This question is for Pretribulational advocates but anybody can chime in.
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60 eggs????? 
... please say it isn't so... you used to be such a nice man!
... please say it isn't so... you used to be such a nice man!
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Oyster...
Here is something that Jesus said after ascending back to the Father in heaven:
Acts 23:11
"And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome."
Could Jesus have imminently raptured Paul (or anybody else) prior to Paul bearing witness at Rome?
Come on, Oyster.
This is the word of God that we are discussing, and it is no joking matter.
You presently are believing error.
Does that not concern you?
It should.
Here is something that Jesus said after ascending back to the Father in heaven:
Acts 23:11
"And the night following the Lord stood by him, and said, Be of good cheer, Paul: for as thou hast testified of me in Jerusalem, so must thou bear witness also at Rome."
Could Jesus have imminently raptured Paul (or anybody else) prior to Paul bearing witness at Rome?
Come on, Oyster.
This is the word of God that we are discussing, and it is no joking matter.
You presently are believing error.
Does that not concern you?
It should.
lol.
Put down your weapons.
I find it interesting that you quoted my response, and not where he told me that I am crude, rude, arrogant, and stupid.
You're not a very fair individual, are you?
Anyhow, he can call me all the names that he wants to.
The bottom line is that he will never be able to scripturally back his assertion that the rapture is always imminent in scripture.
Put down your weapons.
I find it interesting that you quoted my response, and not where he told me that I am crude, rude, arrogant, and stupid.
You're not a very fair individual, are you?
Anyhow, he can call me all the names that he wants to.
The bottom line is that he will never be able to scripturally back his assertion that the rapture is always imminent in scripture.
Just because Jesus didn't tell them what would precede His return in those verses doesn't mean that nothing would. He had already told them there would be wars and rumours of wars. This hadn't happened yet.
Consider the following:
Acts 1:4, 8 states "And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father . . . But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you; and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Sameria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
When He told them the Holy Spirit would come, He told them to wait (though He didn't tell them how long), but they knew that He wouldn't come until after they waited (unknow to them, but He knew). This was time-conditional.
He also told them they wouldn't receive power until after the Holy Spirit came upon them. This was also time-conditional.
He also told them that after receiving the Holy Spirit, they would be witnesses until they gone to the "uttermost part of the earth". Again, this is time-conditional. The church at Jerusalem could not possibly have believed in the imminent return of Christ if they knew they first had to take the gospel the the "uttermost part of the earth".
Consider the following:
Acts 1:4, 8 states "And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father . . . But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you; and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Sameria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."
When He told them the Holy Spirit would come, He told them to wait (though He didn't tell them how long), but they knew that He wouldn't come until after they waited (unknow to them, but He knew). This was time-conditional.
He also told them they wouldn't receive power until after the Holy Spirit came upon them. This was also time-conditional.
He also told them that after receiving the Holy Spirit, they would be witnesses until they gone to the "uttermost part of the earth". Again, this is time-conditional. The church at Jerusalem could not possibly have believed in the imminent return of Christ if they knew they first had to take the gospel the the "uttermost part of the earth".
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You have not added anything yet...except your unscriptural belief.
Anyhow, I see no need for anymore back and forth with you.
I have already provided you with two examples of the rapture not being imminent in the Bible, and I could easily provide you with dozens more, but you would just shrug those off as well.
Good night.
Anyhow, I see no need for anymore back and forth with you.
I have already provided you with two examples of the rapture not being imminent in the Bible, and I could easily provide you with dozens more, but you would just shrug those off as well.
Good night.
Gary is right.
Christ is talking to the people reading in verse 15. It isn't part of the vials nor is it a warning given to the world at the 6th vial. Christ repeats something similar in Rev 22 but in no way does it means Christ still hasn't returned by the time of the eternity and NHNE.
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
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The Bible has many, many, many 'asides'. Not appropriately separating them from the "current" text that the 'aside' temporarily "jumps/steps away from" only causes confusion and misinterpretation of scripture - especially when dealing with some form of chronology.
Every Bible student should be very careful to recognize these 'asides' when they are encountered - so that they may be correctly interpreted and not cause confusion with the passage they are studying.
Every Bible student should be very careful to recognize these 'asides' when they are encountered - so that they may be correctly interpreted and not cause confusion with the passage they are studying.
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