Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer

[notuptome]

2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Gods strength is perfected in our weakness. Until we shed this tabernacle of flesh we remain subject to it's weaknesses. This is all to demonstrate the testimony of God working in us and not we ourselves meriting any glory.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[dcontroversal]

2Co 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Gods strength is perfected in our weakness. Until we shed this tabernacle of flesh we remain subject to it's weaknesses. This is all to demonstrate the testimony of God working in us and not we ourselves meriting any glory.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Amen Roger.....more truth that proves the point.....Jesus was clear....My spirit is ALWAYS willing to do what is right and biblical.....but my flesh is as weak as can be.....sometimes I am strong sometimes I am not....

I have areas that I have not, nor will I ever compromise in.....and then I have my weak areas that I struggle with every day....sometimes mastering them...sometimes not so much.......

Thank God his grace out bounds my sin that sometimes abounds......!

 

[BillG]

Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

7:25 Christ is … able to save because He is fully God and fully human (2:18; 4:15). Since this verse speaks of Jesus’ present intercession for us, the word save in this verse speaks of our sanctification, the continuing process by which we are freed from the power of sin. This continuing process of salvation will eventually be completed in our glorification, when we are saved from the presence of sin. The word uttermost may speak of this glorification, this “complete” or “whole” salvation. come: The Greek verb for come is in the present tense. Therefore the word indicates that Jesus continues to save those who keep coming to Him. Our justification is a once-for-all event accomplished on the Cross, but our sanctification is a continuing process. (NKJV study note)

 

[dcontroversal]

Hebrews 7:25
Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

7:25 Christ is … able to save because He is fully God and fully human (2:18; 4:15). Since this verse speaks of Jesus’ present intercession for us, the word save in this verse speaks of our sanctification, the continuing process by which we are freed from the power of sin. This continuing process of salvation will eventually be completed in our glorification, when we are saved from the presence of sin. The word uttermost may speak of this glorification, this “complete” or “whole” salvation. come: The Greek verb for come is in the present tense. Therefore the word indicates that Jesus continues to save those who keep coming to Him. Our justification is a once-for-all event accomplished on the Cross, but our sanctification is a continuing process. (NKJV study note)

Amen.....and the following verses go with this....

Jesus completing the good work he started and finishing it in the day of Christ (resurrection/change) A.K.A. rapture

also....I agree with the ongoing process of sanctification in our daily lives but will add....

Sanctification is dual in application....the word means to be set apart

Sanctified positionally in Christ forever as a saved child of God

New American Standard Bible
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

King James Bible
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.


Being sanctified in our daily life due to growth and maturity an ongoing process.....<--following verse speaks to your point


New American Standard Bible
"Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth.

King James Bible
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

[BillG]

And the "go and sin no more" was particularly applied unto adultery.......which is often ignored and applied unto believers in a general sense.....

AGAIN...for the 9865745th time.....not one person that I know of on this site who believes in eternal security, salvation dia grace and faith have EVER said it is ok to live a lifestyle of sin...EVER....

We simply acknowledge that BELIEVERS fail and SIN and that we still have a fallen, weak, corrupt BODY of sin that is not subject unto the law of GOD....

Those who deny this are missing the mark....NO ONE but JESUS was and or will ever be without sin.....end of story!

Thank you and that is part of the lie that DC was speaking off.. Not only that we LOVE our sin, but we do not feel we need to confess or repent of our sin when we see it in our lives. This is not true.

If they would stop for a minute and listen, they would hear.. But while they are bashing and saying we defend OSAS at all cost. They do the very thing to defend loss of salvation at all cost.

Sadly, I fear it will not end until Christ returns.

It won't I'm afraid.
What gets me is the rhetoric that's thrown and banded around.
Not much evidence of building each other up in love.
Maybe the absence of love, replaced with an ego thing takes over. I'm right your wrong.
Demanding apologies because we disagree, demanding apologies on behalf of billions of Christians because of differences of opinion.

How can someone demand an apology on behalf of billions of Christians who haven't even read this post.
They make the assumption that they would get as upset because someone has different theological viewpoint.

having differences in opinion is not a hill to die on, Jesus died on that hill for us. To unite us in his love, not to slag each other off.

