There are only 2 Persons in the Israelite Godhead, not 3 Persons

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When I Googled the subject "Trinity" it said that it was Tertullian who in the third century AD began to advocate that the Holy Spirit is a person.

I don't believe in the Trinity, the concept that there are THREE Persons in the Israelite Godhead.

I only believe that there are TWO Persons in the Israelite Godhead.

There is God the Father of the Old Testament and there is God the Son.

As for God the Father:

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD.

(The above word "LORD" is the word "Yehova" in Hebrew)

And this God Jehova has a Son:

Psalm 2:12
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little.

Galatians 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman.

But the most important Biblical evidence that there are only TWO Persons in the Israelite Godhead is found in the letters of Paul.

At the beginning of ALL Paul's letters, Paul ONLY BRINGS GREETINGS to the Church from GOD THE FATHER and from the LORD JESUS CHRIST ... and then, Paul... STOPS! Let's look at those verses:

Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 1:3
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:2
Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:3
Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:2
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Philippians 1:2
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are at Colosse: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Thessalonians 1:1
Paul and Silvanus and Timotheus, to the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Thessalonians 1:2
Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 1:2
To Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Timothy 1:2
To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

Titus 1:4
To Titus, my own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.

Philemon 1:3
Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

NOW, if Paul had considered the Holy Spirit to be a Person, would not Paul also have sent greetings from the Holy Spirit to the Church?

Indeed, the Bible says instead that the Spirit is the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus Christ:

1 Corinthians 3:16
Don't you know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Galatians 4:6
And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

So clearly the Spirit is something that belongs to God the father and that belongs to God the Son.

Again, if anyone in the New Testament would have known whether the Holy Spirit was a person like God the Father and like God the Son ... Paul would have certainly known it and Paul would also have sent greetings from the Holy Spirit and the reason Paul NEVER did is because Paul knew that the Holy Spirit was not a person.

There are only TWO Persons in the Israelite Godhead, God the Father and God the Son Jesus Christ.

It was Tertullian who in the third century AD floated the idea that the Holy Spirit was a person and the modern church has adopted it Hook, Line & Sinker.
 

Demi777

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Godhead doesnt even exist.
Jesus and the father are together, sometimes both spoke in the OT.
Then God has his council that christians always ignore and say that was the trinity when there is no trinity biblically,...
Thanks for ur post
 
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Gracie_14

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This is all just so confusing to me.

Matthew 28:19 teaches us to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is obviously referenced to a Triune God. And the Holy Spirit is referred to a "he" not an "it"....so how is the Holy Spirit not a person?

Scripture makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is a person. You haven't read New Testament well enough to know the Holy Spirit is a person.
 
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Godhead doesnt even exist.
Jesus and the father are together, sometimes both spoke in the OT.
Then God has his council that christians always ignore and say that was the trinity when there is no trinity biblically,...
Thanks for ur post
Isaiah 48:16
“Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.”

Yep. No trinity spoken of in the OT. :rolleyes:
 
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This is all just so confusing to me.

Matthew 28:19 teaches us to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. This is obviously referenced to a Triune God. And the Holy Spirit is referred to a "he" not an "it"....so how is the Holy Spirit not a person?

Scripture makes it clear that the Holy Spirit is a person. You haven't read New Testament well enough to know the Holy Spirit is a person.
The HS is all over the OT. Spoken of as a personal being. Not a “thing”
 
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Miri

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John 16:7-11 NKJV
[7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away;
for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart,
I will send Him to you. [8] And when He has come, He will convict the world
of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] of sin, because they
do not believe in Me; [10] of righteousness, because I go to My Father and
you see Me no more; [11] of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.


Etcetera, etcetera....
 
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Gracie_14

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I am dumbfunded as to why people can not see this. Why are they afraid of making the HS a personal being who has all the attributes as the godhead?
I have no idea why. It's quite straightforward in the scriptures Here...He is mentioned fifty-six times in the Gospels, fifty-seven times in the book of Acts, 112 times in the Pauline espistles, and thirty-six times in the remaining New Testament. there are at least seventy-five unambiguous references to the Holy Spirit in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament)
 
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Exactly. Thank you for pointing that out.
I am dumbfunded as to why people can not see this. Why are they afraid of making the HS a personal being who has all the attributes as the godhead?
I have no idea why. It's quite straightforward in the scriptures Here...He is mentioned fifty-six times in the Gospels, fifty-seven times in the book of Acts, 112 times in the Pauline espistles, and thirty-six times in the remaining New Testament. there are at least seventy-five unambiguous references to the Holy Spirit in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament)
amen,, And wow. yeah I would say that makes him a prety important part of the godhead, who has a role to play/ And takes that role serio
John 16:7-11 NKJV
[7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away;
for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart,
I will send Him to you. [8] And when He has come, He will convict the world
of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] of sin, because they
do not believe in Me; [10] of righteousness, because I go to My Father and
you see Me no more; [11] of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.


Etcetera, etcetera....
Yep. Think about it

He is going to the Father
He will send the HS

So he is not sending the father

And not sending himself
 
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I am dumbfunded as to why people can not see this. Why are they afraid of making the HS a personal being who has all the attributes as the godhead?

amen,, And wow. yeah I would say that makes him a prety important part of the godhead, who has a role to play/ And takes that role serio

Yep. Think about it

He is going to the Father
He will send the HS


So he is not sending the father

And not sending himself
Wow. Not sure what happened here, Was only supposed to be the response to Miri, not sure where the rest came from
 

Adstar

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John 16:7-11 NKJV
[7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away;
for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart,
I will send Him to you. [8] And when He has come, He will convict the world
of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] of sin, because they
do not believe in Me; [10] of righteousness, because I go to My Father and
you see Me no more; [11] of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.


Etcetera, etcetera....
Well posted Miri..
I was thinking of exactly the same scripture and was going to post it.. But you beat me to the draw :eek: :) (y)

Yes the Holy Spirit is a He.. Not an it or some spiritual liquid as some people seem to think..
 
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Miri

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Well posted Miri..
I was thinking of exactly the same scripture and was going to post it.. But you beat me to the draw :eek::) (y)

Yes the Holy Spirit is a He.. Not an it or some spiritual liquid as some people seem to think..
I think a lot of that gets sampled at Christmas! Lol
 

blue_ladybug

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Well posted Miri..
I was thinking of exactly the same scripture and was going to post it.. But you beat me to the draw :eek::) (y)

Yes the Holy Spirit is a He.. Not an it or some spiritual liquid as some people seem to think..
Spiritual liquid= Coffee

Want some? :coffee:
 

presidente

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Did many of the Vandals believe like this?