THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

[eternally-gratefull]

This is what Daniel 9 is about.

(Dan 9:24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The final transgression was killing Jesus. The end of sins were made when Christ died and covered our sins and the same with reconciliation for iniquity and everlasting righteousness. Everything about Daniel 9 is about Jesus and the end of Israel.

Nope this is what dan 9 is about

Daniel 9:16–19 (NKJV): O Lord, according to all Your righteousness, I pray, let Your anger and Your fury be turned away from Your city Jerusalem, Your holy mountain; because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and Your people are a reproach to all those around us. 17 Now therefore, our God, hear the prayer of Your servant, and his supplications, and for the Lord’s sake cause Your face to shine on Your sanctuary, which is desolate. 18 O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies. 19 O Lord, hear! O Lord, forgive! O Lord, listen and act! Do not delay for Your own sake, my God, for Your city and Your people are called by Your name.”

and as ezek 37 says. When all these things come to moss the sin of Israel will have ceased

nice try. But again you are spiritual using prophecy

that destroys its purpose

 

[KJV1611]

the isreal assyria deatroyed will never exist again
sorry bro. You just wrong here

Ezekiel 37 has not come to pass yet. Amos 7 and 8 have

There 12 tribes of Israel before Assyria and there were 12 tribes of Israel after Assyria. The only other Israel is spiritual Israel and God will never be done with them, they are his chosen people.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There 12 tribes of Israel before Assyria and there were 12 tribes of Israel after Assyria. The only other Israel is spiritual Israel and God will never be done with them, they are his chosen people.

You are not understanding
THE Israel Mentioned in The passage is the northern kingdom. It had its own kind separate from the king if Judah
THAT is the isreal that was destroyed and will never be seen again
mad a matter of fact. Judah which was destroyed in 70 AD will never be seen again either.
When all isreal is saved (rom 11) it will be both kingdoms restore as one (ez 37) never to be divided again (ez 37)

 

[VCO]

You can post all the verses in the bible you want, but none of them CONTRADICT Amos 8.... you're interpretation of those verses contradict Amos but the true interpretation is right in line with Amos.

Stick with simple easy to understand verses like Amos and you'll never go astray.

Amos was active c. 760–755 BC. He died in 745 BC.

Micah was active in Judah . . . from approximately 737 to 696 BC. Does not say when he died.

Zephaniah was a Prophet between 640–609 BC, and talked about the REMNANT OF ISRAEL a lot.


Micah 2:12 (ASV)
12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as a flock in the midst of their pasture; they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.

Micah 4:6-7 (ASV)
6 In that day, saith Jehovah, will I assemble that which is lame, and I will gather that which is driven away, and that which I have afflicted;
7 and I will make that which was lame a remnant, and that which was cast far off a strong nation: and Jehovah will reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth even for ever.

Micah 5:7-8 (ASV)
7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many peoples as dew from Jehovah, as showers upon the grass, that tarry not for man, nor wait for the sons of men.
8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep; who, if he go through, treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and there is none to deliver.

Micah 7:18 (ASV)
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth over the transgression of the remnant of his heritage?
He retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in lovingkindness.


I still have not got to Zephaniah, do you me to do that one too ? ? ? He has 4 references to the Remnant of the Jews, in only 3 chapters. I think you got the picture.

OH MY, your Theory about ALL of the JEWS being permanently CAST OUT, is once again - - BUSTED.


Romans 9:27-29 (ESV)
27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved,
28 for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.”
29 And as Isaiah predicted, “If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring, we would have been like Sodom and become like Gomorrah.”

Romans 11:1-2 (ESV)
1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?


Do you know that GOD is the author of Poetic Justice?

So it would not surprise me for GOD to have two O.T. JEWS escort you ever where you go in heaven, one on each side of you. LOL.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amos was active c. 760–755 BC. He died in 745 BC.

Micah was active in Judah . . . from approximately 737 to 696 BC. Does not say when he died.

Zephaniah was a Prophet between 640–609 BC, and talked about the REMNANT OF ISRAEL a lot.


