There will be no last day judgement for the elect.

[ForestGreenCook]

Those who refuse to be saved do so of their own free will. To enter into hell you must step over the cross of Christ. They do so not of ignorance but of self will.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The natural man, void of the Spirit, will neither accept or reject because he is oblivious to understanding anything of a spiritual nature.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Despite scripture to the contrary you continue to blather on in your error. You cherry pick fragments of scriptures to cobble them together to create a false narrative.

You refuse to learn and continue to endeavor to teach error.

Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

James is writing this letter to the twelve tribes, giving them instructions on what to do to correct their disobedience to God. Most all of the new testament books are letters written to God's children. As I have told you before, anytime scriptures use the words, "repent, confess, accept, believe etc", they have reference to children of God. The natural man will not, and cannot respond in such manner to spiritual things. The only way that you can try to uphold that man has something to do with his eternal salvation is to misinterpret scriptures pertaining to the disobedient children of God.

 

[notuptome]

The natural man, void of the Spirit, will neither accept or reject because he is oblivious to understanding anything of a spiritual nature.

Get the mirror out and look into it. That is precisely what you are doing. Men who are comfortable in their sin turn away from Gods word and the light that the Holy Spirit produces in the heart.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I most certainly do believe that He could save all mankind eternally and it is my sincere hope and prayer that this is what happens.

The only people that God will save eternally are the ones that he gave to Jesus to die for in John 6:37.

 

[notuptome]

James is writing this letter to the twelve tribes, giving them instructions on what to do to correct their disobedience to God. Most all of the new testament books are letters written to God's children. As I have told you before, anytime scriptures use the words, "repent, confess, accept, believe etc", they have reference to children of God. The natural man will not, and cannot respond in such manner to spiritual things. The only way that you can try to uphold that man has something to do with his eternal salvation is to misinterpret scriptures pertaining to the disobedient children of God.

Yet the message is for us today as well. Until you can explains how God can love with a perfect love you will not understand how God does not create some men with the intent of sending them to hell. Correlation is not causation. Because some men reject the gospel does not mean they were created for everlasting destruction.

God makes the rain to fall on the evil as well as the good. You reject Gods word and claim to be spiritual. Sorry but the walk does not match the talk. God describes those as honoring Him with their lips but their hearts are far from Him.

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Get the mirror out and look into it. That is precisely what you are doing. Men who are comfortable in their sin turn away from Gods word and the light that the Holy Spirit produces in the heart.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Christ's doctrine allows far more into heaven than your false doctrine of works, ever could.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Yet the message is for us today as well. Until you can explains how God can love with a perfect love you will not understand how God does not create some men with the intent of sending them to hell. Correlation is not causation. Because some men reject the gospel does not mean they were created for everlasting destruction.

God makes the rain to fall on the evil as well as the good. You reject Gods word and claim to be spiritual. Sorry but the walk does not match the talk. God describes those as honoring Him with their lips but their hearts are far from Him.

Isa 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger, you are still giving me scriptures pertaining to disobedient children of God. Isa 29:13. I suggest you refresh your understanding of 1 Cor 2:14. Does it say that the natural man will draw near to a spiritual God and do honor unto him with their lips and have a fear toward him? God did not create man with the intent of sending them to hell. Man's free will, that you are so proud of, is what sent them to hell. Yes, I believe God left the choice up to man as to how he wants to live his life, but his eternal destination is God's choice. Otherwise the natural man would never choose God. That is why in Eph 1:4 God choose a people before the foundation of the world, if he had not we would all spent eternity in hell.

 

[tourist]

The only people that God will save eternally are the ones that he gave to Jesus to die for in John 6:37.

Maybe the Father gave his son all of the people to die on the cross for.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Roger, you are still giving me scriptures pertaining to disobedient children of God. Isa 29:13. I suggest you refresh your understanding of 1 Cor 2:14. Does it say that the natural man will draw near to a spiritual God and do honor unto him with their lips and have a fear toward him? God did not create man with the intent of sending them to hell. Man's free will, that you are so proud of, is what sent them to hell. Yes, I believe God left the choice up to man as to how he wants to live his life, but his eternal destination is God's choice. Otherwise the natural man would never choose God. That is why in Eph 1:4 God choose a people before the foundation of the world, if he had not we would all spent eternity in hell.

Ps 53:2-3, God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back, they are altogether become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is what God had to choose from, and have his Son to die for to cleans them from their sins, Why he just choose some and not all, I don't know, but that is what Jesus's doctrine taught.

 

[notuptome]

Ps 53:2-3, God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God. Every one of them is gone back, they are altogether become filthy, there is none that doeth good, no, not one. This is what God had to choose from, and have his Son to die for to cleans them from their sins, Why he just choose some and not all, I don't know, but that is what Jesus's doctrine taught.

You could not be more wrong. God loves with at perfect love. God is incapable of loving one sinner more than any other sinner. You cannot understand because you have not partaken of the goodness of God.

You still see yourself as superior to other men. Just like the Pharisees you distain the lost rather than trying to reach them with the gospel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Christ's doctrine allows far more into heaven than your false doctrine of works, ever could.

You are the one talking of works not me. I am talking about the perfect character of God which you are changing into the capricious nature of men.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Maybe the Father gave his son all of the people to die on the cross for.

In John 6:38, Jesus said that he died for all that his Father gave him and he would not lose none of them, not even one, but bring them up at the last day. If God choose all mankind, then all mankind will live in heaven with him and there are too many other scriptures to refute that.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You could not be more wrong. God loves with at perfect love. God is incapable of loving one sinner more than any other sinner. You cannot understand because you have not partaken of the goodness of God.

