There is only ONE saving gospel

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26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God

35So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. 36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.

And if he shrinks back,
I will not be pleased with him."[d] 39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.

so.. tell me, what did Paul mean? and if we deliberately keep on sinning after we have receievd the knowledge of truth, what does that mean?
and it is also written, that we need to persevere to receive what He has promised. and if we shrink back (which means we have already been there - saved) He will not be pleased.


I'm not going to get back int this discuccion with you again but I can't believe that you really believe that. It is as clear as it can be that it is referring to the saved.
 
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Abing

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*shakes the dust off my feet*

lol this is my last post on this thread hehe God bless!
 
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Sinnner I find it odd you think you can interpret these passages and in the same breath say no works can save anyone or keep anyone saved.....Not contending for the faith is bad works(ie: it is still works though).....So here we have a supposed contradiction in Scripture...But God never contradicts his Word.....So if it appears that God is requiring good works for salvation, then you are misunderstanding the passage......Why not explain to me all the verses I have posted above....You clearly by your testimony believe that works have part in salvation while out of the other side of your mouth claim no works can save you.....I find that questionable.....You would not even explain to me about what the repentance website meant, but merely copy and pasted it.....
 
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Abby, you are free to disagree with me......But you are misinterpreting these passages......In light of other Scripture, God cannot contradict Himself......Even if I dont understand the complex Jewish tradition of the Old Testament, I know without a shadow of a doubt that God says works will not get you into heaven but by ONLY the merits of Jesus Christ...Which is why I can confidently say that these passages are not speaking about a born again Christian going to hell for bad works....
 
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Abing

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roaringkitten said:
Abby, receiving the KNOWLEDGE of the truth saves no one...I can present the gospel to my friends(they hear head knowledge) and they can either accept it or refuse it...Your passages speak of the unsaved.....Who live in willful sin...It is by trusting Jesus that anyone is ever saved:


"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. " Romans 10:9-10

It is a matter of the heart! I often find Hebrews and James as often misquoted by those who criticize eternal security because they dont understand passages in context......
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hmmm i just noticed this, are you talking about this verse?

26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God

so you mean that the knowledge of truth thats talked about here is not about salvation? hmm then what is it? interesting...
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left

... if its something NOT about salvation, then why does it talk about sin? and the sacrifice paid for it?

:rolleyes: im not off topic am I?
 
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Abing said:
hmmm i just noticed this, are you talking about this verse?

26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God

so you mean that the knowledge of truth thats talked about here is not about salvation? hmm then what is it? interesting...
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left

... if its something NOT about salvation, then why does it talk about sin? and the sacrifice paid for it?

:rolleyes: im not off topic am I?
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hey Abing you just lied you might need to go get saved again, you said you were posting no more on this thread, you were shaking the dust off.lol ,

but serious do you khow the difference between receiving the knowledge of Christ and accepting Him as Lord. you see

Joh 3:17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.Joh 3:18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.



your verse is saying that the only sacrifice is Jesus, if you receive that truth then you have a response; you either believe or you reject. you either receive Him as Lord or you reject Him, just receiving the knowledge that Jesus is the only way is not the saving grace. the demons knew of Him and trembled. you see not everyone that believes Jesus is the way will get in. I witnessed to a person who was raised in church they had the knowledge of Christ , but refused Him said they weren't ready to make Him Lord, if they had died before they changed their mind they would had been in hell. your verse does not apply to the saved but the unsaved.
 
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lol i know, :D i said i wont post anymore. but then i just noticed that, and it wasnt clarified :)
 
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Abby...With your logic, unrepentant sin is bad works. If works have nothing to do with our salvation and ONLY the merits of Christ, why can a Christian lose salvation if it wasnt even contingent on works to begin with? Reconcile your interpretation of the Hebrews verses you posted with the verses I have above on my thread. You cant just look at one verse and make doctrine off of it. You must reconcile it with the rest of the Word...Clearly you have not done that yet concerning this issue.

The Jesus I know completely saves....With your logic, satan could make all born-again believers lost again to hell. Does that sound like Christianity?
 
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To teach the rediculas notin of eternal salvation is to reject Jesus and act as if you no longer need him. Roaringkitten, the things you post on here could very possibly lead new Christians straight to hell. And if any one else is believing eternal salvation (rejecting Jesus) please see the light and stop and repent for the sake of your souls. It is a new age religion that focuses on tricking many into rejecting Jesus without their knowledge. It is generated by satan. ETERNAL SALVATION IS A FALSE DOCTRINE THAT LEADS ONLY TO HELL. Please search yourself and repent.
 
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Abing

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roaringkitten said:
Abby...With your logic, unrepentant sin is bad works. If works have nothing to do with our salvation and ONLY the merits of Christ, why can a Christian lose salvation if it wasnt even contingent on works to begin with? Reconcile your interpretation of the Hebrews verses you posted with the verses I have above on my thread. You cant just look at one verse and make doctrine off of it. You must reconcile it with the rest of the Word...Clearly you have not done that yet concerning this issue.

The Jesus I know completely saves....With your logic, satan could make all born-again believers lost again to hell. Does that sound like Christianity?
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Romans 3:24-25 (King James Version)

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

its not logic.
 