As long as differences do not detract from the fundamentals of salvation then the hill we should be dying on is that which seeks to remove self giving the Holy Spirit to move and conform us to the image of Christ.

 

[BillG]

Sorry about my above post. I managed to include a quote by DC when I only wanted to include the quote by E.G., not sure how that happened.

Can someone explain how I just include part if a quote. I just wanted to quote the last part if EG's post.

Answers accepted from both sides

 

[Embankment]

Jesus is calling now!

 

[dcontroversal]

Sorry about my above post. I managed to include a quote by DC when I only wanted to include the quote by E.G., not sure how that happened.

Can someone explain how I just include part if a quote. I just wanted to quote the last part if EG's post.

Answers accepted from both sides

Highlight and cut/copy and paste.........

 

[BillG]

Highlight and cut/copy and paste.........

So I don't use the double quotation marks with the + next to when I selected by copy what I want to add?

 

[dcontroversal]

So I don't use the double quotation marks with the + next to when I selected by copy what I want to add?

You don't have to.....I always just highlight the whole post, cut it and past it and then remove what I do not want to quote up to the point the Quote and who stated it...like the following...I highlighted your who quote, pasted it in and then highlighted and deleted your first statement......

I have tried the multiple quote deal and it seems to keep building as I post away....I confess ignorance to the use of it though...

EG can better give advice on this subject or maybe others...I just do it the way I stated

Originally Posted by BillG

Can someone explain how I just include part if a quote. I just wanted to quote the last part if EG's post.

Answers accepted from both sides

 

[wsblind]

You sitting back in your chair in your smoking jacket with your glasses down at the end of your nose, pointing your crooked finger at people who love Jesus and who He calls his children, is as disgusting and sinful as it gets. You better repent from that one.

How he operates and frankly the majority of believers is satans number one strategy.

Operate in pseudo light. Operate in pseudo good.

How great is our darkness if we THINK we are in the light. It breeds pride and arrogance that blinds to the uttermost. Reality becomes skewed, and In my experience very,very few can come out of it.

 

[dcontroversal]

Look at the words of PETER......a man that walked on water, walked with Jesus, had power over demons and the ability to heal and raise the dead....and Peter was saved and immersed ALREADY when he stated this....after Jesus told him where to cast his net.......and it was filled....!



New American Standard Bible
But when Simon Peter saw that, he fell down at Jesus' feet, saying, "Go away from me Lord, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!"

King James Bible
When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.

 

[JesusRules1]

Look at the words of PETER......a man that walked on water, walked with Jesus, had power over demons and the ability to heal and raise the dead....and Peter was saved and immersed ALREADY when he stated this....after Jesus told him where to cast his net.......and it was filled....!



New American Standard Bible
But when Simon Peter saw that, he fell down at Jesus' feet, saying, "Go away from me Lord, for I am a sinful man, O Lord!"

King James Bible
When Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.

That is why Peter was so dear to Jesus despite his flaws,for he would always admit his flaws,and turn from them,like king David who did some terrible things,but would quickly turn to the LORD and ask forgiveness.

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Even after conversion Peter still had a problem,which Paul said he did not walk uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel.Peter is an example of how the Lord forgives,and even though a person can mess up quite often,can still find favor with the Lord,because of their persistent love for God,and the willingness to not give up,which Peter walked on water,but lost faith,and Jesus had to raise him up,and denied Jesus 3 times,and probably did things the Bible does not mention,but his attitude to keep trying,and not give up,found him favor and forgiveness with the Lord,and like David,Peter always would eventually turn from what he did.

And we know Peter is saved,without a shadow of a doubt,one hundred percent,can be proven,for his name is written in the New Jerusalem,and well as the other 11 apostles,and if Peter can mess up like he did,even after conversion,but still find forgiveness,and obtained salvation,than we can too despite our messing up,as long as we are persistent,not give up,have a zeal for the Lord,and have the same attitude as Peter.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sorry about my above post. I managed to include a quote by DC when I only wanted to include the quote by E.G., not sure how that happened.

Can someone explain how I just include part if a quote. I just wanted to quote the last part if EG's post.