Micah 2:12 (ASV)
12 I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee; I will surely gather the remnant of Israel; I will put them together as the sheep of Bozrah, as a flock in the midst of their pasture; they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.

Micah 4:6-7 (ASV)
6 In that day, saith Jehovah, will I assemble that which is lame, and I will gather that which is driven away, and that which I have afflicted;
7 and I will make that which was lame a remnant, and that which was cast far off a strong nation: and Jehovah will reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth even for ever.

Micah 5:7-8 (ASV)
7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many peoples as dew from Jehovah, as showers upon the grass, that tarry not for man, nor wait for the sons of men.
8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep; who, if he go through, treadeth down and teareth in pieces, and there is none to deliver.

Micah 7:18 (ASV)
18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth over the transgression of the remnant of his heritage?
He retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in lovingkindness.


I still have not got to Zephaniah, do you me to do that one too ? ? ? He has 4 references to the Remnant of the Jews, in only 3 chapters. I think you got the picture.

OH MY, your Theory about ALL of the JEWS being permanently CAST OUT, is once again - - BUSTED.


Romans 9:27-29 (ESV)
27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved,
28 for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.”
29 And as Isaiah predicted, “If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring, we would have been like Sodom and become like Gomorrah.”

Romans 11:1-2 (ESV)
1 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?


Do you know that GOD is the author of Poetic Justice?

So it would not surprise me for GOD to have two O.T. JEWS escort you ever where you go in heaven, one on each side of you. LOL.

Amen, his use of Amos 7 and 8 has been thoroughly overturned as a plausible reason to reject our belief

 

[49]

yeah actually it is, but if you can not find it, I will not not attack or belittle you for it



Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

yep, that’s the temple we are dis using the one which will be built in the city of david, as prophesied

Bingo, we have a winner!!!

 

[VCO]

There 12 tribes of Israel before Assyria and there were 12 tribes of Israel after Assyria. The only other Israel is spiritual Israel and God will never be done with them, they are his chosen people.

You are NOT SPIRITUAL ISRAEL, NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Once a GENTILE Believer, ALWAYS A GENTILE BELIEVER.


Revelation 7:3-8 (HCSB)
3
“Don’t harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we seal the slaves of our God on their foreheads.”
4
And I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 sealed from every tribe of the Israelites:
5
12,000 sealed from the tribe of Judah,
12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,
12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
6
12,000 from the tribe of Asher,
12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali,
12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
7
12,000 from the tribe of Simeon,
12,000 from the tribe of Levi,
12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,
8
12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun,
12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,
12,000 sealed from the tribe of Benjamin.


NO GENTILES, GO INTO KINGDOM IN THEIR MORTAL BODIES, TO REPOPULATE ISRAEL, ONLY FLESH AND BLOOD JEWS.

Acts 10:28 (NIV)
28 He said to them: "You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.

Romans 2:9-11 (NIV)
9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;
10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.
11 For God does not show favoritism.

Romans 1:16 (NIV)
16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

The is NO SUCH THING as a spiritual Israelite, EXCEPT a blood JEW that has been BORN AGAIN or Messianic JEW.

 

[VCO]

BACK TO THE NEWS ABOUT THE THIRD TEMPLE!

 

[PlainWord]

I'm not certain what you mean by it would nullify the sacrifice of the Son, but it would most certainly show they still do not recognize him as LORD and Messiah. I can't see anywhere that he believes it is necessary for forgiveness of sins. Has he said this? I may have missed it. If so I would like to see it.

I think the point of VCO is only that he believes a new temple will be built as a fulfillment of his futurist doctrine, not that he is saying there is anything efficacious stemming from the sacrifices for the Jews who would offer them. At least that is what I hope he is meaning. According to Hebrews 10:26, there is no more sacrifice for sin, we agree on that I believe. Jesus sacrifice ended that era.

