This question is for Pretribulational advocates but anybody can chime in.

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Rev 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.



Think the reminder about Christ's return in verse 16 somehow means he hasn't returned at this point in the vials?


Apply that logic elsewhere:


Rev_22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Now we apparently have scripture saying Christ is coming after the 7th vial, after the millennium, and only returns in the eternity.


Why does 22:20 conflict with the timing of 16:15? Well, it doesn't. It is wrong to think 16:15 means Jesus had not returned at the 7th trump, before any of the vials are poured. Verse 15 is "an aside" which makes a statement or reminder out of the chronological context of the passage just as Rev 22:20 does.


Rev_16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

This verse has no more meaning of when he returns then the other identical statements and interjections. He states this warning RANDOMLY all through Revelation:

Rev_2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

Rev_3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

Rev_16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

Rev_22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Rev_22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev_22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Does anyone care to explain why only Rev 16:15 is the second coming and not the other 5 verses?