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I gave you the Post Number and page Number.

WE BELIEVE THE TEMPLE BELONGS IN THE CITY OF DAVID. Temple Mount would start a war. NO PALESTINIAN has any claim in the City of David.
As usual.

they can’t listen to actual people

all they can do is listen to what they hve been taught.

Anyone who has seen the pictures of “the rock” if they opened their minds. Would know there is no way possible that was a threshing floor. That totally rules that site out as the Temple Mount. Period

Its also obvious they have not listened or watched the video’s so everything they say is based on a false idea of what we are saying, which destroys any attempt at conversation
 
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Or Judas heard Jesus say that not one stone would be left on another and in Matthew 24:3 witnessed them ask what was the sign of his coming(first/only one they knew of), to rule from that throne and Temple he had just said would be destroyed instead. Maybe he(Judas) no longer saw Jesus as the Messiah as the others did after he died https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+24:21&version=KJV
Remember back in John 6. Jesus declared Judas an unbeliever
 
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Or Judas heard Jesus say that not one stone would be left on another and in Matthew 24:3 witnessed them ask what was the sign of his coming(first/only one they knew of), to rule from that throne and Temple he had just said would be destroyed instead. Maybe he(Judas) no longer saw Jesus as the Messiah as the others did after he died https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+24:21&version=KJV
Judas of the new reformed order like Dan from the Old testament were both set aside to be used in parables to help understand the mystery of the bride. The wife of Christ. She is made up of Jews the old testament and gentiles the new.

I think the use of Judas missing from the Revelation account like Dan was to represent the spirit of Judgment as in: "I never knew you depart from me you worker of iniquity" .
 
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Amo 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.
So this cancels lev 26? And Gen 15 and 17? Even though gobs of OT said God would remember his promise in Lev 26 and withhold it? Paul even mentioning it in not so many words in Rom 11?
 

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I tried to look up what he said using the post number but a subject title is required unless I am doing something wrong.

For the Israelis, that history begins 3,000 years ago, when the Temple Mount—believed by many biblical scholars to be the mountain in the region of Moriah mentioned in the Book of Genesis—was an irregularly shaped mound rising some 2,440 feet among the stark Judean Hills. The summit loomed above a small settlement called Jebus, which clung to a ridge surrounded by ravines. The Old Testament describes how an army led by David, the second king of ancient Israel, breached the walls of Jebus around 1000 B.C. David then built a palace nearby and created his capital, Jerusalem. At the site of a threshing floor atop the mountain, where farmers had separated grains from chaff, David constructed a sacrificial altar. According to the Second Book of Kings and the First Book of Chronicles, David’s son, Solomon, built the First Temple (later known as the Beit Hamikdash) on that site.

“The Temple Mount was the Parthenon of the Jews,” says Barkay, describing how worshipers would have climbed a steep set of stairs to get to it. “You would feel every step of the climb in your limbs and your lungs.”
Still, “we know nothing about the First Temple, because there are no traces of its physical remains,” says Benjamin Kedar, a history professor at Hebrew University and chairman of the board of directors at the IAA. Scholars, however, have pieced together a tentative portrait of the Beit Hamikdash from descriptions in the Bible and architectural remains of sanctuaries elsewhere in the region built during the same era. It is envisioned as a complex of richly painted and gilded courts, constructed with cedar, fir and sandalwood. The rooms would have been built around an inner sanctum—the Holy of Holies—where the ark of the covenant, an acacia-wood chest covered with gold and containing the original Ten Commandments, was said to have been stored.
This is part of a large artical about how Isrealites are sifting through what the Muslims are digging out from under the Temple Mount and dumping it in the Kidron Valley and finding archaeological proof that the true location of the Temple Mount is in Jerusalem. Not the City of David. How can you dismiss these archaeological finds???
Here are a few of the finds that prove Jerusalem is the true location of the Temple mount.

Following is a list of some selected artifacts from among many others:
Temple Warning Inscription
– In 1871, French archaeologist Clermont-Ganneau found a Greek inscription warning gentiles not to enter further into the temple compound. These kind of inscriptions were also witnessed by the 1st century CE historian, Josephus Flavius (War 5, v, 2; War 6, ii, 4; Antiquities 15, xi, 5).