VCO is promoting it and gleefully awaiting it because of selfish reasons - he would like to take a pass on death. We all would. But none of us will as Heb 9:27 makes abundantly clear. Haven't the Jews suffered enough for their crimes against the Son of God over the past 1,950 years? I can't imagine the backlash they would get if they ever rebuilt the temple and re-instituted the Law with animal sacrifices. The outrage in Heaven and on Earth would be beyond intense. VCO should join me and others in condemning such an attempt while urging the Jews to finally realize who Jesus was and join us in our Temple, not built with hands. He should be giving them the message of salvation and not promoting an idea which would cause them further separation from God while ushering in another period of devastation for them (per his theory). This should be the cry of every Christian regardless of your eschatological views.

You are right, VCO thinks He needs to see a third temple to validate his flawed futurist doctrine and he is far from alone. All this hyping of the third temple only provides support in certain Jewish circles who are trying to build the temple into thinking they have wide support of American Christians.

Keep in mind what VCO believes in relation to this 3rd temple. He thinks they would then get the antiChrist and go through 3.5 or 7 years of hell on earth in the great tribulation as part of his deal while he gets to fly away. Nice guy huh? Wishing that on them so he gets his fly-away. I don't think VCO, and others, realize the full consequences of what they are promoting and this is why I am trying to point it out to them. There needs to be a "Stop the Temple and come to Jesus" movement!!

 

[PlainWord]

It was not useful when christ was born. It was headed up by a high priest who did not know god. And even the sacrifices which were done could
Never take away sin (Hebrews)

Yet even in its sinful state Jesus called it his fathers house

YES!! And it only went downhill from there. Later they started offering sacrifices to Nero instead of, or in addition to, God. That temple was overspreading with abominations, as you say, before and during Christ's days with the money changers, etc. It was the center of religious, political and economic power in ancient Israel. It was more about those things than it was honoring God. At the end, they were killing each other, having gay orgies, and drinking wine from the sacred temple utensils inside the temple and holy of holies. Titus even "committed a sin with a prostitute" inside the temple. That act mirrored the symbolism in Revelation of the Beast and Harlot which of course was Rome and Jerusalem. The temple was beyond cleansing this time.

That generation needed to be destroyed, and sadly, the temple too. Their wickedness matched, or exceeded the wickedness of Noah's day as Christ pointed out. God had to make an example of them and show the world that this system was no longer in play and that there was a "new way" for all mankind, a new way through His Son.

 

[PlainWord]

yeah actually it is, but if you can not find it, I will not not attack or belittle you for it



Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of [b]sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits [c]as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

yep, that’s the temple we are dis using the one which will be built in the city of david, as prophesied

No, the temple in this passage was destroyed in 70 AD. Don't you think the Jews that rejected and killed Christ were engaging in apostasy? Didn't they fall away from the true faith? To take the mite from a widow (when you are rich) or to declare Caesar is your only God, wouldn't those things be signs of some falling away already happening? To kill the Son of God, don't you have to back-slide a little bit? How about throwing cross-dressing gay sexual drunken orgies in the temple after you killed a bunch of priests? How about breaking into people's homes and stealing food out of the mouths of old men and babies then beating or killing those inside? Would that measure up for ya? I mean, how bad does it have to get before you see a "falling away????"

When was 2 Thes written, 51-52 AD? Do you think Paul ignored the building standing there that would be destroyed in less than 20 years and instead focused on a third temple which wouldn't be built for ~2,000 years, if at all? Sure, that makes a ton of sense. Like the Thessalonians would give a crap about some 2,000 year into-the-future temple when the disbelieving Jews supporting the temple standing there were persecuting them right then, in their day!! What ever happened to good ole common sense? Said with utmost love, my dear brother.

 

[VCO]

This is a video from three years ago, but it still gives us some facts, especially about The CITY OF DAVID was the Ancient JERUSALEM in the day of David. Film is Dated Mar. 15, 2017.

 

[PlainWord]

In Jesus' first coming much of what he did was establishing a spiritual kingdom rather than a physical kingdom. So the disciples thought of the physical Temple when Jesus was talking of the Temple of His body. But it may be different (I think) in the second coming.

