Those whom the Lord Jesus will judge
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The above post worries me.
The proposition is Gods will is to provide enough finance for an individual to live.
What if Gods will is that this person dies at the hands of another as a sacrifice of love
given freely to display the love of God to them?
We are called to believe in God and His will and not project outcomes but trust His heart.
Many believers have gone to their deaths knowing death in Christ is sharing in His suffering
beyond life, and it is better to go to be with the Lord than stay here on earth.
The proposition is Gods will is to provide enough finance for an individual to live.
What if Gods will is that this person dies at the hands of another as a sacrifice of love
given freely to display the love of God to them?
We are called to believe in God and His will and not project outcomes but trust His heart.
Many believers have gone to their deaths knowing death in Christ is sharing in His suffering
beyond life, and it is better to go to be with the Lord than stay here on earth.
Gods will
I have seen Gods will work out that it was time for a brother or sister to go and be with Him.
Blessing in our definition is not how we define Gods will and it to be sinful not to believe this
optimistic outcome. Equally not to believe in Gods provision in medicine is to not believe in
Gods blessing of us, and His empowering our abilities to bless others.
In sickness people should seek the Lord why the sickness has come, not whether it is Gods desire
to heal it or not. If God did not intend the illness to come, it would not have appeared and without
knowledge of what is going on, how can resolution even be begun.
I know I will die, and some illness will kill me. But it is all in His hands, not mine. So I trust Him
that He will bring what is appropriate at the right time.
I have seen Gods will work out that it was time for a brother or sister to go and be with Him.
Blessing in our definition is not how we define Gods will and it to be sinful not to believe this
optimistic outcome. Equally not to believe in Gods provision in medicine is to not believe in
Gods blessing of us, and His empowering our abilities to bless others.
In sickness people should seek the Lord why the sickness has come, not whether it is Gods desire
to heal it or not. If God did not intend the illness to come, it would not have appeared and without
knowledge of what is going on, how can resolution even be begun.
I know I will die, and some illness will kill me. But it is all in His hands, not mine. So I trust Him
that He will bring what is appropriate at the right time.
My husband passed away a little over 2 years ago. He was not ill before he passed. The night before he passed we were at the dog park throwing frisbees with our dogs. Three weeks before he passed we were up in the mountains camping, hiking, playing.
The morning he passed, he called me and told me his whole left side was numb and he thought he'd had a heart attack. I was at the hospital with him as the staff was monitoring him. The doctor asked me to leave the room while a breathing tube could be put in as it would help him breathe easier and they would come get me when he was settled.
I went out to wait and I prayed to God for healing and I also prayed that if my husband would not be happy with his quality of life then it was okay if my husband went. And that was the prayer Father answered. I am in tears as i write this. I miss my husband so very, very much. He and I were the best of friends. God blessed us with a wonderful family and gave us many blessed years together. I know I will see my good best friend again in eternity and he and I will be perfected. We will serve the Lord together in eternity just as we served the Lord together in this lifetime.
The morning he passed, he called me and told me his whole left side was numb and he thought he'd had a heart attack. I was at the hospital with him as the staff was monitoring him. The doctor asked me to leave the room while a breathing tube could be put in as it would help him breathe easier and they would come get me when he was settled.
I went out to wait and I prayed to God for healing and I also prayed that if my husband would not be happy with his quality of life then it was okay if my husband went. And that was the prayer Father answered. I am in tears as i write this. I miss my husband so very, very much. He and I were the best of friends. God blessed us with a wonderful family and gave us many blessed years together. I know I will see my good best friend again in eternity and he and I will be perfected. We will serve the Lord together in eternity just as we served the Lord together in this lifetime.
Yes, and people have the ability to turn away... otherwise God would not be warning us about thus possibility.
Unlike mankind... God is not stupid saying things that are useless and untrue.
You are obviously a cherry picker... you should accept and believe the whole counsel of God.
In another thread they were talking about those claiming to be "gay christians"... as an example, you believe those that are gay claiming to be christians are going to Heaven???
If so, this proves you don't know beans about'cho Bible!
Galatians 5:18-21
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Obviously, false grace teachings have corrupted your mind... you need help!... cherry picker!
Yes, and some that got born again ended up being deceived in to turning away from the Lord... and they burn.
Believe ALL of God's Word... it's not God who is not keeping His Word... it's people turning away from Him and more and more are doing that in these last days.
Unlike mankind... God is not stupid saying things that are useless and untrue.
You are obviously a cherry picker... you should accept and believe the whole counsel of God.
In another thread they were talking about those claiming to be "gay christians"... as an example, you believe those that are gay claiming to be christians are going to Heaven???
