There Will Be No Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Jesus Dissolves It By Fire!

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Truth7t7

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The questions you put out to me before are here in red:

FIRST you need to come to the understanding that there is NO ‘the Antichrist” . The bible mentions antichrist 3 or 4 times, by John and once in Daniel. None of them are capitalized as for a proper name.

ANTICHRIST (ἀντίχριστος,) meaning principally against Christ, or secondarily, instead of, i.e., a substitute or pseudochrist
(in the place of…as the Pope of Rome who claims to be the vicar of Christ….vicar means to stand in place of)
Anyone or group of people who opposes Christ by false teaching, avowing false doctrine, works in any way against the word of God is antichrist……small letters, no caps.
Antiochus Epiphany was one antichrist, among thousands.

I assume you are busy here destroying the meaning of chapter 11.
I am just going to give you a couple of hints on the CORRECT meanings…..the rest of what you wrote is a complete jumble.


1.) The Antichrist Is Revealed In Jerusalem, Proclaiming To The World He Is God Messiah, He Takes His Seat Upon Peace, The 3.5 Year Tribulation Starts
Where in scripture does it say Antichrist is revealed?

2.) The Two Witnesses in Revelation 11 Stand Before The Antichrist For The Entire 3.5 Years, Bringing All Plagues As Often As They Will, A Remake Of Moses/Aaron Against Pharaoh Of Egypt, The Church On Earth Is Divinely Protected.
Also not in scripture, the bible says these two witnesses are standing before the Lord v4
A lot of understanding Revelation is having some sound knowledge of symbolism in old testament….that would have been John’s bible, the only one they had at that time, then they also had the letters of the apostles circulating. That was it.
We are told who the two witnesses are in verse 4…….two witnesses are the 2 lampstands and the 2 olive trees


Lampstands Holy Spirit and the scripture
two olive trees = cultivated olive/Jews and wild olive/Gentiles ( grafted together, they are the church )


3.)The Two Witnesses Finish Their Work And Are Killed In Jerusalem, They Lay In The Street For 3.5 Days, God Calls Them To Heaven, As The Final Hours Of Earth's Existence Unfolds.

HOLD IT RIGHT THERE, I ask you to go to v14 where we are told this is the 2nd WOE. Remember the woes of the seals, bowls and trumpets? The 7th angel sounded in v15 and so on….

The beast is Nero

this then, is a history, not a prophecy.

Where your ideas came from, I have no idea, ....You need a fresh start with no preconceived notions.
You take all that seen in the scripture below and try to (Symbolize) 100% Error

The (Two Witnesses) are literal, that will have literal bodies, that will be literally killed in Jerusalem, and literal human eyes of the world will watch their literal dead bodies lay in a literal street in a literal Jerusalem, they will literally watch them ascend to heaven.

The plagues mentioned in Revelation will be literally brought by these Prophets upon this earth, just as Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-12KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
 

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We are IN the millenial reign.......and the great tribulation is history (Jewish war 67 to 70AD)
The temple was left in rubble. The Christians fled to Pella before the siege of Jerusalem. Pella is in the mountains ("flee to the mountains")

Millenial reign is many thousand years
The Greek word chiloi is transcribed as thousand (seeming to be ONE thousand) when actually chiloi means MANY thousand.
Chilias is the word for a singular thousand.
Jesus Christ Didn't Return In The Clouds Of Heaven, Immediately After A Great Tribulation In 70AD, Now What Ya Gonna Do?

Are You Going To Remove The Verses From Scripture, Or Falsely State It Dosent Represent The (Future) Second Coming?

As Is Clearly Seen, The Teaching Of 70AD Fulfillment Is (False)

(Future Events, Unfulfilled)

1.) AOD Of Daniel, Matt 24:15
2.) Great Tribulation, Matt 24:21
3.) Second Coming, Matt 24:29-30

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 

pottersclay

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Replacement theology.....using the 70 a.d event as the starting of the tribulation rather than the fulfillment of Christ prophecy.
In essence they believe the church supersedes the nation of Israel and replaces Israel.
This is a theology of anti-semitism which was a belief held after the reformation.
Good meaning church father's embraced this theology. Seeing Israel as a failed nation and rebuked by God.
Taking the prophetic scriptures and rearranging there meaning and time line for there understanding is the same as adding and taking away from scripture its self.
Here is the boldness of it all. To say that God is a liar.....a covenant breaker....that he himself divorces Israel and takes on a new bride.
This is why I say this theology is blasphemous.
Had the church father's followed the instructions given to Daniel the prophet and rolled up the scriptures untill understanding was given I believe it would of been better.