The Beit Hatekia Inscription –
Archaeologist Prof. Benjamin Mazar in 1972 found this Hebrew inscription which had fallen from the south-western corner of the Temple Mount and was found in the rubble being excavated by archaeologists excavating nearby. The stone carries the inscription “lebeit hatekia lehakhriz” which means “to the house of the blowing of the trumpet to announce.” Jewish historians and rabbinical sources described the custom of blowing the trumpets from the Temple Mount in order to announce the time of the sabbath and sacred holy days (Sukka 5: 5; Babylonian Talmud Shabat 35: 2; Tosefta Sukka 4; Wars IV, X, 12).

DKA LYH seal –
In 2011, Archaeologist Eli Shukrun found a tiny fired clay object stamped with an inscription consisting of the Hebrew letters דכא ליה (“DKA LYH” or ”Deka Leyah”) in a drainage tunnel at the foot of the southern end of the Western Wall. Talmudic scholar, Prof. Shlomo Naeh, convincingly showed that this is a unique object that was used as a token / voucher that enabled the Temple administrator priests to keep track of commerce related to sacrificial offerings. This practice is documented in the Mishna, the first written redaction of Jewish Oral Law dating to around 200 CE (Shekalim 5: 3-5). The inscription upon the seal marks the type of sacrifice: “Dekhar” (ram), “Aleph” (first day of the week) and “Yehoyariv” (one of the twenty-four priestly families who worked shifts in the Temple).

High Priest Golden Bell
– In the same excavation at the drainage tunnel by Eli Shukrun, a golden bell was found dating to the Second Temple period. There is no precedent for this artifact from any excavation in Israel. Our only knowledge of such an object is from the biblical description of the bells sewn to the garment worn by the high priest (Ex. 28:33-34).
 

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God can save a Jew by creating a new creature just as easily as a gentile.

The two witnesses are here (the law and prophets) Typified by Moses and Elias .They will be silenced for a while while God sends a famine for hearing His word the gospel of his salvation.

The parable in Luke 16 speaks directly to that kind of idea of Jewish men dying and then coming back to life.As if salvation had something to with corrupted flesh of any nation . Jesus said his flesh profits for nothing. That must mean something?

If men do not believe Moses and the prophets (sola scriptura) than neither would they if someone raised from the dead.

Luke 16: 29-31 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Both Jewish flesh and gentile flesh have nothing to do with salvation .God is simply not serve by the corruptible hands of men. We are waiting for our new incorruptible bodies. They will be neither Jew or gentile, male nor female .The kingdom comes not by observing the temporal things.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
I disagree. There are still two prophecies about two men that have not been fulfilled yet.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
In Dan 12:13 the word "Rest" is translated from the word "Sleep" and the word "Lot" is speaking about Daniels God job and Daniel was a prophet who communicated the words of God to the people. Which tell us that Daniel will return and speak the words of God at the end of days which has not happened yet.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
This prophecy about John also has never been fulfilled.
I believe that the two witnessess are John the Revelator and Daniel.
 
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Ezekiel's Temple dimensions are incomplete. All height dimensions are missing except for the two front pillars. This means only God can build it. It symbolizes the Temple built without hands. This is Jesus, the temple made without hands where God dwells.

Ezekiel's Temple is supernatural too. A trickle of water proceeds from it and grows into a river. This symbolizes Christ multiplying the loaves and fishes a few times. And creating seeing eyes from the mud. And the rivers of living water flowing from his body of believers. It is sinful to think the animal atonement for sin would replace Christ's atonement when taken literally. Ezekiel's Temple symbolizes Jesus and reappears in Revelation depicting the same.
 
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I tried to look up what he said using the post number but a subject title is required unless I am doing something wrong.

For the Israelis, that history begins 3,000 years ago, when the Temple Mount—believed by many biblical scholars to be the mountain in the region of Moriah mentioned in the Book of Genesis—was an irregularly shaped mound rising some 2,440 feet among the stark Judean Hills. The summit loomed above a small settlement called Jebus, which clung to a ridge surrounded by ravines. The Old Testament describes how an army led by David, the second king of ancient Israel, breached the walls of Jebus around 1000 B.C. David then built a palace nearby and created his capital, Jerusalem. At the site of a threshing floor atop the mountain, where farmers had separated grains from chaff, David constructed a sacrificial altar. According to the Second Book of Kings and the First Book of Chronicles, David’s son, Solomon, built the First Temple (later known as the Beit Hamikdash) on that site.