If so, this proves you don't know beans about'cho Bible!
Galatians 5:18-21
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Obviously, false grace teachings have corrupted your mind... you need help!... cherry picker!
Yes, and some that got born again ended up being deceived in to turning away from the Lord... and they burn.
Believe ALL of God's Word... it's not God who is not keeping His Word... it's people turning away from Him and more and more are doing that in these last days.
U
Ultimately, what you are saying here is that faith is a work and that faith enables us to adhere to the law because we believe in the law.
This is not what James is teaching, and making faith a work then means we can obtain or keep our salvation by works and the bible clearly says No on this.
James wants his readers to demonstrate their faith by their works so that others will believe. That is the whole point of his discourse.
Saying that faith is dead is not to saying it is non-existent it is however saying that this dead faith is useless, ineffective.
James goes on to tell us in 2:26 “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” The fact that there was a body, means that there once was life. But the spirit enables this body to move and express itself.
A person cannot SEE my faith, but they can see the things I do that express this faith. We have works so that others come to belief in the Gospel.
The reason both groups call Him Lord is because they all profess to be christians. However, not all who call themselves christians are actually born of the Spirit. Calling Him Lord is something that those in the christian world would do. An atheist would never call Him Lord, for example.
There are a mix of wheat and tares. The goats are identified as those who are not true believers, because Jesus says to them "I never knew you". He was never their Lord. These are obviously religious people who went to church and called themselves christians, but by title only. They never actually trusted in the finished work of Jesus on the cross to save them. Instead they trusted in their own works. They said "Jesus +" when it's actually "Jesus alone". They are called workers of iniquity because their works are done of self.
This may shock you, but if Mother Theresa (as kind as she was, and with all the great things she did for the world) - IF she never had faith alone in the work of Jesus on the cross, to pay her sin debt, then she would be in Hades now. On judgment day she would be one of those goats saying "Lord, Lord" and she would be called a worker of iniquity. Because although she helped a lot of people and did do some good in the world, in the end it would mean nothing without Christ. Anything done without Christ is a filthy rag (in the scriptures the rags are likened to a used tampon!) AND...... if Hitler (as evil as he was) turned to Jesus to forgive him, before he took his last breath, then he would be in Heaven now. This is the power of the gospel.
There are a mix of wheat and tares. The goats are identified as those who are not true believers, because Jesus says to them "I never knew you". He was never their Lord. These are obviously religious people who went to church and called themselves christians, but by title only. They never actually trusted in the finished work of Jesus on the cross to save them. Instead they trusted in their own works. They said "Jesus +" when it's actually "Jesus alone". They are called workers of iniquity because their works are done of self.
This may shock you, but if Mother Theresa (as kind as she was, and with all the great things she did for the world) - IF she never had faith alone in the work of Jesus on the cross, to pay her sin debt, then she would be in Hades now. On judgment day she would be one of those goats saying "Lord, Lord" and she would be called a worker of iniquity. Because although she helped a lot of people and did do some good in the world, in the end it would mean nothing without Christ. Anything done without Christ is a filthy rag (in the scriptures the rags are likened to a used tampon!) AND...... if Hitler (as evil as he was) turned to Jesus to forgive him, before he took his last breath, then he would be in Heaven now. This is the power of the gospel.
My edit time expired, lol. Here it is...
Matthew 7:21-23: "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
If you look at the rest of the chapter you can see the same two groups referenced in different ways...
Narrow way (to Heaven) & Broad way (to hell) - few on the narrow and many on the broad road
Good trees & bad trees - the bad trees cannot bear good fruit, they are dead all along. Dead produces nothing. Those that don't produce fruit are identified as the dead trees
And in other scriptures you have...
Sheep & Goats, Wheat & Tares (believers and non believers)
Matthew 7:21-23: "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
If you look at the rest of the chapter you can see the same two groups referenced in different ways...
Narrow way (to Heaven) & Broad way (to hell) - few on the narrow and many on the broad road
Good trees & bad trees - the bad trees cannot bear good fruit, they are dead all along. Dead produces nothing. Those that don't produce fruit are identified as the dead trees
And in other scriptures you have...
Sheep & Goats, Wheat & Tares (believers and non believers)
Hello Grace777,
No I am agreeing to the scriptures you quoted particularly whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Hello UG,
I think you need to re-read the post again carefully and see what it is actually saying. You seemed to have missed the point. Please follow the context of the messages starting from messages 87, 95, 96, 100.
Here is another way of saying the same thing if you did not get the point of message 100. Jesus says things much better then I do.......
