Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer

Depleted · Mar 13, 2017

There's an error right there. First, you ask to be shown an error you may have made, and to prove how open you are to hear, you immediately blame. Blame is NOT an openness to see error. It is proof you do NOT want to see error. And this is what you do -- pretend to be humble as you continue on proving you are above all others. "The oracle" as your example. The one who can never see why others would dare to disagree.

That is your error. Now, how much do you really want to see any errors within yourself?

Because your response to this will answer that question:
A. No response, means you do not want to know your error. You'd rather pretend you didn't see this.
B. You will yet again go with "I humbly beseech you to see the errors of YOUR ways, while I am being ever so humble in thinking all things out constantly." (Blame yet again.)
C. You will turn this yet into another teaching moment/oracle discernment moment.
D. You'll be quiet for a moment, take it in, realize it is quite possible (likely, since you've been told this same thing by dozens of people on here form the belligerent to the kind-hearted, and many somewhere in between), realize you do have a problem, and seek help. (Real help, not like what you just did by pretending you want to know more, and yet then immediately turning it back to an attack -- while pretending to be humble -- or yet another teaching moment from the Oracle of CC.)

And, to be clear, I'd love to see D happen. I expect A through C. If A through C, do understand this is why most don't listen to you. And the ones who do? They get over it after getting to see who you are. And also understand why very few take your words as anything but from God or about God.

BUT, if D, it really is something we can all join in together to pray for you and help you with. If D, this is what this site should be all about. (It isn't, but there are people on here that are.)

God is able to change us. He does change his own. He simply also allows the wheat and tare to grow in the same field. I know. I'm a WIP.

wsblind · Mar 13, 2017

Sirk said:

And I believe both are sons/saved. But we don't see the brother redeemed from his self-righteous attitude. And never resumed fellowship with the Father.

He is a picture of the saved through fire believer. naked and no inheritance in the kingdom. yet he "looked" so good and tried his best.

JIMBO43 · Mar 13, 2017

PeterJens said:

Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God.
Matt 5:8

If you do not understand this you do not know the Living God.
Repentance means a commitment to living in purity.

I have never been a sinless perfectionist, nor do I believe in counting like
a check list success and failure. The whole point is if you are born into
the Kingdom you know this commitment.

I feel the type of condemnation you heap upon me, as if I have done some
horrible crime. But all this confirms is there are so many unresolved issues in
your life, somehow giving me a hard time helps appease you.

The problem with this behaviour is it shuts people from sharing both their
struggles and their victories, and there are such real things as victories.

In the end you get what you praise and loose that which you condemn.
So if you condemn people who walk in love and righteousness and uplift
those who parade their failure as being honest, that is what you will get.
So if I am attracted to another woman other than my wife, commit adultery,
get divorced, destroy many lives, that is better than being faithful, living
in purity and love.

Now these choices are not vain examples, but ones people willing choose to
walk down, and your preaching encourages one or the other.

Theese are very good words but you forgot that not only do people follow bad doctrins they also worship them and stand by them,, is this what you call pride ?.

Sirk · Mar 13, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

You view it as prideful to admit shortcoming faults and defects in your character? I think I've seen all the pride I can handle for one day.

JIMBO43 · Mar 13, 2017

PeterJens said:

So when you got saved you was born into his kingdom.. which means you are now in heaven and you have recieved salvation ?...

Ive followed most of your posts and all the times you have supported sinless perfectionists..which make me think you are in favor of this concept..

The sad reality is your not alone even the none sinless perfectionists like the faith alone saves concept think like you do and sinless perfectionists...

Your reality is your own your brains are your own... your mind is your own.. what you chosse to believe and what you dont is your own too..

Now believing that you have recieved salvation befor God has given it to you is just a wee bit ego listicic and just a wee bit prideful..

I bet satan thought his salvation was declared too

wsblind · Mar 13, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

If we think we can lose salvation.....our motive is wrong and we are not following the Spirit.The Holy Spirit SEALS us. He ain't whispering in our ear,"don't make me unseal you!"

The walking in righteousness part has to be from the right motivation. And if we are doubting that we are not saved as of yet or have to maintain that GIFT of salvation we are NOT walking in His Spirit. We are walking in our own strength and.............................all,ALL, ALL of our "good" deeds are going to be burned.

JIMBO43 · Mar 13, 2017

wsblind said:

Neve ever said once you are to think you could lose it,,,, ive only ever said you are to hope for it.........................................BID DIFFRENCE AMEGO

JIMBO43 · Mar 13, 2017

I conclude sheep follow sheep and people follow bad doctrines..........im outer of here...

wsblind · Mar 13, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

I know, hence this part................Amigo

If we think we can lose salvation.....our motive is wrong and we are not following the Spirit.The Holy Spirit SEALS us. He ain't whispering in our ear,"don't make me unseal you!"

The walking in righteousness part has to be from the right motivation. And if we are doubting that we are not saved as of yet or have to maintain that GIFT of salvation we are NOT walking in His Spirit. We are walking in our own strength and.............................all,ALL, ALL of our "good" deeds are going to be burned.

PeterJens · Mar 13, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

I am never going to attack someone who walks righteously, I want to encourage them.
I am no judge and I want to say, love is a beautiful thing.

Now I also believe in sinful behaviour needs to be repented of, confessed and Christs
forgiveness accepted. I am called to be an encourager. So if I cannot encourage those
who are doing well, what is my value. Working for the enemy to discourage victory and
success, and cheer on the blatantly sinful. That would be working for the enemy.

