= ) I'm not trying to "over think it".
I'm trying to ascertain what *you* do with certain scriptures... like:
--"and we which are
ALIVE and remain unto..." [the point in time this is speaking to],
1Th4, because so far in our discussion, the only thing you seem to be acknowledging is "bodily RESURRECTION [
from the dead]"--but what about the "
still-living" ones [believers] at the time being spoken of, which is also what the following verses speak to:
--"
this MORTAL must put on
immortality,"
1Cor15 (whereas the
other phrase in this text refers to "the DEAD in Christ"/"who SLEEP through Jesus"); and "but clothed-upon [i.e. glorified bodies] *that*
MORTALITY might be SWALLOWED UP *OF LIFE*,"
2Cor5
(both of these latter verses speaking of the "
still-living" ones [believers] at the time-slot being spoken of [the time of "our Rapture" (when we are "changed"/glorified bodies)--which, btw, "rapture" also INCLUDES the members of the Church which is His body WHO'VE DIED before that point, who will indeed be "bodily resurrected"
just prior to our being "caught up [G726] TOGETHER... to the meeting of the Lord IN THE AIR"];
but in the verses I'm bringing forward at the moment,
these in particular speak only of that portion of the One Body who will be "
still-ALIVE" at the time being spoken of.)
Jesus said all will be raised up. 1thess4:13 describes what happens to Christians who had already died in the first century,
And that 1Th4 passage speaks to more than just those who've
DIED.
Right?
Rev.tells us what happens at the Great White Throne.
What I see in that passage is, that it is about "
the dead" (i.e. the unsaved "dead" of all times) being "delivered up" (for the SECOND of the
TWO "PUNISH" words in the Isaiah 24:21,22b[,23]; which passage perfectly parallels the
SEQUENCE ALSO found in Rev19 & 20--that is, BOTH this Isaiah passage and Rev passages have
TWO JUDGMENTS
separated by (some) TIME, which the "Amill-teaching" does not acknowledge, in either of these passages):
--Rev19:19,21 / 16:14-16 / [20:5a]
= Isaiah 24:21's
FIRST of TWO "PUNISH" words in this Isa passage (at His Second Coming to the earth / Armageddon time-slot);
--Rev20:11-15 (GWTj)
= Isaiah 24:22b's
SECOND "PUNISH" word (separated by TIME, from that of the FIRST mention of "PUNISH" in this Isa passage)
Mt 13 says it is the end of the world.
"the end [singular] of the age [singular]"...
... which is followed by what HE HAD JUST TALKED ABOUT in 12:32 "the age [singular] to come," which His disciples UNDERSTOOD to mean (what we now call) "the MK AGE" (earthly-located)
Why try and invent other things to fit into some wild speculation.
Not trying to "invent other things"...
... trying to READ the Bible and understand it...
... and also trying to understand how *you* are seeing these various passages, or... not. lol
Job.19:25
Job 19:25
For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
Yes, Job even understood that his "redeemer" (Jesus) will STAND UPON THE EARTH in the last day (the last millennium). = )
And that he would be bodily-resurrected to see Him for himself (on the earth). Job understood this;
Daniel was also promised this (Dan12:13);
and Martha also well-knew this (Jn11:24 "I KNOW," she said);
just as ALL OT saints also WELL KNEW.
(This is even what Jn8:56 is speaking to, so Abraham
well-knew it too!)
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So when Paul said (to the Church which is His body), "Behold, I
SHEW you A MYSTERY" ("mystery"--something "as yet" unrevealed / undisclosed, but is NOW being revealed, via Paul [from the ascended/exalted Christ])... and then says, "
THIS mortal" (referring specifically to the "STILL-ALIVE" members of the One Body), and "
THIS corruptible" (referring specifically to "the DEAD in Christ" members of the One Body), he is not just simply
repeating what all OT saints already WELL-KNEW (which had ALREADY BEEN made known in OT times).
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Anyway, I appreciate the discussion. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. = )