In Acts 1:6,7 we see this:
6When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The disciples are still thinking a physical Kingdom and ask when this will be? Jesus answers only by saying that this is in the Fathers' timing and plan. I think it is coming yet, and part of that will clearly be a Third Temple built in Jerusalem . . .

Clearly, not just the disciples were confused about the temple. They thought it would be in their generation just as many here think it will be in ours. 2,000 years have passed and nothing has changed. Still looking for that man-made physical temple for Christ to dwell in and missing the point that He is already dwelling with us in the temple NOT MADE WITH HANDS. Why would we go backwards?

 

[VCO]

This Video was DATED Sep. 15, 2017.

 

[PlainWord]

Ok lets try this a different way. How can the temple of God in 2Th_2:3 be a building built by hands when the temple of God is no longer a physical building built by hands?

They aren't going to get it KJV1611. They aren't about to let Biblical, spiritual truths get in the way of a good fairy tale. It took me a long time to come to grips with the idea that there was no Santa Claus after being told by people I trusted for 5 years that there was.

 

[Chester]

Clearly, not just the disciples were confused about the temple. They thought it would be in their generation just as many here think it will be in ours. 2,000 years have passed and nothing has changed. Still looking for that man-made physical temple for Christ to dwell in and missing the point that He is already dwelling with us in the temple NOT MADE WITH HANDS. Why would we go backwards?

Nobody here believes we are "going backward". But some of us do think that the Jews still looking for a Messiah and still stuck in doing the works of the law to achieve righteousness are going to build a temple sometime during the last days.

 

[Chester]

They aren't going to get it KJV1611. They aren't about to let Biblical, spiritual truths get in the way of a good fairy tale. It took me a long time to come to grips with the idea that there was no Santa Claus after being told by people I trusted for 5 years that there was.[/QUO

So taking the Bible literally is a fairy tale? Interesting! and a Santa Claus!

 

[PlainWord]

Daniel 9 is about the answer to daniels prayer, and god telling daniel when the sin of isreal will cease,

the person who sits in the temple is the abomination which makes desolate who comes long after messiah has come and gone, during a 7 year treat of some sort, where the man of sin sets himself up in the temple Holy of holies,for the whole wold to see,, again look at all Ot prophecy, this is not the only place which states this

Daniel 9 is about the answer to daniels prayer, and god telling daniel when the sin of isreal will cease,

Did Israel stop sinning when it was wiped off the map in 70 AD?

the person who sits in the temple is the abomination which makes desolate

Was Titus a prince (Vespasian's son) who came after Messiah? Did he not leave the temple, Jerusalem and much of Israel desolate? When he stood in the temple with his troops and their ensigns to Zeus, could that be considered abominable from the Jewish prospective? So, we have an abominable Gentile prince standing in the temple (holy place, doesn't say holy of holies) who desolates the temple by fire (consummation) shortly after the 70 weeks, but this doesn't work for you??? Do we need a new temple so we can do it again? The last time wasn't bad enough for ya?

Treaty??? Didn't Christ confirm His new covenant with the world 3.5 years after He made it when He died on the Cross mid way into the 70th week? Should we just ignore these perfect fulfillments and invent a new temple and boogie man? I guess this way, we get to keep our 1830's fly-away doctrine. A lot of things have to repeat and line up again before we get to fly away.

I accuse George Soros standing in the Temple with the Mark of the Beast

 

[PlainWord]

But you aren't taking it literally, that's the problem.

 

[PlainWord]

Nobody here believes we are "going backward". But some of us do think that the Jews still looking for a Messiah and still stuck in doing the works of the law to achieve righteousness are going to build a temple sometime during the last days.

...And it's this error in thought I am trying to correct. The Jews had their "last days" already.

Acts 2:17
‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit (PENTECOST) on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

Hebrews 1:2
has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds

When was His Son speaking to them, in 2020 or 27-30 AD? As this was actually happening, Josephus records this:

But as for that house, God had, for certain, long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was come, according to the revolution of ages;

They understood what was happening, and why.