“The Temple Mount was the Parthenon of the Jews,” says Barkay, describing how worshipers would have climbed a steep set of stairs to get to it. “You would feel every step of the climb in your limbs and your lungs.”
Still, “we know nothing about the First Temple, because there are no traces of its physical remains,” says Benjamin Kedar, a history professor at Hebrew University and chairman of the board of directors at the IAA. Scholars, however, have pieced together a tentative portrait of the Beit Hamikdash from descriptions in the Bible and architectural remains of sanctuaries elsewhere in the region built during the same era. It is envisioned as a complex of richly painted and gilded courts, constructed with cedar, fir and sandalwood. The rooms would have been built around an inner sanctum—the Holy of Holies—where the ark of the covenant, an acacia-wood chest covered with gold and containing the original Ten Commandments, was said to have been stored.
This is part of a large artical about how Isrealites are sifting through what the Muslims are digging out from under the Temple Mount and dumping it in the Kidron Valley and finding archaeological proof that the true location of the Temple Mount is in Jerusalem. Not the City of David. How can you dismiss these archaeological finds???
Here are a few of the finds that prove Jerusalem is the true location of the Temple mount.

Following is a list of some selected artifacts from among many others:
Temple Warning Inscription
– In 1871, French archaeologist Clermont-Ganneau found a Greek inscription warning gentiles not to enter further into the temple compound. These kind of inscriptions were also witnessed by the 1st century CE historian, Josephus Flavius (War 5, v, 2; War 6, ii, 4; Antiquities 15, xi, 5).

The Beit Hatekia Inscription –
Archaeologist Prof. Benjamin Mazar in 1972 found this Hebrew inscription which had fallen from the south-western corner of the Temple Mount and was found in the rubble being excavated by archaeologists excavating nearby. The stone carries the inscription “lebeit hatekia lehakhriz” which means “to the house of the blowing of the trumpet to announce.” Jewish historians and rabbinical sources described the custom of blowing the trumpets from the Temple Mount in order to announce the time of the sabbath and sacred holy days (Sukka 5: 5; Babylonian Talmud Shabat 35: 2; Tosefta Sukka 4; Wars IV, X, 12).

DKA LYH seal –
In 2011, Archaeologist Eli Shukrun found a tiny fired clay object stamped with an inscription consisting of the Hebrew letters דכא ליה (“DKA LYH” or ”Deka Leyah”) in a drainage tunnel at the foot of the southern end of the Western Wall. Talmudic scholar, Prof. Shlomo Naeh, convincingly showed that this is a unique object that was used as a token / voucher that enabled the Temple administrator priests to keep track of commerce related to sacrificial offerings. This practice is documented in the Mishna, the first written redaction of Jewish Oral Law dating to around 200 CE (Shekalim 5: 3-5). The inscription upon the seal marks the type of sacrifice: “Dekhar” (ram), “Aleph” (first day of the week) and “Yehoyariv” (one of the twenty-four priestly families who worked shifts in the Temple).

High Priest Golden Bell
– In the same excavation at the drainage tunnel by Eli Shukrun, a golden bell was found dating to the Second Temple period. There is no precedent for this artifact from any excavation in Israel. Our only knowledge of such an object is from the biblical description of the bells sewn to the garment worn by the high priest (Ex. 28:33-34).
You should listen to the videos. It goes over the things you posted here in great detail. Rough the word of God and historical writings of those who were there.
 

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I tried to look up what he said using the post number but a subject title is required unless I am doing something wrong.

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All you do is Click on the ... (three dots) and then type the Page Number in where Drop Box comes down from the 3 dots in the page number line. THAT IS A TWISTED ABSOLUTE LIE, (by my Experience) is on Page 29, and over to upper right are the Post # number. So you scroll down to Post #571. Or you could back up to Post #571 if you would like. I apologize that I did not put the Page number on my original post, I meant to.
 
