Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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Hi Willyb: You can have the best of intentions not to sin and end up sinning anyway. James 3:2 in many things we offend all, James put himself in that group. Hebrews 12: let us lay aside the sin which does so EASILY beset us, the writer of Hebrews placed himself in the group that is so easily beset with sin. The Holy Spirit will convict you of sin on a daily basics, it is not possible for a Spirit indwelt believer to actually think that they never sin.
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And to be honest, most grace believers add "we occasionally sin/don't habitually sin." Because we are going to be ATTACKED and driven into the ground by the argument that we advocate sin.
If we are gaining knowledge of His mind and advancing in His Grace.............the more we notice that we are sinners to the uttermost. We sin ignorantly, we sin habitually, we sin and even like it for a season. Anyone who says, "No way, I have pretty much given up sin and have my sin under control." Is one who has no idea of how sinful we really are and what PERFECTION really is.
Anyone who advanced beyond salvation and the milk.....will admit that they sin habitually, more than occasionally, and know that ignorant sin will be revealed to them as they advance in Grace and knowledge.
I may have most of my overt sins cleaned, and live a life basically free of "known" and "visible " sins. But my thoughts and motivations are not pure most of the time. My sin nature clouds the divine plan God has for me.
If we only sinned "occasionally", this world would be right next to perfect and me having a problem in my life would only happen once every 20 or 30 years.
It makes no sense to this world that the more we advance in His mind and Grace the more we realize just how fallen we are.
If we are gaining knowledge of His mind and advancing in His Grace.............the more we notice that we are sinners to the uttermost. We sin ignorantly, we sin habitually, we sin and even like it for a season. Anyone who says, "No way, I have pretty much given up sin and have my sin under control." Is one who has no idea of how sinful we really are and what PERFECTION really is.
Anyone who advanced beyond salvation and the milk.....will admit that they sin habitually, more than occasionally, and know that ignorant sin will be revealed to them as they advance in Grace and knowledge.
I may have most of my overt sins cleaned, and live a life basically free of "known" and "visible " sins. But my thoughts and motivations are not pure most of the time. My sin nature clouds the divine plan God has for me.
If we only sinned "occasionally", this world would be right next to perfect and me having a problem in my life would only happen once every 20 or 30 years.
It makes no sense to this world that the more we advance in His mind and Grace the more we realize just how fallen we are.
This makes no sense at all. Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
You declare the more you know God the more you know you are sinful, lost, hopeless.
Jesus used words like, that may be one as we are one.
They will know you are my disciples because you have love one for another.
Now a sinner is alone, separate, without fellowship with the Father, at emnity with Him.
But the cross and His resurrection has brought reconciliation between man and God.
Rather than growing further apart we should be growing closer together.
"But my thoughts and motivations are not pure most of the time."
So what are your core objectives and where is your focus. If at the end you
are not reigning with Christ on the your throne, but have other motives and agendas
it is not surprising you seem to be highlighting who is dominating everything.
You declare the more you know God the more you know you are sinful, lost, hopeless.
Jesus used words like, that may be one as we are one.
They will know you are my disciples because you have love one for another.
Now a sinner is alone, separate, without fellowship with the Father, at emnity with Him.
But the cross and His resurrection has brought reconciliation between man and God.
Rather than growing further apart we should be growing closer together.
"But my thoughts and motivations are not pure most of the time."
So what are your core objectives and where is your focus. If at the end you
are not reigning with Christ on the your throne, but have other motives and agendas
it is not surprising you seem to be highlighting who is dominating everything.
In John 8:11, Jesus was telling this woman to go and leave her life of sin. She had been practicing adultery. I don't believe that sinless perfection is being taught here. Jesus cannot compromise His perfect, holy standard, so of course, Jesus is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."
Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).
Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness (1 John 1:8-10).
What if it were possible? What if the flesh wasn't weak and the spirit still willing? What if in this life it were possible to walk free of sin? If at the very least it is not your desire to be free from sin, and hope to be, have we missed the holiness of God? As much as we make excuses for why we still sin, and make it "okay", what if we thought that its not okay?
I don't mean to express legalistic notions, but sin is still sin. It is vile, despicable, and grotesque. That isn't defining us, but sin in and of itself. As others have mentioned probably, God's grace isn't a license to sin, but if you do sin God's grace is sufficient. This doesn't mean we in any way ought to entertain the lusts of the flesh. According to His word, we are not under sin's dominion.
As pleasurable as sin is for the present moment, it robs us of future joy. No, it robs us of true present joy, lasting joy. First desire, then sin, followed by death. It kills peace, it murders hope, and it slaughters happiness. Sin is an illusion, a trick, that for a second seems to offer pleasure but soon disappears into despair.
Sin ought to be denied in a believer. We are to say no to ungodliness and wordly lusts, as grace teaches us. I am not claiming to be sinless, but pray God, may I be. Righteousness that is desirable. That is pure and to be hungered after. If it is possible to walk this earth at some point to be free of sin may we all attain that goal. If its possible, let us walk in such a way. Only if. Only if. Only if.
