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These verses are why I believe in Matthew 24 it reveals we will go through the Tribulation. It claims in Matthew 24 that at the end of Tribulation to look up and watch the sky for the Son of Man (Jesus) will come as lightning.
I believe that 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 confirms this:
“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)
Pre-Trib rapture is an idea less than 150 years old created by someone who many of his time thought he was a heretic. That means the Church Fathers did not buy such malarkey and neither should we!
I believe that 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 confirms this:
“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)
Pre-Trib rapture is an idea less than 150 years old created by someone who many of his time thought he was a heretic. That means the Church Fathers did not buy such malarkey and neither should we!
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Dispensationalism begins with destroying the Doctrine of Christ (The Sermon on the Mount) which John says those who do this don't have God. Proof if interested. And ends with a total rejection of Christ and his blood on the cross. And a return to Judaism in a third temple. Replacing Jesus as God's temple made without hands. And return to animal sacrifices replacing Jesus' death on the cross. This makes damnation certain as stated in Hebrews 6.
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Some may find this Website interesting as well as informative. It is a JEWISH CHRISTIAN Website, that advocates the Tabernacle of David should be restored:
http://www.wildolive.co.uk/david's_tabernacle.htm
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I thought this was pretty cool when I learned of it it and maybe it'll add to the temple conversation.
Revelation 11:1&2
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:
So let's do that...
The tabernacle given to Moses was given with specific measurements, and Moses was told to build it "according to the pattern" he sees. He was to be specific in his measurements. Scripture then painstakingly details those measurements, so obviously they're of significance:
The dimensions:
Holy of Holies (outter) = 10 cubists x 10 cubits x 10 cubits = Volume of 1000 cubits^3
Holy of Holies (inner) = 9 cubists x 9 cubists x 10 cubists = Volume of 810 cubists^3
Ark of the Covenant = 1.5 cubists x 1.5 cubists x 2.5 cubists = Volume of 5.625 cubists^3
The Ark was to go into the holy of holies, so...
5.625 into 810 OR 810 / 5.625 = ???
Take a wild guess what the number is. Astounding.
Next, multiply that number by the remaining 1000 cubits^3 and you get the exact number John heard of those who were sealed of the 12 tribes of Israel in Revelation 7.
Finally, the outer courtyard wasn't to be measure because it would be given to the Gentiles. In other words, these multitudes would be too numerous to count. Well, where have we read this before?
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
So I'm convinced...
- The 144,000 "firstfruits" of the 12 tribes ARE The Holy of Holies.
- The Great Multitude of believers from all nations ARE The Outer Court.
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
John 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
A believer's glory/radiance will be proportional to how close they are to the throne of the Almighty & the Lamb, representing where they are specifically placed as a living stone in the temple, as explained by Paul. This is why Moses' face shone after being in the Almighty's presence for as long as he was when receiving the law.
1 Corinthians 15:35-49
35 But some will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool [pretty harsh translation], that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
Matthew 13:43
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Daniel 12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Revelation 11:1&2
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:
So let's do that...
The tabernacle given to Moses was given with specific measurements, and Moses was told to build it "according to the pattern" he sees. He was to be specific in his measurements. Scripture then painstakingly details those measurements, so obviously they're of significance:
The dimensions:
Holy of Holies (outter) = 10 cubists x 10 cubits x 10 cubits = Volume of 1000 cubits^3
Holy of Holies (inner) = 9 cubists x 9 cubists x 10 cubists = Volume of 810 cubists^3
Ark of the Covenant = 1.5 cubists x 1.5 cubists x 2.5 cubists = Volume of 5.625 cubists^3
The Ark was to go into the holy of holies, so...
5.625 into 810 OR 810 / 5.625 = ???
Take a wild guess what the number is. Astounding.
Next, multiply that number by the remaining 1000 cubits^3 and you get the exact number John heard of those who were sealed of the 12 tribes of Israel in Revelation 7.
Finally, the outer courtyard wasn't to be measure because it would be given to the Gentiles. In other words, these multitudes would be too numerous to count. Well, where have we read this before?
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
So I'm convinced...
- The 144,000 "firstfruits" of the 12 tribes ARE The Holy of Holies.
- The Great Multitude of believers from all nations ARE The Outer Court.
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
John 17:21
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
A believer's glory/radiance will be proportional to how close they are to the throne of the Almighty & the Lamb, representing where they are specifically placed as a living stone in the temple, as explained by Paul. This is why Moses' face shone after being in the Almighty's presence for as long as he was when receiving the law.
1 Corinthians 15:35-49
35 But some will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36 Thou fool [pretty harsh translation], that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
Matthew 13:43
Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Daniel 12:3
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
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Rev 11
2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.’
These are not the same group of people as the great multitude in white robes NO.
One is a scene on earth during the tribulation period. The other is a scene in heaven at the throne room.
These are unsaved gentiles on earth who have the temple and the city underfoot for 3.5 years.
The same period the witnesses are prophesying and are in mourning.