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Ok
Not sure if you are born again.
If not then I apologize.
I normally address a unbeliever differently than a believer because some of the bride groom components are not expected to be ones "center" at all.
I think even if I were fully in the church today I still wouldn't have a clue what you're talking about there.
 

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All you do is Click on the ... (three dots) and then type the Page Number in where Drop Box comes down from the 3 dots in the page number line. THAT IS A TWISTED ABSOLUTE LIE, (by my Experience) is on Page 29, and over to upper right are the Post # number. So you scroll down to Post #571. Or you could back up to Post #571 if you would like. I apologize that I did not put the Page number on my original post, I meant to.
Ok so I found the post. Thanks for helping. Dave-l's post led me to a web site that did indeed say that folks like George Bush and others in power including John Hagee actually believed that fomenting war in the middle east, invade Iran as well as other countries that it would bring on a third world war.
Below is something I copied from the web site.
Millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.
According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.” Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…
There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.
And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:
“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”
Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…
Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.
Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture.
This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies.

I have no respect for Tim LaHay or Jerry Jinkins and I have limited respect for John Hagee because they teach and preach what I consider to be false doctrinal teaching. Because of their nature the Left Behind books are always in the SiFi section of any book store and John Hagee and others who were affiliates of Cloud Ten production company helped to put together the famous series and
I believe they used subliminal advertising/ witch craft to promote the movies and in those days there were actually millions of Christians around the world who were very focused on every word that came out of John Hagee's mouth.

Again I see the word "want" on that web site telling those who visited the site that Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III .... Wanting something is not the same thing as teaching something and as it turns out Dave_L wasn't telling a lie, he was repeating something he had read. I would never have posted that sort of thing because it's not the way God would want us to think or pursue because that would be jumping ahead of God and trying to do His work for Him and I know that sort of thing will get us into trouble with God.
In the late 70"s and the 80's John Hagee, Jack Van Impy, Hale Lindsey and I have read one of John Hagee's books and that was all I needed to read to know he was not preaching true biblical interpretation and I used to watch Jack Van Impy ad Hal lindsey. Those guys and many more have been preaching dooms day for 40 years making millions off of believers and deceiving them at the same time. I heard Rexella once say " You better hurry and buy Jacks latest book before the Rapture comes". Can you imagine that???
Using the "up coming rapture" to sell books. At that time Jack Van Impy was teaching that the Rapture was coming any day even though there were prophecies that were supposed to be fulfilled before the return of Christ.
 
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I disagree. There are still two prophecies about two men that have not been fulfilled yet.
Dan 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
In Dan 12:13 the word "Rest" is translated from the word "Sleep" and the word "Lot" is speaking about Daniels God job and Daniel was a prophet who communicated the words of God to the people. Which tell us that Daniel will return and speak the words of God at the end of days which has not happened yet.
Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
This prophecy about John also has never been fulfilled.
I believe that the two witnessess are John the Revelator and Daniel.
Hi thanks for the reply.

I would disagree. The two names used to represent the one witness of God not the witnesses of men as private interpretation. are Moses to represent the letter of the law "death". and Elisa as the prophets to signify the unseen power of the law as the unseen law of faith . They work together to create one new perfect law.

The just typified by Moses and the justified by Elias .

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Peter repetitively misunderstood the parable and wanted to build shrines .God whose name is Jealous (he alone owns all things) would not share the work of the two, Father and Son, with the prophets as witnesses of men not . ..refusing to give glory to flesh and blood. (Moses and Elias)

Christ continued to use parables until he left in a hope the apostles would learn how to walk by faith the un-seen eternal .we are all on a learning curve in that way it would seem

Matthew 17 King James Version (KJV) And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.

If mankind does hear both (sola scriptura the law and the prophets ) the whole council then even if one arose from the dead they would not believe the gospel .

Faith does not come by seeing the temporal things.

The same kind of idea found in the Luke 16 parables. The rich man sought after a alternive source of faith loking to the witness of men .But found out there is no alternative source of faith for hearing God other than the two witnesses of God Moses and the prophets. Elisa used to represent the prophets as the power of God .

Luke 16 :31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
 

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Hi thanks for the reply.