God took pride in Job. Now remember this, God took pride in Job.
God took pride in Peter, though he failed, he came back and walked well.

JIMBO43 · Mar 13, 2017

wsblind said:

you cant lose something that hasnt been given yet.. .

wsblind said:

You cant lose something that hasnt been given yet...

wsblind said:

You cant lose something that hasnt been given yet...have a nice day and hope...

wsblind · Mar 13, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Thats why your in over your head. Your not saved yet. Acts 16:31 Amigo.

That is part of the confusion here. Where are all of the blatant sinning, foaming at the mouth believers in grace? Where are they all hiding? All of the nice, moral, sanctimonious, self righteous prigs who are acting saved, says they are everywhere.

Sirk · Mar 13, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Neither can you build a theology on semantics. And that's all you got man. Pretty flimsy.

PeterJens · Mar 13, 2017

Depleted said:

There is something wrong here, Lynn.

I am walking in the light, just sharing my experience. It is a place, not a challenge, because
I do not know you, or where you are from or who is reading this.

So I just share. Now I lay out why I think as I do, what my foundations are.
Now to not do this would be to lie. So putting who I am, just literally that is just being open.

Now in truth, if you are going to show someone are in error, a failure, a criticism, a sin, a heresy,
you have to be prepared for a response. That is how truth is defined. A proposition is made
and an agreement reached between positions.

For instance I was accused of the sin of unbelief in not saying my future sin was not forgiven.
I was told I had to repent, and if I did not I was not saved.

But what they said was I had sinned. And repeated this day after day. Now this is just called
guilt tripping someone and playing on the emotions of acceptance or rejection. Nothing to do with
God. And I gave my answer about future sin.

But let us put the doctrine of future sin to one side. Can I be a believer and not accept future
sin forgiven? For some the answer is no. But they are making scripture a lie.
If I believe Christ forgave my sin, I am saved. The end, done deal, saved.
Oh but now they want to "add" a clause, it is not true is you do not accept future sin forgiven.

Opps. Adding to faith is wrong, evil.

Why I hang around with you guys is because you break normal emotional rules of
honesty because you have a vested interest in sticking to your doctrines. You do not
see it, but it is there. But it takes a long time to spot it, inbetween all the put downs,
the condescension, aggression, full on bitterness and anger, even, "I am going to destroy you"

Thankfull I have a big heart, a thick skin, control of my anger and sea of emotions, so
I am very willing to learn.

So my error is in stating who I am. This is just not an error, it is just the truth.
And if this is the level of sensible debate, God help you, because you need it.

JIMBO43 · Mar 13, 2017

Us brits do not SING LAND OF HOPE AND GLORY FOR NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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JIMBO43 · Mar 13, 2017

Sirk said:

yOU CAN BUILD ON SOMETHING THE SIZE OF A MUSTARD SEED...........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ENOUGH SAID......

Sirk · Mar 13, 2017

PeterJens said:

There is something wrong here, Lynn.

I am walking in the light, just sharing my experience. It is a place, not a challenge, because
I do not know you, or where you are from or who is reading this.

So I just share. Now I lay out why I think as I do, what my foundations are.
Now to not do this would be to lie. So putting who I am, just literally that is just being open.

Now in truth, if you are going to show someone are in error, a failure, a criticism, a sin, a heresy,
you have to be prepared for a response. That is how truth is defined. A proposition is made
and an agreement reached between positions.

For instance I was accused of the sin of unbelief in not saying my future sin was not forgiven.
I was told I had to repent, and if I did not I was not saved.

But what they said was I had sinned. And repeated this day after day. Now this is just called
guilt tripping someone and playing on the emotions of acceptance or rejection. Nothing to do with
God. And I gave my answer about future sin.

But let us put the doctrine of future sin to one side. Can I be a believer and not accept future
sin forgiven? For some the answer is no. But they are making scripture a lie.
If I believe Christ forgave my sin, I am saved. The end, done deal, saved.
Oh but now they want to "add" a clause, it is not true is you do not accept future sin forgiven.

Opps. Adding to faith is wrong, evil.

Why I hang around with you guys is because you break normal emotional rules of
honesty because you have a vested interest in sticking to your doctrines. You do not
see it, but it is there. But it takes a long time to spot it, inbetween all the put downs,
the condescension, aggression, full on bitterness and anger, even, "I am going to destroy you"

Thankfull I have a big heart, a thick skin, control of my anger and sea of emotions, so
I am very willing to learn.

So my error is in stating who I am. This is just not an error, it is just the truth.
And if this is the level of sensible debate, God help you, because you need it.

you think more highly of yourself than you ought. You put yourself above others. The only relationship you want here is one up one down. You up, and everyone else who doesn't massage your religious piety down.

Sirk · Mar 13, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

We have the Jesus juke kings on this thread.

BillG · Mar 13, 2017

JIMBO43 said:

Dont forget us in blue north of the border.

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MadebyHim · Mar 13, 2017

Sometimes times it seems just turning on my tv these days is sin crazy. Sure aint ozzy and hariet, and these advertisements. i close my eyes on most of them.

Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers.
2Timothy 2:14

in all things showing yourself to be a pattern of good works; in doctrine showing integrity, reverence, incorruptibility, Titus 2:7

This is a faithful saying, and these things I want you to affirm constantly, that those who have believed in God should be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable to men. Titus 3:8

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