This is when the one we call the Antichrist is stamping the temple down as per the prophecies of Daniel.
Underfoot is very powerful Middle Eastern symbolism.
The great multitude in white robes are a scene in heaven before the heavenly throne. They are celebrating God on his throne, not stamping the temple down in defiance of The Lord.
2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles. They will trample on the holy city for 42 months. 3 And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.’
These are not the same group of people as the great multitude in white robes NO.
One is a scene on earth during the tribulation period. The other is a scene in heaven at the throne room.
These are unsaved gentiles on earth who have the temple and the city underfoot for 3.5 years.
The same period the witnesses are prophesying and are in mourning.
This is when the one we call the Antichrist is stamping the temple down as per the prophecies of Daniel.
Underfoot is very powerful Middle Eastern symbolism.
The great multitude in white robes are a scene in heaven before the heavenly throne. They are celebrating God on his throne, not stamping the temple down in defiance of The Lord.
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Well, I see. But consider this...
Revelation 7:9, 13-14
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
^The great multitude of Gentile believers are indeed those who come out of the great tribulation.
Luke 21:23-24
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress [i.e. great tribulation] in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
^The great tribulation (of the Jews) IS the time of the Gentiles. The fall of Israel is their riches/benefit.
Romans 11:11-12,25, 28, 30, 33-34
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles come in.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller?
^ Israel's punishment is that blessings and salvation once offered to them go to the gentiles for the time being.
The Great Tribulation (against Israel) = The so-called Church Age (for the gentiles) as they are - indeed - the very same group who trample the holy city. That's Israel's punishment for rejecting the Messiah.
Since olden times, the Almighty has used other nations to punish Israel...and has used Israel to punish other nations. When one is fallen the other rules over them. The Almighty doesn't change.
In the end, all are placed in the same boat: all are guilty of unbelief and needing a savior. This is the wisdom of the Almighty.
Revelation 7:9, 13-14
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
^The great multitude of Gentile believers are indeed those who come out of the great tribulation.
Luke 21:23-24
But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress [i.e. great tribulation] in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
^The great tribulation (of the Jews) IS the time of the Gentiles. The fall of Israel is their riches/benefit.
Romans 11:11-12,25, 28, 30, 33-34
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles come in.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counseller?
^ Israel's punishment is that blessings and salvation once offered to them go to the gentiles for the time being.
The Great Tribulation (against Israel) = The so-called Church Age (for the gentiles) as they are - indeed - the very same group who trample the holy city. That's Israel's punishment for rejecting the Messiah.
Since olden times, the Almighty has used other nations to punish Israel...and has used Israel to punish other nations. When one is fallen the other rules over them. The Almighty doesn't change.
In the end, all are placed in the same boat: all are guilty of unbelief and needing a savior. This is the wisdom of the Almighty.
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Some may find this Website interesting as well as informative. It is a JEWISH CHRISTIAN Website, that advocates the Tabernacle of David should be restored:
http://www.wildolive.co.uk/david's_tabernacle.htm
I cannot believe in Mid-Trib or Post-Trib, because Antichrist's REIGN will last EXACTLY SEVEN YEARS TO THE DAY. So the DAY that PEACE TREATY IS SIGNED, will be on International NEWS, and from that DATE we will know Exactly when MID-TRIB will be, and exactly when the END of His Reign of terror, WILL END. Even the EARTH'S Armies march on Jerusalem, and they KNOW WHO THEY MUST FIGHT WHEN THEY GET THERE. What gets me IS they think if they can amass an ARMY so large, they can defeat CHRIST, so that must be part of the Strong Delusion, that if there are enough combatants coming against CHRIST, they can defeat HIM.
2 Thessalonians 2:11 (HCSB)
11 For this reason God sends them a strong delusion so that they will believe what is false,
Revelation 19:6-21 (HCSB)
6 Then I heard something like the voice of a vast multitude, like the sound of cascading waters, and like the rumbling of loud thunder, saying: Hallelujah, because our Lord God, the Almighty, has begun to reign!
7 Let us be glad, rejoice, and give Him glory, because the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has prepared herself.
8 She was given fine linen to wear, bright and pure. For the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints.
9 Then he said to me, “Write: Those invited to the marriage feast of the Lamb are fortunate!” He also said to me, “These words of God are true.”
10 Then I fell at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow slave with you and your brothers who have the testimony about Jesus. Worship God, because the testimony about Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
11 Then I saw heaven opened, and there was a white horse. Its rider is called Faithful and True, and He judges and makes war in righteousness.
12 His eyes were like a fiery flame, and many crowns were on His head. He had a name written that no one knows except Himself.
13 He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God.
14 The armies that were in heaven followed Him on white horses, wearing pure white linen.
15 A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will shepherd them with an iron scepter. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.
16 And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh: KING OF KINGSAND LORD OF LORDS.
17 Then I saw an angel standing on the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice, saying to all the birds flying high overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God,
18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of commanders, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of everyone, both free and slave, small and great.”