"I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman."
"Every branch in me that beares not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beares fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit."
"Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you."
"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."
"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same bringes forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
"If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."
"Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples."
"As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love."
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:1-10)
and again...............
"Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit."
"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
"Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
"Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock."
"And every one that hears these sayings of mine, and does them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Matt 7:17-27)
May God bless you all
No I am agreeing to the scriptures you quoted particularly whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Hello UG,
I think you need to re-read the post again carefully and see what it is actually saying. You seemed to have missed the point. Please follow the context of the messages starting from messages 87, 95, 96, 100.
Here is another way of saying the same thing if you did not get the point of message 100. Jesus says things much better then I do.......
"I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman."
"Every branch in me that beares not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beares fruit, he purges it, that it may bring forth more fruit."
"Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you."
"Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me."
"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same bringes forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."
"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
"If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."
"Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples."
"As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love."
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:1-10)
and again...............
"Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit."
"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."
"Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."
"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"
"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
"Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock."
"And every one that hears these sayings of mine, and does them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it." (Matt 7:17-27)
May God bless you all
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SO, it is possible for the Christian to not be living by all that the Lord has provided for us and because of the blood of Jesus which cleanses us from all sin because all believers are in the light. 1 John 1:7
I am thankful you agree that the Father doesn't send His children to hell like some religions say He does What a horrible religion and false doctrine from the pit of hell that is. It is a complete denial of the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross and resurrection and violates the whole "why" of the gospel in the first place.
Believing in the finished work of Christ brings the proper nutrients to grow in the grace of Christ Himself and walk out what is already in our new creation.
"Doing the sayings" of Jesus is believing in Him and all that He has done. - that is building on the rock that Jesus was talking about. Right believing brings right thinking ( a renewed mind) which brings right living and it is all by grace through faith in the work of Christ alone. No flesh shall glory in His presence.
The true Christian life is complete reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ for all things pertaining to life and godliness. There is a religion called Christianity which tries to "mimic" the life of Christ and demands others "duplicate" that for creating and maintaining righteousness. That is a perversion of the gospel and it is actually denying the Lord and Master who has bought our eternal redemption through His blood and life.
The true Christian life is build on what Christ has already done and it is realized and experienced by the Holy Spirit renewing our minds as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor. 3:17-18
This is the true dynamic way of God for transformation in a believer. Beholding Christ Himself.
I am thankful you agree that the Father doesn't send His children to hell like some religions say He does What a horrible religion and false doctrine from the pit of hell that is. It is a complete denial of the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross and resurrection and violates the whole "why" of the gospel in the first place.
Believing in the finished work of Christ brings the proper nutrients to grow in the grace of Christ Himself and walk out what is already in our new creation.
"Doing the sayings" of Jesus is believing in Him and all that He has done. - that is building on the rock that Jesus was talking about. Right believing brings right thinking ( a renewed mind) which brings right living and it is all by grace through faith in the work of Christ alone. No flesh shall glory in His presence.
The true Christian life is complete reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ for all things pertaining to life and godliness. There is a religion called Christianity which tries to "mimic" the life of Christ and demands others "duplicate" that for creating and maintaining righteousness. That is a perversion of the gospel and it is actually denying the Lord and Master who has bought our eternal redemption through His blood and life.
The true Christian life is build on what Christ has already done and it is realized and experienced by the Holy Spirit renewing our minds as we behold the glory/goodness of the Lord as in a mirror. 2 Cor. 3:17-18
This is the true dynamic way of God for transformation in a believer. Beholding Christ Himself.
Grace777, can a practicing Homosexual Christian enter heaven?
Your answer is Yes - because you have confirmed so before. Feel free to stop me if you have changed your mind on this matter.
Whenever confronted with this, you use a tactic to say that homosexuality is just as bad as slander, malice etc. What you do is to try get others in the body to rather accept homosexuality as one of the "club of sins" which the Lord will overlook. Because your theology is faulty, you think that if the body of Christ will overlook these "other" sins, they then should overlook "homosexuality".
Well your foundation is faulty, and your theology is from hell.
The true foundation is this: All of these sins are evil (all the ones you include above). And none of them, left unrepentant, will allow the believer entrance to heaven.
So instead of having them REPENT from homosexuality, you get them to ACCOMMODATE homosexuality as just one of the other sins.
Your answer is Yes - because you have confirmed so before. Feel free to stop me if you have changed your mind on this matter.
Whenever confronted with this, you use a tactic to say that homosexuality is just as bad as slander, malice etc. What you do is to try get others in the body to rather accept homosexuality as one of the "club of sins" which the Lord will overlook. Because your theology is faulty, you think that if the body of Christ will overlook these "other" sins, they then should overlook "homosexuality".