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Thats a good start. When Jesus took sin upon Himself, ALL your sins were future. Unrepentant sin is future sin(any sin that you commit as a Christian which you haven't repented of is unrepentant sin). All your sins have been dealt with already. Think of it this way. If I was told by my dad not to play ball next to a window and I did it anyway and broke the window, then I would be punished. Punishing me doesnt pay for the window. Punishing is child-training. Neither does my father disown me. If I act bad, I can affect my RELATIONSHIP with my dad but I am still his son.

With God, as Christians, when we sin we affect our relationship with our Father. He will chastise us(not for payment of the sins-since that has already been dealt with on the cross)...This is for child-training to help us conform more like Jesus. Here are some verses:

"And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?" Hebrews 12:5-7

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:1-2



With our new nature in Christ, we will strive to follow Christ. But we will all have pitfalls along the way. The Holy Spirit has sealed us, we can grieve the Holy Spirit(quench it) as an earthly father grieves when his son disobeys him. Our advocate as Christians is Jesus the righteous. We should strive to obey Christ and repent of sins as Christians. But this has nothing to do with keeping your salvation as God is the one who saved you to begin with and will keep you.
 
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roaringkitten said:
Thats a good start. When Jesus took sin upon Himself, ALL your sins were future. Unrepentant sin is future sin(any sin that you commit as a Christian which you haven't repented of is unrepentant sin). All your sins have been dealt with already. Think of it this way. If I was told by my dad not to play ball next to a window and I did it anyway and broke the window, then I would be punished. Punishing me doesnt pay for the window. Punishing is child-training. Neither does my father disown me. If I act bad, I can affect my RELATIONSHIP with my dad but I am still his son.

With God, as Christians, when we sin we affect our relationship with our Father. He will chastise us(not for payment of the sins-since that has already been dealt with on the cross)...This is for child-training to help us conform more like Jesus. Here are some verses:

"And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?" Hebrews 12:5-7

"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John 2:1-2



With our new nature in Christ, we will strive to follow Christ. But we will all have pitfalls along the way. The Holy Spirit has sealed us, we can grieve the Holy Spirit(quench it) as an earthly father grieves when his son disobeys him. Our advocate as Christians is Jesus the righteous. We should strive to obey Christ and repent of sins as Christians. But this has nothing to do with keeping your salvation as God is the one who saved you to begin with and will keep you.
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Think of it this way, you can put money in the bank and no man can steal it or take it away but I can choose to take it all out and close the account and walk away. In that sence our salvation is secure but we can always choose to walk away.
 
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That's what happened to Judas Iscariot. He decided to give up his discipleship , walk away and go and kill himself.
 
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right, right :D

Thats a good start. When Jesus took sin upon Himself, ALL your sins were future. Unrepentant sin is future sin(any sin that you commit as a Christian which you haven't repented of is unrepentant sin). All your sins have been dealt with already. Think of it this way. If I was told by my dad not to play ball next to a window and I did it anyway and broke the window, then I would be punished. Punishing me doesnt pay for the window. Punishing is child-training. Neither does my father disown me. If I act bad, I can affect my RELATIONSHIP with my dad but I am still his son.
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hmm perhaps u didnt read the verse
 
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Abing

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Matthew 12:36-37

But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

don't tell me you're gonna twist this and say,, this is meant for unbelievers only! lol, hmm, then this verse is not for us anymore eh?
 
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LOL! heheh okay, whoever wrote it hehe
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It would have been great if Baptistrw could have told you who authored the book of Hebrews. Maybe he knows but just did not tell you. But if he can't tell you wrote it then he certainly can't tell you who did not. The most popular belief and acceptance among scholars points to Paul. For it to be canonized, it was considered inspired and consistant with the other scriptures, giving them a pretty good idea of the author. It was like a letter with no signatur. They good idea who wrote it because they had seen other letters that were written in the same manner. So you really did not make a mistake and Baptistrw did not really make one either, because no one is absolutely sure.
 
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It would have been great if Baptistrw could have told you who authored the book of Hebrews. Maybe he knows but just did not tell you. But if he can't tell you wrote it then he certainly can't tell you who did not. The most popular belief and acceptance among scholars points to Paul. For it to be canonized, it was considered inspired and consistant with the other scriptures, giving them a pretty good idea of the author. It was like a letter with no signatur. They good idea who wrote it because they had seen other letters that were written in the same manner. So you really did not make a mistake and Baptistrw did not really make one either, because no one is absolutely sure.
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hmmm right, actually when he said it wasnt Paul, i researched it, and the most acceptable guess would be Paul. but yeah we're not sure.
 
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Sorry for any of the spelling and grammatical errors. I was in a bit of a hurry when I wrote it. I also want Baptistrw to know that I believe God is going to use him in a great way, because of his heart toward God. You to Abing, you have a sweet spirit and a heart that matches it and a love for God that can't be denied.
 
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Peter gave specific directions on how to be saved in Acts 2:38, which are the keys of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 16:19).

Key #1, Repent
Key #2. Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins
Key #3. Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 2:38 verifies John 3:5, Matthew 28:19, Colossians 2:8-12. Find a full explanation in my book at www.undersandingthetrinity.com
 
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This is very interesting to me.There are alot of people preaching alot of different ways to reach heaven.They say you do not need Christ to get to heaven,there are other ways.I won't list them all but I know from experience as a former non-believer that trying to figure out right from wrong is difficult.
These false teachers are taking verses and twisting the words around so it seems like their teaching is correct.I have been on many websites(my wife is trying to lock me out of these)and it is very confusing.I have to pick my Bible up and read His word so my mind is clear again.I really feel sorry for people that are trying to figure out the Christian religion.
 
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