Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer

[JIMBO43]

Ya. I know my life is putrid. Thanks for your mercy.

rrrrrrrrrr and thats coming from someone who likes to punch people in the throat and has an avatar claiming im better than you... (i thought you had a thicker skin than that my apolagies if your game offends you... gee wiz...do you want me to post you a viloin song

 

[Sirk]

rrrrrrrrrr and thats coming from someone who likes to punch people in the throat and has an avatar claiming im better than you... (i thought you had a thicker skin than that my apolagies if your game offends you... gee wiz...do you want me to post you a viloin song

No. You're right. I should go kill myself.

 

[PeterJens]

are you asking us to or telling us to lol either way thanks for the reminder good words

I bet your house is spotlessy clean hahahahahah throw me a bucket and soon put ya to the test..

What is funny is I am not a rule keeper, I am not spotlessly clean, or my house.
We live true to how we feel and are, and often it is tough sacrificing and following
ones heart.

Gods idea of perfection is John the Baptist, a man living in the desert, or a nazareen who
does not cut his hair, or an altar made of rough stone.

So much is really brutal and just real. Gods ways are absolute, and we are often compromise
and fudge. I suffer from anxiety and over analyse, but more recently I am learning to just
trust and let go, the Lord will provide.

God is not part of our frameworks, He breaks them all.
We talk about consistency, yet Gods consistency often will lead us to die.
Ananias and Sapharia just wanted the impression of giving all the money from the land,
such a small lie, why did it cost their lives? Because it is the foundation of the word
of God, He does not lie. But here on cc, it is like truth took a break, and any junk or
accusation is free game.

Playing that type of approach is just not from God, and if ones heart does not speak
to one, I suggest whoever gets this starts trying to find out who they know, because
their future does not look too bright.

Can people be this embedded in Christian knowledge and be truly lost? Maybe, because
these mistakes are so fundamental.

 

[JIMBO43]

Sirk - How should I think of myself? I am a sinner saved by grace, purified through His word,
redeemed in the blood of the lamb, walking in love.

I have no clue what others are or are not. But if you say something that I am not or that
scripture does not support, I am called to merely speak the truth.

Imagine if the Lord just gave you all the answers to the issues being posed to you.
Who is speaking, yourself or the Lord or both? In this arena we are not talking to people
but to our King who rules in our hearts. And my desire is to serve Him. So that is all
I focus on, not myself. So I do not understand you point, just what the feeling you are
projecting, you do not like what I represent. But if I represent Christ, then halleluyah,
that is our calling. It is what ministry really is, and what gets people rejected and hated.

Ironic that. Who would speak for the Lord if the people you are sent to will kill you?
Maybe because to serve the King is the greatest honour anybody can be given, Amen.

By the grace Of God you was saved,,, when i say i have grace what is meant and please deifne in two words

 

[wsblind]

No. You're right. I should go kill myself.

Granted, I disagree with him. But he made a funny. You have to at least admit that.

I am sorry Kris, but the violin post was funny. because we all know he was right.

Now don't you go dyien on us. I am sure you were cut to the core, its just not worth it man.

 

[PeterJens]

By the grace Of God you was saved,,, when i say i have grace what is meant and please deifne in two words

Grace is the cross giving me forgiveness.
saved is walking with Jesus in His ways.

 

[JIMBO43]

No. You're right. I should go kill myself.

oh come on pal all you have to do is say i was joking or something you really dont have to do something that drastic... i thought you knew you had eternal life. arnt we suppose to not threaten things like that in public ? its not nice to be blamed for someone elses mis fortune.. mate please dont do something like that thats silly and letting your hurt get the better of you dont be silly man,, im only responding to your posts i really dont mean any harm but we are called to rebuke.. and also hope for life...

 

[JIMBO43]

Grace is the cross giving me forgiveness.
saved is walking with Jesus in His ways.

in this sence could grace also mean freedom in forgivness ?

 

[PeterJens]

No. You're right. I should go kill myself.

I know suicidals, I have lived with this through my teenage years, depression,
failure, loneliness, isolation.

It is easier to die than stay alive. Our whole bodies fight each day to give us
another day to experience this wonderful world of life and love.

So I favour our bodies argument, and to learn how to see the beauty around
us. Getting things right matters less than seeing the wonderful blessing life
is. Sometimes when you are ill in bed, for days and then wake up well and
ok, the brightness floods in and the wonder of all the bussel and activity.