Jesus the Christ will come back in the flesh. He will rule with a rod of iron for 1000 yrs. He will sit upon David's throne and all the nation's shall come and worship.
Jesus instructing his apostles on how to pray said....your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Yes the earth will pass away and there will be a new earth. But not before the Lord fulfills his promise to Israel for all to see.
The Lord has spoken it and he will do it.

Potter
 

Truth7t7

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Jesus the Christ will come back in the flesh. He will rule with a rod of iron for 1000 yrs. He will sit upon David's throne and all the nation's shall come and worship.
Jesus Christ Warned The Believers Against Your False Teaching.

Jesus Christ Won't Be Found (Any Where) On This Existing Earth!

Your Teaching Is Preparing The Way For The Future Antichrist, Who Will Have Rulership In A Future Jerusalem, Scary!

(Believe It Not) (Go Not Forth)

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
 

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You take all that seen in the scripture below and try to (Symbolize) 100% Error

The (Two Witnesses) are literal, that will have literal bodies, that will be literally killed in Jerusalem, and literal human eyes of the world will watch their literal dead bodies lay in a literal street in a literal Jerusalem, they will literally watch them ascend to heaven.

The plagues mentioned in Revelation will be literally brought by these Prophets upon this earth, just as Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt

Revelation 11:3-12KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Then we are done. You are so far off base there is no way to deal with all your error.
 

Truth7t7

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Then we are done. You are so far off base there is no way to deal with all your error.
Perhaps Moses/Aaron were symbolic characters, and the plagues brought upon Egypt were also? :)

P.S. Don't forget to respond to my other post, and your claimed 70AD Great Tribulation, With Jesus Christ returning Immediately After This Tribulation, that is currently 1950+ years and waiting?
 

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Jesus Christ Warned The Believers Against Your False Teaching.

Jesus Christ Won't Be Found (Any Where) On This Existing Earth!

Your Teaching Is Preparing The Way For The Future Antichrist, Who Will Have Rulership In A Future Jerusalem, Scary!

(Believe It Not) (Go Not Forth)

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Exactly, our duty to inform Israel he will not be found on this earth for his appearing will be in the clouds.
That Jesus is their Messiah. Our savior.
 

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Where do you see Ezekiel 40's temple fit into these events?
 

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Where do you see Ezekiel 40's temple fit into these events?
Here's an answer:
It will be built by the faithful Israelites of God, by the Overcomers for Him; as we see in each of the seven Churchs of Revelation 2 & 3.
This will happen at least 7 years before Jesus Returns, because the new Temple will be there when the 'beast' of Revelation 13:1-8, conquers the holy people, who are every faithful Christian; from every tribe, race, nation and language, then living in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land.
 

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Where do you see Ezekiel 40's temple fit into these events?
Don't Be Deceived

1.) As is clearly seen in Ez 40:1-2 below, the vision of the temple was given to Ezekiel in the 25th year of the Babylonian Captivity

2.) As is clearly seen Ezekiel was instructed to show this temple to the house of Israel (In The Captivity)

3.) As is clearly seen, God gave instruction that their be (Blood Sacrifice For Sin)

The Temple Seen In Ezekiel Chapters 40-43 Is Nothing More Than The 2nd Zerubbabel Temple Built After The Babylonian Captivity In 536BC

There Is No Future Blood Sacrifice For Sin, Jesus Christ Paid The Price On Calvary (Once) For The Sins Of The World, Animal Sacrifice For Sin Has Been Abolished!

Ezekiel 40:1-2
1 In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the Lord was upon me, and brought me thither.
2 In the visions of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south.

Ezekiel 43:1-11 & 18-21KJV
10 Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern.
11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.

18 And he said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord God; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon.
19 And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto me, saith the Lord God, a young bullock for a sin offering.
20 And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it.
21 Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary.
22 And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock.
 

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No, This happens in Rev 21. This is after Millennium of Rev 20.
You have been taught (Dispensationalism's) lies.

The Earth is DISSOlVED by Fire at the (Appearance) of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ will (Appear) "Immediately After The Tribulation"

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
 

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The Earth is DISSOlVED by Fire at the (Appearance) of Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ will (Appear) "Immediately After The Tribulation"
That this wild assertion is completely wrong, is proved by how every eye will see Jesus Return. Revelation 1:7 And all the peoples of the world will lament in remorse.
So then does Jesus kill them all? What nonsense!
Teaching this sort of unbiblical fiction, is a very serious matter and you should take more care to be what your forum name means.
 