19 Then I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and against His army.
20 But the beast was taken prisoner, and along with him the false prophet, who had performed the signs in his presence. He deceived those who accepted the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image with these signs. Both of them were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur.
21 The rest were killed with the sword that came from the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.
It would take Weeks, perhaps months, to get all the world's armies there in the Valley of Megiddo and surrounding Jerusalem, to make WAR against CHRIST. So they KNOW their destination and WHO THEY ARE GOING TO FIGHT, perhaps as much as 3 months in advance. However, I believe these PROPHECIES are EQUALLY TRUE:
Luke 12:40 (HCSB)
40 You also be ready, because the Son of Man is coming at an hour that you do not expect.”
Luke 12:46 (HCSB)
46 that slave’s master will come on a day he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know. He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
Matthew 25:13 (HCSB)
13 “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.
Matthew 24:36 (NKJV)
36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
HE told us that, three times, No one Knows the Day or Hour, that HE comes to Call Out His BRIDE. Once the Peace Treaty is SIGNED, every day after that could become a huge LOTTO for the next seven years, and several people will have guessed the right date. Also HE IS TALKING ABOUT CALLING OUT THE BRIDE, and not the Second Coming, because we know that day the Seven Year Peace Treaty will end, by the DAY IT IS SIGNED.
Also, we KNOW why only the FATHER KNOWS THE DAY. It is Jewish TRADITION after the Bride accepts the PROPOSAL BY DRINKING FROM THE CUP, (The Disciples ACCEPTED for us at the Last Supper), the Bridegroom had to Go to the Father's House, to Prepare a NEW Dwelling Place for US. ONLY THE FATHER HAD THE RIGHT TO INSPECT THE NEW DWELLING PLACE and to tell the SON, when to got get His Bride. The Son was NOT EVEN allowed outside HER house, HE had to choose a member of HIS wedding Party to go on ahead and SHOUT, calling the BRIDE OUT of her OLD DWELLING PLACE, and we go the NEW DWELLING PLACE in HEAVEN for the Wedding of the LAMB. We call it the Rapture.
1 Thessalonians 4:14-18 (HCSB)
14 Since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, in the same way God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.
15 For we say this to you by a revelation from the Lord: We who are still alive at the Lord’s coming will certainly have no advantage over those who have fallen asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the archangel’s voice, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
{Just so you know, I believe the Dead in Christ includes the Old Testament Saints, who Believed Messiah would come to pay for their Sins.}
17 Then we who are still alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and so we will always be with the Lord.
18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.
So the only option is PRE-TRIB, in my opinion.
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Matthew 24:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
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Tribulation Begins!
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
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Days will be shortened during the Tribulation for the ELECT's sake!
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
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Tribulation Ends!
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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Second Coming of Christ!
I believe that 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 confirms this:
“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.” (1 Corinthians 15:51–53)
This portion of 1 Corinthians explains CURRENT BELIEVERS will be here at the LAST TRUMP and confirms Matthew 24:
We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:
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Basically agree. Christ warns us to be prepared at ALL times because he could come at any moment. The rapture could occur any moment, But also the day of the Lord, As I believe the day of the Lord starts in heaven at the receiving of the seven sealed scroll. Since this occurs in heaven no one knows exactly when it will happen! Therefore it occurs like a thief in the night, For the world is in darkness and all peoples on earth are in darkness as no one is a believer.
YET.....But many will. And the 144,000 will be chosen also.
YET.....But many will. And the 144,000 will be chosen also.
In association with the doctrine that much of the sufferings of Christ on the cross were without any atoning object or effect, Mr. Darby, advancing a step farther, denies that the atonement for our sins consisted even in Christ’s death. But as it is probable some persons will find it difficult to believe that any man, professing to hold evangelical principles, and especially the leader of an important religious sect, also professing to be sound in the faith, could entertain such notions, and that I must have misunderstood Mr. Darby’s meaning—it is due to him, and may be desirable for the reader, that I should quote his own words.
“The same sentiments are expressed in various other portions of Mr. Darby’s writings; and even in some respects in language more objectionable still. That part of his theory, that Christ suffered much and long on the cross before there was anything of an atoning nature in his agonies, and simply as lying under the wrath of God in his character as King of Israel, is brought out more fully and more plainly than in the extract I have given. This is, in effect, to say that Christ actually had sins of his own in virtue of the relation which he sustained to the Jewish nation, as their king or head. There is something inexpressibly painful in the idea that our Lord suffered on the cross in any other capacity than as the Substitute or Sin-bearer for us. There is not a sentence in the word of God which gives the slightest sanction to it, but the contrary:—’While we were yet sinners Christ died for us;’ ‘He was made sin for us who knew no sin.’ Mr. Darby says he did know sin as the King of Israel. ‘He died for our sins and rose again for our justification; he died for our sins according to the Scriptures;’ ‘Who gave himself for our sins;’ ‘He is the propitiation for our sins;’ ‘Who bore our sins in his own body on the tree;’ ‘Who washed us from our sins in his own blood,’ etc.
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