That is the beauty of life and what Jesus wants us to experience share.
But we make it so complicated, and block the hurts that stop Him reaching
us.

 

[PeterJens]

in this sence could grace also mean freedom in forgivness ?

Yes. Love is such a restraining thing, but also infinite. Lusts are so enslaving and
limited.

Once guilt is taken away, and you have ways to be alive and interact, it is where do
I start, not the opportunities are so limited. Once fear is gone, you see a need and
can just talk to people. True liberation. Fear and depression rob us of so so so much.

 

[Sirk]

oh come on pal all you have to is say i was joking or something you really dont have to do something that drastic... i thought you knew you had eternal life. arnt we suppose to not threaten things like that in public ? its not nice to be blamed for someone elses mis fortune.. mate please dont do something like that thats silly and letting your hurt get the better of you dont be silly man,, im only responding to your posts i really dont mean any harm but we are called to rebuke.. and also hope for life...

We are also called to be merciful because we have been given much mercy. We are called to consider others. We are called to love and bring hope to people. You may or may not know this about me but I like to get to the heart of the matter. And I saw a merciful heart in you just now and for that I am encouraged. I know a lot of hurting people in this world. Tender good hearted people who are struggling everyday day who wouldn't get much hope from someone telling them they must be sinless. A couple I knew did kill themselves. Maybe it was one word or attitude they felt from someone. Who knows? I hope you have learned something and had a piece of that hardness chipped off your heart just now.

 

[JIMBO43]

And I saw a merciful heart in you just now and for that I am encouraged. I know a lot of hurting people in this world. Tender good hearted people who are struggling everyday day who wouldn't get much hope from someone telling them they must be sinless.

Well i was merciful today but not merciful enough,, i charged someone £59.99 for a 99p plug..

I know i could have been more merciful and threw him some wire but i had allready use fuel insurance wages and advertising his lead owed me 59.00 so sometimes we have to be a little mercifull and not verry much little other wise the wolves will creep in,,, but come tomorrow i may just chuck that wire in if im a little more merciful,,, no offence take btw i know i have to have a hard heart sometimes where as the goody gud shoes doesnt see that....

 

[Depleted]

There is something wrong here, Lynn.

I am walking in the light, just sharing my experience. It is a place, not a challenge, because
I do not know you, or where you are from or who is reading this.

So I just share. Now I lay out why I think as I do, what my foundations are.
Now to not do this would be to lie. So putting who I am, just literally that is just being open.

Now in truth, if you are going to show someone are in error, a failure, a criticism, a sin, a heresy,
you have to be prepared for a response. That is how truth is defined. A proposition is made
and an agreement reached between positions.

For instance I was accused of the sin of unbelief in not saying my future sin was not forgiven.
I was told I had to repent, and if I did not I was not saved.

But what they said was I had sinned. And repeated this day after day. Now this is just called
guilt tripping someone and playing on the emotions of acceptance or rejection. Nothing to do with
God. And I gave my answer about future sin.

But let us put the doctrine of future sin to one side. Can I be a believer and not accept future
sin forgiven? For some the answer is no. But they are making scripture a lie.
If I believe Christ forgave my sin, I am saved. The end, done deal, saved.
Oh but now they want to "add" a clause, it is not true is you do not accept future sin forgiven.

Opps. Adding to faith is wrong, evil.

Why I hang around with you guys is because you break normal emotional rules of
honesty because you have a vested interest in sticking to your doctrines. You do not
see it, but it is there. But it takes a long time to spot it, inbetween all the put downs,
the condescension, aggression, full on bitterness and anger, even, "I am going to destroy you"

Thankfull I have a big heart, a thick skin, control of my anger and sea of emotions, so
I am very willing to learn.

So my error is in stating who I am. This is just not an error, it is just the truth.
And if this is the level of sensible debate, God help you, because you need it.

So, once again, you went with B and C.

Same ole, same ole.

 

[PeterJens]

We are also called to be merciful because we have been given much mercy. We are called to consider others. We are called to love and bring hope to people. You may or may not know this about me but I like to get to the heart of the matter. And I saw a merciful heart in you just now and for that I am encouraged. I know a lot of hurting people in this world. Tender good hearted people who are struggling everyday day who wouldn't get much hope from someone telling them they must be sinless. A couple I knew did kill themselves. Maybe it was one word or attitude they felt from someone. Who knows? I hope you have learned something and had a piece of that hardness chipped off your heart just now.