Answers accepted from both sides

either do as DC said and cut out what you do not want to see. Or if you want to break up. At the end of the part you want to break up. type in [ / q u o t e ] then begin the next part you want o answer with [ q u o t e ] minus the spaces.. It takes some getting used to.

the other thing you can do is highlight the part you want to respond to. Then click on the quote button above.. (last button on right of menu bar of the quick reply.

 

[PeterJens]

there are no " styles " or" perspectives ". peter, all this emotional double-talk and rhetoric and lecturing is why you get so many harsh responses.

there is truth and non-truth that should guide our walk with the Lord. not feelings and emotions.

Am I talking to the right person? Things are just black and white, our feelings do not lead us into
sin or away from it, it is just cold hard facts.

It is impossible to talk about love without it involving empathy, care, compassion, patience,
being long suffering, encouraging, sympathetic. Now if you can do all these things without
emotion, you are not human. And everything we do is bathed in emotion, which is why
when people stop feeling they call it depression, the suppression of emotion to the extent
all we feel is pain.

So again you talk to me something that does not exist.
Until you wake up to your living breathing heart, there is not a lot I can do to help.

 

[dcontroversal]

That is why Peter was so dear to Jesus despite his flaws,for he would always admit his flaws,and turn from them,like king David who did some terrible things,but would quickly turn to the LORD and ask forgiveness.

Gal 2:11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.
Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

Even after conversion Peter still had a problem,which Paul said he did not walk uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel.Peter is an example of how the Lord forgives,and even though a person can mess up quite often,can still find favor with the Lord,because of their persistent love for God,and the willingness to not give up,which Peter walked on water,but lost faith,and Jesus had to raise him up,and denied Jesus 3 times,and probably did things the Bible does not mention,but his attitude to keep trying,and not give up,found him favor and forgiveness with the Lord,and like David,Peter always would eventually turn from what he did.

And we know Peter is saved,without a shadow of a doubt,one hundred percent,can be proven,for his name is written in the New Jerusalem,and well as the other 11 apostles,and if Peter can mess up like he did,even after conversion,but still find forgiveness,and obtained salvation,than we can too despite our messing up,as long as we are persistent,not give up,have a zeal for the Lord,and have the same attitude as Peter.

Amen and I agree.........

 

[wsblind]

And everything we do is bathed in emotion, which is why
when people stop feeling they call it depression, the suppression of emotion to the extent
all we feel is pain.

This the epitome of living in emotion and feelings. they are so caught up in the emotions and feelings for THEMSELVES that they can't think objectively or about another person.

And honestly, true love doesn't "look" pretty most of the time.

Emotions and feelings are fine. But it is not the place we do our THINKING. We will be off in never never land in an instant if we were thinking from our emotions and feelings.

 

[BillG]

Hopefully this will work

 

[BillG]

Nope it didn't

 

[PeterJens]

AGAIN...for the 9865745th time.....not one person that I know of on this site who believes in eternal security, salvation dia grace and faith have EVER said it is ok to live a lifestyle of sin...EVER....

dc - you want to walk righteously, as unto Christs way, and that is your hearts desire.
Amen. So do I.

I have never expected anything else from any follower of Jesus. What I did not expect
was you are a works salvationist, trying to earn your way to heaven.

If you go to a party and the dress code is white you do not turn up dirty.
If our whole ethos, way of walking, talking and being is loving and encouraging one another
to praise the Lord and good works, then anything that helps the things that hinder us, is
a good thing. Why I would be regarded as an enemy, beats me.

And if I, who am laid back, non-aggressive and a sharer of how things look to me, am terrible,
what about the more timid and less well prepared? This is where I wonder who are these great
saints trying to put right.

Back in the 70's when the charismatic movement was just starting off, there were always guys
who stood up and said, I am perfect, the Holy Spirit has baptised me and I am not going to sin
any more. They never lasted long. But this is vastly different from saying sin does not matter,
if I get angry, behave inappropriately this is not wrong, it is just who I am.

This is where most commited believers question this strident, you are pharisees, we are totally
free and answerable to no one. All Christs commands are just about condemnation and failure
and no believer needs to be concerned about them.

If I did not follow Christ, and know what discipleship was, I would just say ok. But this is completely
against what my life grew on, the love that was established in me and Jesus's words.

So we have good reason to question these super saints who condemn and depose faith from simple
believers of Christs words.