
The Trinity already comprehends ALL of scripture.

You are now stuck on a verse which you are unable to exegete as to why it supposedly thwarts the Trinity.

Its pretty hard to thwart something that YOU can't even define, yourself, to begin with....

This is called a straw-man...
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I'm using this one verse, because it is what we are talking about now! Other verses do this as well. Jesus is at the right hand of God. It doesn't say God the father it says God, which should according to the trinity be all three. No man hath seen God at any time, should refer to all three because it doesn't say 'the father'. You add those words to fit the trinity.
 
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Bowman said:
Elohim literally means 'two or more', and never has angels as the creation subject....only the Triune God.
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  1. [*=left](plural)

    1. [*=left]rulers, judges

      [*=left]divine ones

      [*=left]angels

      [*=left]gods

    [*=left](plural intensive - singular meaning)

    1. [*=left]god, goddess

      [*=left]godlike one

      [*=left]works or special possessions of God

      [*=left]the (true) God

      [*=left]God



      that is elohim defined.
 
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tucksma said:
and you are assuming Malek Yahweh is Jesus! It doesn't say he is. Malek Yahweh means messenger of God! Stop assuming.
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I already provided you with Jacob's wrestling partner yesterday....Malek Yahweh is described as a 'man', 'The Word of God', etc....The Second Person of the Trinity.

So simple...
 
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Bowman said:
You don't 'earn' salvation.
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It is a gift of God. We don't ever deserve salvation because we are sinners. I meant that those who jesus judges as righteous have earned the gift, or found favor in his sight. Not literal earning because we never deserve it.
 
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Bowman said:
I already provided you with Jacob's wrestling partner yesterday....Malek Yahweh is described as a 'man', 'The Word of God', etc....The Second Person of the Trinity.

So simple...
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He is described as man in Jacob's perspective. It doesn't ever say he is Jesus, or the son, or a second part of the trinity. You are ASSUMING he is. Malek Yahweh could be an angel and everything you are saying would fit perfectly.
 
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tucksma said:
I'm using this one verse, because it is what we are talking about now! Other verses do this as well. Jesus is at the right hand of God. It doesn't say God the father it says God, which should according to the trinity be all three. No man hath seen God at any time, should refer to all three because it doesn't say 'the father'. You add those words to fit the trinity.
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God The Spirit manifested as a Dove at Jesus' Baptism.

God The Son was present.

Where was God The Father...?

You never see Him...but you hear His voice...
 
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Bowman said:
Scripture?

Or...just your unreferenced opinion....
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There isn't scripture to deny, or to prove that. I'm saying that you can't say that angels can't create. The bible never says that.
 
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tucksma said:

  1. [*=left](plural)

    1. [*=left]rulers, judges
      [*=left]divine ones
      [*=left]angels
      [*=left]gods

    [*=left](plural intensive - singular meaning)

    1. [*=left]god, goddess
      [*=left]godlike one
      [*=left]works or special possessions of God
      [*=left]the (true) God
      [*=left]God



      that is elohim defined.
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Show us explicit passages where angels create....
 
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God The Spirit manifested as a Dove at Jesus' Baptism.

God The Son was present.

Where was God The Father...?

You never see Him...but you hear His voice...
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You do it again. You add these words "the spirit" "the son" "the father" to fit your interpretation.
 
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Bowman said:
Show us explicit passages where angels create....
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Show me one where it says they can't. I'm saying it is possible and it is what I interpret. You are saying it is not true. Prove it.
 
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tucksma said:
It is a gift of God. We don't ever deserve salvation because we are sinners. I meant that those who jesus judges as righteous have earned the gift, or found favor in his sight. Not literal earning because we never deserve it.
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Scripture states that The Trinity judges mankind.
 
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verse that says angels can not create?
I'm waiting.
 
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tucksma said:
He is described as man in Jacob's perspective. It doesn't ever say he is Jesus, or the son, or a second part of the trinity. You are ASSUMING he is. Malek Yahweh could be an angel and everything you are saying would fit perfectly.
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The second person of the Trinity was not known as The Son until He was born of a woman. We already went over this yesterday...

Again...how many mere angels do you know of that swear by themselves....?
 
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tucksma said:
There isn't scripture to deny, or to prove that. I'm saying that you can't say that angels can't create. The bible never says that.
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The Bible never states that gerbils can't create, either.

So...according to your reasoning we can't rule it out....

Silly logic...
 
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Your missing the idea of God manifestation that I've said many times. A being can hold God's name if he is doing his work perfectly. It doesn't literally mean that being is God, just the messenger of God. You assume Jesus is Malek Yahweh. I assume nothing and say that Malek Yahweh is simply a messenger of God. Could it refer to Jesus? Sure. Could it refer to an angel? Sure. Sense it isn't 100% clear to which, it cannot be proof of the trinity.
 
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Bowman said:
You don't 'earn' salvation.
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Good post, We definately are not saved by WORKS, but by GRACE, something that is TOTALLY, UNEARNED.
 
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