Well your foundation is faulty, and your theology is from hell.
The true foundation is this: All of these sins are evil (all the ones you include above). And none of them, left unrepentant, will allow the believer entrance to heaven.
So instead of having them REPENT from homosexuality, you get them to ACCOMMODATE homosexuality as just one of the other sins.
Well let's look at the below:
It seems he did. Here it is again from this thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/153638-1-corinth-5-brother-lets-get-into.html
2 Corinthians 2
[SUP]6 [/SUP]This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, [SUP]7 [/SUP]so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him.
It seems he did. Here it is again from this thread: http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/153638-1-corinth-5-brother-lets-get-into.html
2 Corinthians 2
[SUP]6 [/SUP]This punishment which was inflicted by the majority is sufficient for such a man, [SUP]7 [/SUP]so that, on the contrary, you ought rather to forgive and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with too much sorrow. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him.
- It seems the brother in 1 Corinthians 5 took the road of repentance (if we can infer from this passage that Paul received interim feedback from the church at Corinth about this man).
- For we know the heart of the Lord, and He desires mercy and not sacrifice (Hosea 6v6; and Matthew 9v13 [SUP]13 [/SUP]But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]b[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”
- And if such repentance is granted by the Lord 2 Timothy 2v25-26 [SUP]25 [/SUP]in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, [SUP]26 [/SUP]and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil <also see Hebrews 12v1>, having been taken captive by him to do his will <also see Romans 6v16>.
- And the corresponding response to the Church is to welcome this one back in love and forgiveness. It is always predicated on repentance, and never an overlooking of the sin.
Romans 10:9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved
In Rom 10:9, the word "confess" is the Gr word homologeó (from homoú "together" and légō, "speak to a conclusion") - properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse).
The word "confesss" means more than just uttering words, or saying the words. It is to come to a full agreement with something heard or read or understood and then confess, profess that with which you agree.
In substance, we "hear" God's Word concerning His Son Jesus Christ, that He is Lord of all. We agree with God that Jesus Christ is Lord of all and that He is now Lord of our lives.
When we confess Jesus Christ is Lord of our lives, and believe in our hearts that God has raised our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, we become born again. We are saved. Jesus Christ now becomes our personal Lord and we are no longer under the dominion of the lord of this earth (satan).
When Jesus speaks of those who call Him "Lord, Lord", He is speaking of those who only mouth the words, not of those who agree He truly is Lord of all.
There is a difference between saying certain words and actually meaning those words.
How many of us say to someone "How are you today" when we see someone?
How many of us actually care how the person we ask is really doing that day. These are words we just say without really having it sink into our hearts.
And how many of us reply "fine" when asked that question?
We reply "fine" to the question even when things really aren't so "fine". But we're not going to divulge certain things to someone we are not familiar with.
The way we ask "how are you today" and reply "fine" is the same way those Jesus refers to as calling Him "Lord, Lord". They don't really mean it; they only mouth the words without considering that He truly is Lord.
In Rom 10:9, the word "confess" is the Gr word homologeó (from homoú "together" and légō, "speak to a conclusion") - properly, to voice the same conclusion, i.e. agree ("confess"); to profess (confess) because in full agreement; to align with (endorse).
The word "confesss" means more than just uttering words, or saying the words. It is to come to a full agreement with something heard or read or understood and then confess, profess that with which you agree.
In substance, we "hear" God's Word concerning His Son Jesus Christ, that He is Lord of all. We agree with God that Jesus Christ is Lord of all and that He is now Lord of our lives.
When we confess Jesus Christ is Lord of our lives, and believe in our hearts that God has raised our Lord Jesus Christ from the dead, we become born again. We are saved. Jesus Christ now becomes our personal Lord and we are no longer under the dominion of the lord of this earth (satan).
When Jesus speaks of those who call Him "Lord, Lord", He is speaking of those who only mouth the words, not of those who agree He truly is Lord of all.
There is a difference between saying certain words and actually meaning those words.
How many of us say to someone "How are you today" when we see someone?
How many of us actually care how the person we ask is really doing that day. These are words we just say without really having it sink into our hearts.
And how many of us reply "fine" when asked that question?
We reply "fine" to the question even when things really aren't so "fine". But we're not going to divulge certain things to someone we are not familiar with.
The way we ask "how are you today" and reply "fine" is the same way those Jesus refers to as calling Him "Lord, Lord". They don't really mean it; they only mouth the words without considering that He truly is Lord.