I would disagree. The two names used to represent the one witness of God not the witnesses of men as private interpretation. are Moses to represent the letter of the law "death". and Elisa as the prophets to signify the unseen power of the law as the unseen law of faith . They work together to create one new perfect law.

Yes a lot of folks believe that Moses and Elias (I.E. the law and order) but there is no prophetic scripture pointing to them as being the two witnesses and no biblical proof they will be. Many folks believe that it will be Enoch and Elias because they didn't die and were taken up but here is a curve ball. There is no biblical record of the death of Ezra. He just disappears from scripture. But in the Apocryphal books still in the Catholic bible Esdras doesn't die either. He is taken up to heaven. I am not saying that I believe Ezra and Esdras ARE one and the same person, I am saying that I suspect that they are and that Ezra/Esdras might have also been taken up before death because there is no record of the death of Ezra in our Bible. Unless I simply missed the recorded event altogether several times and there is a record of the death of Ezra. ???
And this thing about two witness as actually being only one witness??? How can you say that when scripture is very clear about the fact that there will be two witnesses.
Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Here is a little bit of what some research will tell you about Ezra and Esdras.

1 Esdras[edit]
1 Esdras, probably from the late 2nd/early 1st centuries BCE, preserves a Greek text of Ezra and a part of Nehemiah distinctly different from that of Ezra–Nehemiah – in particular it eliminates Nehemiah from the story and gives some of his deeds to Ezra, as well as telling events in a different order. Scholars are divided on whether it is based on Ezra–Nehemiah, or reflects an earlier literary stage before the combination of Ezra and Nehemiah accounts.

Josephus[edit]
The first-century Jewish historian Josephus deals with Ezra in his Antiquities of the Jews. He uses the name Xerxes for Artaxerxes I reserving the name Artaxerxes for the later Artaxerxes II whom he identifies as the Ahasuerus of Esther, thus placing Ezra before the events of the book of Esther. Josephus's account of the deeds of Ezra derives entirely from 1 Esdras, which he cites as the 'Book of Ezra' in his numeration of the Hebrew bible. Contrariwise, Josephus does not appear to recognise Ezra-Nehemiah as a biblical book, does not quote from it, and relies entirely on other traditions in his account of the deeds of Nehemiah.

The apocalyptic Ezra traditions[edit]
The apocalyptic fourth book of Ezra (also sometimes called the 'second book of Esdras' or the 'third book of Esdras') was written c. CE 100, probably in Hebrew-Aramaic, but now survives in Latin, Slavonic and Ethiopic. It was one of the most important sources for Jewish theology at the end of the 1st century.[citation needed] In this book, Ezra has a seven part prophetic revelation, converses with an angel of God three times and has four visions. Ezra, thirty years into the Babylonian Exile (4 Ezra 3:1 / 2 Esdras 1:1), recounts the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of Solomon's Temple.[5] This would place these revelations in the year 557 BCE, a full century before the date given in the canonical Ezra. The central theological themes are "the question of theodicy, God's justness in the face of the triumph of the heathens over the pious, the course of world history in terms of the teaching of the four kingdoms,[11] the function of the law, the eschatological judgment, the appearance on Earth of the heavenly Jerusalem, the Messianic Period, at the end of which the Messiah will die,[12] the end of this world and the coming of the next, and the Last Judgment."[5] Ezra restores the law that was destroyed with the burning of the Temple in Jerusalem. He dictates 24 books for the public (i.e. the Hebrew Bible) and another 70 for the wise alone (70 unnamed revelatory works).[13] At the end, he is taken up to heaven like Enoch and Elijah.[5] Ezra is seen as a new Moses in this book.[5]

There is also another work, thought to be influenced by this one, known as the Greek Apocalypse of Ezra.
 