People killing themselves if often about hopelessness and depression.
All I have ever seen help this is love and honesty.

The world is full of uncaring sinners hurting and destroying others.
Saying those who walk in Jesus's ways are guilty of this is absurd.

Often in families lack of emotional openness and honesty causes deep pain
and rejection. One step along this path, is people sharing who and what
they are. This only works in the framework of the cross and forgiveness.

Now I know this works, because in my little family we are very open and
honest, loving and caring. But it is not easy, but there is real life here in
the Lord.

As an ex-depressive from an emotionally closed hidden family with serious
mental problems I know the other side of the coin first hand.

And I know in Christ there is love and healing, but we need to open the door
and ask Him in.

 

[PeterJens]

So, once again, you went with B and C.
Same ole, same ole.

Thanks for putting me right. Do not understand it at all or what you are trying
to achieve, hope this helps, God bless, Peter

 

[PeterJens]

realize you do have a problem, and seek help

Lynn - Not sure you know what you are talking about, but "help" "a problem"

You need to say what problem? What help? You are saying
"I could offer you help pointing out nothing and providing no solution to nothing." lol.

I suppose it must make sense to you, does not to me, at all.
Drug addiction, clinic for detox, shyness, social exposure, heresy, bible study,
beligerant, listening to others points, anger, anger management courses, anxiety,
emotional acceptance etc. Now these are real points with real answers.

Yours, zip, nada, nothing ...

But let me put it simply, I love Christ, and I just want to grow and learn
with others how to serve Him better. Does this bother you?
Should I just be asleep and really say nothing? I suppose it would send
people to hell quicker...

 

[Sirk]

People killing themselves if often about hopelessness and depression.
All I have ever seen help this is love and honesty.

The world is full of uncaring sinners hurting and destroying others.
Saying those who walk in Jesus's ways are guilty of this is absurd.

Often in families lack of emotional openness and honesty causes deep pain
and rejection. One step along this path, is people sharing who and what
they are. This only works in the framework of the cross and forgiveness.

Now I know this works, because in my little family we are very open and
honest, loving and caring. But it is not easy, but there is real life here in
the Lord.

As an ex-depressive from an emotionally closed hidden family with serious
mental problems I know the other side of the coin first hand.

And I know in Christ there is love and healing, but we need to open the door
and ask Him in.

All that helps is love and honesty? This is just generic cop out and more Christianese. You have the style part down pat Peter. Now if you can inject some substance into it you'll be a more complete disciple of Jesus.

 

[dcontroversal]

I agree, If I say it, I am a fool, and should be called out.

but if God says them.. thats another story,

Sadly, God says never or forever, and people do not believe him.. lol

Exactly....how many deny the words eternal, everlasting and the application of said words.....also the definition of justification, saved, sealed, sanctified etc......

 

[JIMBO43]

Jimbo's picture reminded me of something.

I go along praising God for what He has lead me into.
A bullet wisses by my head. Oh friendly fire, they were just trying to correct me.
An arrow of lies, accusations, failure, error, filth, rottenness, arrogance, pride.

And these are my friends, ones who are sent to encourage and love me as part
of the family. Woe. If this is the family, their enemies would be nicer.

Would you say to a child, come here while I chop off your hand, do open heart
extraction, and destroy all you hold dear. But this is what it feels like.

Is it because so many people are seriously disappointed or burnt? This is not
normal behaviour by anyone. It is only done against people they want to hurt,
not a little but a lot. So what is not being said? Why the antipathy?

Righteous aspirations are Christs, and are embedded in Gods nature. Make enemies
of this and you are enemies of God. It is not more serious than this. It almost
has nothing to do with me. And so your blood is not on my hands, Gods judgement
comes because of attitudes and behaviour such as this. I have no fear before
man if I have no fears before my King, because my King and His ways matter above
all else. Repent and make your peace with Him before he makes peace with your soul
in judgement.

I see that you still have unforgivness,,, you should learn to let theese things go bro

 

[dcontroversal]

Neither can you build a theology on semantics. And that's all you got man. Pretty flimsy.

Especially when the definition of hope in the N.T. is the assurance of something guaranteed.....instead they use the word hope like one who just bought a lotto ticket in the Mega Millions lottery and HOPE they win.......