If it is not the case, God still sanctifies us. Unto what end? Is it so much to deal with sin or to build character? Who are we? How do we conduct ourselves in practicing love? Are we givers? Do we bring peace where we go? Do we carry His presence with us? Does His light so shine upon us, others may notice a glow? Let God sanctify you, as He will unless you be, as scripture notes, a bastard. You don't even have to be concerned with not sinning at all, or else, but rather rest in Christ knowing fully well that His blood has been shed for you, and through the Spirit you have been made a child of God.
As a child of God, He will chastise and sanctify us. So who cares who claims what as it pertains to perfection? Look in the mirror, see where you stand, and if you desire righteousness cry for God to change you. Pray He sanctifies you, transforming you into the man or woman of God He has so destined you. Don't worry about perfection, let God in His process address the areas He feels you currently need fine tuning. This way you can make peace with the present, and move onward in righteousness.
I don't mean to express legalistic notions, but sin is still sin. It is vile, despicable, and grotesque. That isn't defining us, but sin in and of itself. As others have mentioned probably, God's grace isn't a license to sin, but if you do sin God's grace is sufficient. This doesn't mean we in any way ought to entertain the lusts of the flesh. According to His word, we are not under sin's dominion.
As pleasurable as sin is for the present moment, it robs us of future joy. No, it robs us of true present joy, lasting joy. First desire, then sin, followed by death. It kills peace, it murders hope, and it slaughters happiness. Sin is an illusion, a trick, that for a second seems to offer pleasure but soon disappears into despair.
Sin ought to be denied in a believer. We are to say no to ungodliness and wordly lusts, as grace teaches us. I am not claiming to be sinless, but pray God, may I be. Righteousness that is desirable. That is pure and to be hungered after. If it is possible to walk this earth at some point to be free of sin may we all attain that goal. If its possible, let us walk in such a way. Only if. Only if. Only if.
If it is not the case, God still sanctifies us. Unto what end? Is it so much to deal with sin or to build character? Who are we? How do we conduct ourselves in practicing love? Are we givers? Do we bring peace where we go? Do we carry His presence with us? Does His light so shine upon us, others may notice a glow? Let God sanctify you, as He will unless you be, as scripture notes, a bastard. You don't even have to be concerned with not sinning at all, or else, but rather rest in Christ knowing fully well that His blood has been shed for you, and through the Spirit you have been made a child of God.
As a child of God, He will chastise and sanctify us. So who cares who claims what as it pertains to perfection? Look in the mirror, see where you stand, and if you desire righteousness cry for God to change you. Pray He sanctifies you, transforming you into the man or woman of God He has so destined you. Don't worry about perfection, let God in His process address the areas He feels you currently need fine tuning. This way you can make peace with the present, and move onward in righteousness.
I like how he misses the mark on the prodigal......forgetting or denying the fact that HE is a SON by birth already that wastes his life and inheritance by riotous living (sin) yet is still received as a son...........and was ALIVE through the whole PROCESS!
Jesus, who started the good work in those who have acknowledged him by faith (biblically) will MOST assuredly bring it to fruition and FINISH what he started.
HE will never leave us NOR forsake us......
HE will lose nothing, but raise it up at the last day......
Jesus, who started the good work in those who have acknowledged him by faith (biblically) will MOST assuredly bring it to fruition and FINISH what he started.
HE will never leave us NOR forsake us......
HE will lose nothing, but raise it up at the last day......
And the "go and sin no more" was particularly applied unto adultery.......which is often ignored and applied unto believers in a general sense.....
AGAIN...for the 9865745th time.....not one person that I know of on this site who believes in eternal security, salvation dia grace and faith have EVER said it is ok to live a lifestyle of sin...EVER....
We simply acknowledge that BELIEVERS fail and SIN and that we still have a fallen, weak, corrupt BODY of sin that is not subject unto the law of GOD....
Those who deny this are missing the mark....NO ONE but JESUS was and or will ever be without sin.....end of story!
AGAIN...for the 9865745th time.....not one person that I know of on this site who believes in eternal security, salvation dia grace and faith have EVER said it is ok to live a lifestyle of sin...EVER....
We simply acknowledge that BELIEVERS fail and SIN and that we still have a fallen, weak, corrupt BODY of sin that is not subject unto the law of GOD....
Those who deny this are missing the mark....NO ONE but JESUS was and or will ever be without sin.....end of story!
EXACTLY.....they seem to think that if they have not or do not commit adultery, kill, steal or lie like a dog that they are sinless....funny how many places sin in a nice little categorized box......you have your BIG sins, mid-range sins and the little sins that are not sins at all, but just messing up......
Jesus said that if you break one of the least of the commandments of God you are guilty of the WHOLE......
A lie of OMMISSION or even ACCUSING falsely, such as I was above, is just as bad as murder or adultery......end of story!
Jesus said that if you break one of the least of the commandments of God you are guilty of the WHOLE......
A lie of OMMISSION or even ACCUSING falsely, such as I was above, is just as bad as murder or adultery......end of story!