You still see yourself as superior to other men. Just like the Pharisees you distain the lost rather than trying to reach them with the gospel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Romans 9:11 - For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God, ACCORDING TO ELECTION might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth. It was said unto her, the elder shall serve the younger, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. John 17:2 - As thou has given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou has given him. 2 Thess 1-2, Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you. And that WE MAY BE DELIVERED FROM UNREASONABLE AND WICKED MEN FOR ALL MEN HAVE NOT FAITH. Why would Paul ask his brethren to pray that they would be delivered from men who did not have faith? Is not that the natural man that you would have people pray that you might meet so you could save their souls?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You could not be more wrong. God loves with at perfect love. God is incapable of loving one sinner more than any other sinner. You cannot understand because you have not partaken of the goodness of God.

You still see yourself as superior to other men. Just like the Pharisees you distain the lost rather than trying to reach them with the gospel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If God chastens all those that he loves, why is it that he does not chasten the wicked (natural man, void of the Spirit). Could it be that he does not love some people? Ps 73:5, They are not PLAGUED ( divinely punished ) as other men.

 

[Jackson123]

Forgiveness for the elect was accomplished on the cross. Not at the last day. They stand before God, in his eyes, as wholly and without blame before him in love from that event on the cross.

Forgiveness for the elect was accomplished on the cross. Not at the last day. They stand before God, in his eyes, as wholly and without blame before him in love from that event on the cross.

God die on the cross to forgive the sin, but the verdict is on the last judgement

Here is the procedure.

Gathered all nation ( verse 32)
Divide th goats from sheep (verse 32)

Verdict for the elect (verse 34)



32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:



Verdict for non elect (verse 41)

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

 

[Nehemiah6]

God is judging his elect as they walk their lives here on earth, and chastens them.

I believe you are rather confused about this matter. When God chastens His people, it is not for judgment but it is a process of purification, that they are ultimately conformed to the likeness of Christ. See Hebrews 12.

1. The judgment of those who are believers was applied to the Lamb of God, who suffered and died for the sins of the whole world, but whose finished work applies only to those who have been saved by grace through faith. See Isaiah 53.

2. Children of God will be judged for their works at the Judgment Seat of Christ. There will be rewards or loss of rewards, but their salvation will be secure in Christ.

3. Those who are not saved will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment, and they will be judged (1) for their works and (2) for their presence in or absence from the Lamb's Book of Life. Which means also that there will be degree of punishment in Hell (as supported by other Scriptures).

 

[Nehemiah6]

If God chastens all those that he loves, why is it that he does not chasten the wicked (natural man, void of the Spirit).

Chastening applies to children, not strangers. Parents discipline their own children, not those of others. So God chastens only His children, and those without chastisement must understand that they are not children of God.

Furthermore, God reserves His judgments for the wicked, therefore He allows them to prosper. There are several Psalms which address this issue.

 

[Adstar]

All of the elect are judged, by God's chastening, as we live in this world, so, we are judged by our works, not in order to get to heaven, but because we are his children and he loves us. Somewhere in the scriptures it says those fathers who do not chasten their children, do not love them.

Hebrews 12: KJV
6 "For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. {7} If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? {8} But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. {9} Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?"

Yes God chastens us in this world.. He does allow us to suffer the consequences of our sin actions on this earth.. But that chastening is in the here and now,, on earth in this life.. It does not happen in eternity..

Revelation 3: KJV
19 "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

 

[John146]

I believe the scriptures to teach that God gave man the freedom to choose how he wants to live his life here on earth. Deut 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing, therefore choose life that both thou and thy seed may live. Moses is instructing The nation of Israel before they cross over into the promised land. Deut 7:6 - For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God; the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The life that God is telling them to choose is not eternal life, but the good life that he has promised them if they will follow his commandments. This is the same life he has reference to in Matthew when he talks about the strait gate and the narrow way that leadeth to life and few there be that find it. Joshua made a choice to worship God, so, yes, we are given a free choice, by God, on how we want to live our lives here on earth, but God makes the choice of our eternal destination.

What you're saying...we make the choice and can choose to do good but still go to hell...but we cannot choose Christ to receive forgiveness of sins and go to heaven...that's God choice.

 

[notuptome]

Romans 9:11 - For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God, ACCORDING TO ELECTION might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth. It was said unto her, the elder shall serve the younger, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. John 17:2 - As thou has given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou has given him. 2 Thess 1-2, Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you. And that WE MAY BE DELIVERED FROM UNREASONABLE AND WICKED MEN FOR ALL MEN HAVE NOT FAITH. Why would Paul ask his brethren to pray that they would be delivered from men who did not have faith? Is not that the natural man that you would have people pray that you might meet so you could save their souls?

You are attempting to understand the bible through sound bites. You proof text snippets of scripture and weave them into doctrine that is not doctrine. You are not able to receive strong meat but milk.

You are turning election on it's head to support a behavior that is not taught in the bible. Did God hate Esau? For those who are only reading the surface it certainly would seem so but those who know God know that God loved Esau. God hated what God knew Esau was going to do in relation to his inheritance. Now one using your reasoning might question why God in His Sovereignty did not intervene and cause Esau to patiently wait for his inheritance instead of trading it for a bowl of beans. Jacob tricked Isaac into giving him the blessing due the first born son but God still honored the blessing. So how do we make this simple enough for you to comprehend it? Well God loves sinners. God hates sin but loves the sinner.

God has declared that every soul that sinneth will die. God has also declared that the gift of eternal life is a gift only He can give. Jesus said that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Do you believe Jesus?

For the cause of Christ
Roger