U
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LoveGodForever,,
I am still unclear, but we agree that we do not return to the law and neither is faith believing the law.
Let me say is another way since we know Paul must be consistent in his teachings.
Paul continually putting the law, faith, grace and sin in context within the new covenant faith. Every part has to be understood within the larger picture of the new covenant and Paul’ teaching on grace, faith and being made righteous.
He says….."The law is not of faith." Galatians 3:12
Romans 14:23 says, "...whatsoever is not of faith is sin,"
It is so interesting that Paul contrasts faith and sin, a statement which would have been blasphemy to the legalistic Jews, just as it is to legalistic Christians today.
It is sin for the New Testament believer to try to relate to God by attempting to keep the Old Testament law.
The law itself is not sin (Rom. 7:7).
But it is sin to try to use the law for justification with God. This was never the purpose of the law.
Under the law a person got what he deserved. Under faith, the New Testament believer receives grace because of what Jesus did for him.
Any departure from faith, especially a departure back to the Old Testament law, voids the work of Christ (Gal. 2:21) and is the worst sin of all.
Only faith in Jesus Christ, (not faith in believing the law) has the key that unlocks the door to the law's harsh imprisonment of guilt and condemnation.
LoveGodForever,,
I am still unclear, but we agree that we do not return to the law and neither is faith believing the law.
Let me say is another way since we know Paul must be consistent in his teachings.
Paul continually putting the law, faith, grace and sin in context within the new covenant faith. Every part has to be understood within the larger picture of the new covenant and Paul’ teaching on grace, faith and being made righteous.
He says….."The law is not of faith." Galatians 3:12
Romans 14:23 says, "...whatsoever is not of faith is sin,"
It is so interesting that Paul contrasts faith and sin, a statement which would have been blasphemy to the legalistic Jews, just as it is to legalistic Christians today.
It is sin for the New Testament believer to try to relate to God by attempting to keep the Old Testament law.
The law itself is not sin (Rom. 7:7).
But it is sin to try to use the law for justification with God. This was never the purpose of the law.
Under the law a person got what he deserved. Under faith, the New Testament believer receives grace because of what Jesus did for him.
Any departure from faith, especially a departure back to the Old Testament law, voids the work of Christ (Gal. 2:21) and is the worst sin of all.
Only faith in Jesus Christ, (not faith in believing the law) has the key that unlocks the door to the law's harsh imprisonment of guilt and condemnation.
Chris1975 - can a Christian that has frequent outbursts of anger enter into heaven?
Can a Christian that has over eaten most of their life ( which is a form of lasciviousness which means without restraint ) enter into heaven if they died tonight?
Can a Christian that has envy over someone else that has a nicer car then he does - enter into heaven?
Can a Christian that causes strife and division enter into heaven?
These are all works of the flesh and in the same lists as the immoral homosexual living person. NO one is condoning any type of sinning as it all brings destruction of some form into our lives which is why we preach Christ and Him crucified and we too were crucified with Him on the cross and raised in His resurrection.
Our loving Father does not send His children to hell because of the flesh. If that was the case - no Christian would be in heaven.
Our Father will chastise His children and bring about repentance to all of us in whatever area we need it. Your religion of our loving Fahter sending His children to hell is the main reason why the church is in the mess that it is.
I encourage you to preach the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and then the Christians will have a proper foundation in Christ in order to grow. Your religion is a very poor substitute for knowing our Father and Lord for who they truly are.
I also encourage you to ask the Lord to show you His real gospel and it will bring true deliverance not only to you but to those you come in contact with. He will be faithful to you....
Can a Christian that has over eaten most of their life ( which is a form of lasciviousness which means without restraint ) enter into heaven if they died tonight?
Can a Christian that has envy over someone else that has a nicer car then he does - enter into heaven?
Can a Christian that causes strife and division enter into heaven?
These are all works of the flesh and in the same lists as the immoral homosexual living person. NO one is condoning any type of sinning as it all brings destruction of some form into our lives which is why we preach Christ and Him crucified and we too were crucified with Him on the cross and raised in His resurrection.
Our loving Father does not send His children to hell because of the flesh. If that was the case - no Christian would be in heaven.
Our Father will chastise His children and bring about repentance to all of us in whatever area we need it. Your religion of our loving Fahter sending His children to hell is the main reason why the church is in the mess that it is.
I encourage you to preach the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection and then the Christians will have a proper foundation in Christ in order to grow. Your religion is a very poor substitute for knowing our Father and Lord for who they truly are.
I also encourage you to ask the Lord to show you His real gospel and it will bring true deliverance not only to you but to those you come in contact with. He will be faithful to you....