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Ok so I found the post. Thanks for helping. Dave-l's post led me to a web site that did indeed say that folks like George Bush and others in power including John Hagee actually believed that fomenting war in the middle east, invade Iran as well as other countries that it would bring on a third world war.
Below is something I copied from the web site.
Millions of Americans believe that Christ will not come again until Israel wipes out its competitors and there is widespread war in the Middle East. Some of these folks want to start a huge fire of war and death and destruction, so that Jesus comes quickly.
According to French President Chirac, Bush told him that the Iraq war was needed to bring on the apocalypse:
In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.” Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac:
“This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”…
There can be little doubt now that President Bush’s reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam’s Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord.
And British Prime Minister Tony Blair long-time mentor, advisor and confidante said:
“Tony’s Christian faith is part of him, down to his cotton socks. He believed strongly at the time, that intervention in Kosovo, Sierra Leone – Iraq too – was all part of the Christian battle; good should triumph over evil, making lives better.”
Mr Burton, who was often described as Mr Blair’s mentor, says that his religion gave him a “total belief in what’s right and what’s wrong”, leading him to see the so-called War on Terror as “a moral cause”…
Anti-war campaigners criticised remarks Mr Blair made in 2006, suggesting that the decision to go to war in Iraq would ultimately be judged by God.
Bill Moyers reports that the organization Christians United for Israel – led by highly-influential Pastor John C. Hagee – is a universal call to all Christians to help factions in Israel fund the Jewish settlements, throw out all the Palestinians and lobby for a pre-emptive invasion of Iran. All to bring Russia into a war against us causing World War III followed by Armageddon, the Second Coming and The Rapture.
This all revolves around what is called Dispensationalism. So popular is Dispensationalism that Tim LaHaye’s Left Behind series has sold 65 million copies.

I have no respect for Tim LaHay or Jerry Jinkins and I have limited respect for John Hagee because they teach and preach what I consider to be false doctrinal teaching. Because of their nature the Left Behind books are always in the SiFi section of any book store and John Hagee and others who were affiliates of Cloud Ten production company helped to put together the famous series and
I believe they used subliminal advertising/ witch craft to promote the movies and in those days there were actually millions of Christians around the world who were very focused on every word that came out of John Hagee's mouth.

Again I see the word "want" on that web site telling those who visited the site that Millions of Evangelical Christians Want to Start World War III .... Wanting something is not the same thing as teaching something and as it turns out Dave_L wasn't telling a lie, he was repeating something he had read. I would never have posted that sort of thing because it's not the way God would want us to think or pursue because that would be jumping ahead of God and trying to do His work for Him and I know that sort of thing will get us into trouble with God.
In the late 70"s and the 80's John Hagee, Jack Van Impy, Hale Lindsey and I have read one of John Hagee's books and that was all I needed to read to know he was not preaching true biblical interpretation and I used to watch Jack Van Impy ad Hal lindsey. Those guys and many more have been preaching dooms day for 40 years making millions off of believers and deceiving them at the same time. I heard Rexella once say " You better hurry and buy Jacks latest book before the Rapture comes". Can you imagine that???
Using the "up coming rapture" to sell books. At that time Jack Van Impy was teaching that the Rapture was coming any day even though there were prophecies that were supposed to be fulfilled before the return of Christ.
Under your reasoning every book could be made to look evil.
Just connect the dots to make it happen.
 

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This 12 minute and 41 seconds Video, IS THE DEFINITIVE VIDEO, of Proof that the Temple Belongs in the City of DAVID. He packs more info in this little over 12 minutes, than most do in an hour long video. Yes, I encourage you to watch all the videos I Posted, but earlier video have been removed. I do not know why, but it could be because they did not renew their certificate, or Maybe because the Jewish Government want the removed because it was upsetting the Jews, suggesting they were praying at the Western Wall of Fortress Antonia.

Here has proof from a Historian, that it was the western wall of Fortress Antonia, as well as proof from the BIBLE that the City of David, near the Southern part of the Ophel, next door to Kind David's Palace, just to the south. ENJOY!


 

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This 12 minute and 41 seconds Video, IS THE DEFINITIVE VIDEO, of Proof that the Temple Belongs in the City of DAVID. He packs more info in this little over 12 minutes, than most do in an hour long video. Yes, I encourage you to watch all the videos I Posted, but earlier video have been removed. I do not know why, but it could be because they did not renew their certificate, or Maybe because the Jewish Government want the removed because it was upsetting the Jews, suggesting they were praying at the Western Wall of Fortress Antonia.

Here has proof from a Historian, that it was the western wall of Fortress Antonia, as well as proof from the BIBLE that the City of David, near the Southern part of the Ophel, next door to Kind David's Palace, just to the south. ENJOY!


That was very interesting...
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