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That this wild assertion is completely wrong, is proved by how every eye will see Jesus Return. Revelation 1:7 And all the peoples of the world will lament in remorse.
So then does Jesus kill them all? What nonsense!
Teaching this sort of unbiblical fiction, is a very serious matter and you should take more care to be what your forum name means.
Don't look like biblical fiction to me, the Lord Jesus Christ returns in fire and final judgement, dissolving this existing earth

Whole bunch of fire going on in the scriptures below, biblical fiction, (Real Big Smiles)!


This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved
, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God
, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

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Here's an answer:
It will be built by the faithful Israelites of God, by the Overcomers for Him; as we see in each of the seven Churchs of Revelation 2 & 3.
This will happen at least 7 years before Jesus Returns, because the new Temple will be there when the 'beast' of Revelation 13:1-8, conquers the holy people, who are every faithful Christian; from every tribe, race, nation and language, then living in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land.
I agree, as Ezekiel 46's prince residing in his palace, ruling over restored Israel is a Davidic human, with sons, and worships God's shekinah residing in Ezekiel 40's temple.

At this stage Yeshua ha'Maschiach / Jesus the Messiah is residing at the right hand of the Father, to descend to earth only at the rapture, following the great tribulation / anti-Messiah reign - to destroy the old, and recreate a new heaven and earth.

The 3.5 year anti-Messiah reign will be at the end of time, and he will be a descendant of Ezekiel 46's prince (like Solomon was a descendant of David and he received 666 talents of gold from the Israelites in a year) - who will elevate himself to God to go into the temple and declare himself as a god to be worshipped.

Ezekiel 46 (ESV)

18 The prince shall not take any of the inheritance of the people, thrusting them out of their property. He shall give his sons their inheritance out of his own property, so that none of my people shall be scattered from his property." 19 Then he brought me through the entrance, which was at the side of the gate, to the north row of the holy chambers for the priests, and behold, a place was there at the extreme western end of them. 20 And he said to me, "This is the place where the priests shall boil the guilt offering and the sin offering, and where they shall bake the grain offering, in order not to bring them out into the outer court and so transmit holiness to the people."
 

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Will Zion (jews/Judah house of David, not the remainder of the twelve tribes of Israel / Church - who knows we have pierced Yeshua ha'Maschiach / Jesus the Messiah) mourn for the one we have pierced, before Ezekiel 37's restoration of Israel:


Zechariah 12 (ESV)


10 "And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.

As in Ezekiel 37 Yeshua ha'Maschiach / Jesus the Messiah, under his Kingship from heaven, gives an earthly prince and unites earthly Judah with the other tribes represented by the Church / Ephraim / Joseph who was banished into Egypt and lost their identity as Israel:


Ezekiel 37 (ESV)


16 "Son of man, take a stick and write on it, 'For Judah, and the people of Israel associated with him'; then take another stick and write on it, 'For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the house of Israel associated with him.' 17 And join them one to another into one stick, that they may become one in your hand.

So Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah, the new covenant, came to break the curse, of God's covenant people under the old covenant that Israel / God's Church (Church = assembly) throughout the ages, has broken:


Deuteronomy 28 (ESV)


64 "And the Lord will scatter you among all peoples, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you shall serve other gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known.


Jeremiah 31 (ESV)


20 Is Ephraim my dear son? Is he my darling child? For as often as I speak against him, I do remember him still. Therefore my heart yearns for him; I will surely have mercy on him, declares the Lord.
21 "Set up road markers for yourself; make yourself guideposts; consider well the highway, the road by which you went. Return, O virgin Israel, return to these your cities.
22 How long will you waver, O faithless daughter? For the Lord has created a new thing on the earth: a woman encircles a man." 23 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: "Once more they shall use these words in the land of Judah and in its cities, when I restore their fortunes: "'The Lord bless you, O habitation of righteousness, O holy hill!' 24 And Judah and all its cities shall dwell there together, and the farmers and those who wander with their flocks.

29 In those days they shall no longer say: "'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.' 30 But everyone shall die for his own iniquity. Each man who eats sour grapes, his teeth shall be set on edge.
31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more." 35 Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the Lord of hosts is his name: 36 "If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the Lord, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever."