Those whom the Lord Jesus will judge

[Zen]

No hardly.......You admit you sin...so your lost as well right?

NO they are found in iniquity because their sins have not been PAID FOR because they DID NOT TRUST JESUS biblically....they trusted IN THEIR WORKING for café blend salvation

Matthew 7:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Because...

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.


Matthew 22:

[SUP]36 [/SUP]Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

[SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment.

[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[Rockrz]

Salvation by works then.....

No, salvation being in a right relationship with God which results in good works cause we are called unto good works (Ephesians 2:10)

Those walking in the faith that God accept are known by their good works because the God kind of faith always produces good works cause that kind of faith is only found in those that allow the Lord to live in them and walk in them (2 Corinthians 6:16)

When one has this type of relationship with the Lord and they do sin... they are quick to confess and forsake their sin so they can be cleaned afresh (1 John 1:9) and keep their relationship with the Lord intact because in Him there is no darkness.

False grace teachers don't teach this part because they are deceived... they may be well meaning, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[Ariel82]

They did confess Jesus as Lord (so your statement above is incorrect). Look at verse 44 below.

[SUP]41 [/SUP]“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: [SUP]42 [/SUP]for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; [SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

[SUP]44 [/SUP]“Then they also will answer Him,[SUP][b][/SUP] saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ [SUP]45 [/SUP]Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ [SUP]46 [/SUP]And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

The goats had the same faith that demons had in Jesus...mental assent and no true worship.

Luke 4:41 ►
New International Version
Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah.

 

[Rockrz]

New International Version = Nearly Inspired Version

 

[Ariel82]

New International Version = Nearly Inspired Version

Take your pick..

Luke 4:41 Moreover, demons came out of many people, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah.


New Living Translation
Many were possessed by demons; and the demons came out at his command, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But because they knew he was the Messiah, he rebuked them and refused to let them speak.

English Standard Version
And demons also came out of many, crying, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.

Berean Study Bible
Demons also came out of many people, shouting, "You are the Son of God." But He rebuked the demons and would not allow them to speak, because they knew He was the Christ.

Berean Literal Bible
And demons also were going out from many, crying out and saying, "You are the Son of God." And rebuking them, He did not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

New American Standard Bible
Demons also were coming out of many, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But rebuking them, He would not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

King James Bible
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Also, demons were coming out of many, shouting and saying, "You are the Son of God!" But He rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew He was the Messiah.

International Standard Version
Even demons came out of many people, screaming, "You are the Son of God!" But Jesus rebuked them and ordered them not to speak, because they knew he was the Messiah.

NET Bible
Demons also came out of many, crying out, "You are the Son of God!" But he rebuked them, and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.

New Heart English Bible
Demons also came out from many, crying out, and saying, "You are the Son of God." But he rebuked them and did not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Messiah.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And many demons were going out from many as they screamed and they were saying, “You are The Messiah, the Son of God!” And he was rebuking them and he was not allowing them to say that they knew that he was The Messiah.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Demons came out of many people, shouting, "You are the Son of God!" But Jesus ordered them not to speak. After all, they knew he was the Messiah.

New American Standard 1977
And demons also were coming out of many, crying out and saying, “You are the Son of God!” And rebuking them, He would not allow them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And demons also came out of many, crying out and saying, Thou art the Christ, the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak, for they knew that he was the Christ.

King James 2000 Bible
And demons also came out of many, crying out, and saying, You are Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them permitted them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

American King James Version
And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, You are Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

American Standard Version
And demons also came out from many, crying out, and saying, Thou art the Son of God. And rebuking them, he suffered them not to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And devils went out from many, crying out and saying: Thou art the Son of God. And rebuking them he suffered them not to speak, for they knew that he was Christ.

Darby Bible Translation
and demons also went out from many, crying out and saying, Thou art the Son of God. And rebuking them, he suffered them not to speak, because they knew him to be the Christ.

English Revised Version
And devils also came out from many, crying out, and saying, Thou art the Son of God. And rebuking them, he suffered them not to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.

Webster's Bible Translation
And demons also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them, suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ.

Weymouth New Testament
Demons also came out of many, loudly calling out, "You are the Son of God." But He rebuked them and forbad them to speak, because they knew Him to be the Christ.

World English Bible
Demons also came out from many, crying out, and saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of God!" Rebuking them, he didn't allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.

Young's Literal Translation
And demons also were coming forth from many, crying out and saying -- 'Thou art the Christ, the Son of God;' and rebuking, he did not suffer them to speak, because they knew him to be the Christ.

 

[stonesoffire]

Sheep may believe in Father, but not Son..

.[/QUOTE]

Israel - sheep

I don't buy this....

NO man comes unto the Father except thru the SON and to know the Father is to know eternal life.....NO eternal life without JESUS and you cannot come to Christ without being drawn by the FATHER....to know ONE is to KNOW both!

That came out wrong. Israel- sheep

I didn't say anything about sheep knowing Jesus...they only know the Father.

Buy it or not...separation of sheep and goats make no sense until you see that this is nations.

 

[Grace777x70]

[SUP]Revelation 22

12 [/SUP]“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. [SUP]13 [/SUP]I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”[SUP][f][/SUP]

[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blessed are those who do His commandments,[SUP][g][/SUP] that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. [SUP]15 [/SUP]But[SUP][h][/SUP] outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.

What exactly are "all" these commandments in your religion? (We know John tells us exactly what they are in 1 John 3:23 ) but I want to take your religion for a test run and see what is really in it.

What exactly are every one of these commandments we are to do in your interpretation. If every one of them is necessary to do or supposedly in your religion our loving Father will send His beloved children to hell - then we need to know exactly what they are.

Thanks. Don't forget to name every one of these commandments. Don't leave one out.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes indeed every one. Too funny

Seem to be a lot of programs for eternal life being promoted on CC lately.

We have...

The Sin Management Program

The Keep all the Commandments Management Program

The 100% Good Works Management Program

The Obedience Management Program

The Half and Half Management Program.... better known as 50 % grace but since we do not want it too greasy we need add in 50% moral living

....there are probably more it is just to hard to keep track of all the programs these days.

Good News.....God did it His way which is the one true program The Jesus Saves Completely Program

What exactly are "all" these commandments in your religion? (We know John tells us exactly what they are in 1 John 3:23 ) but I want to take your religion for a test run and see what is really in it.

What exactly are every one of these commandments we are to do in your interpretation. If every one of them is necessary to do or supposedly in your religion our loving Father will send His beloved children to hell - then we need to know exactly what they are.

Thanks. Don't forget to name every one of these commandments. Don't leave one out.

 

[graceNpeace]

Exactly bro! The thing is obedience and faith go hand in hand. But the problem with the not of works crowd is that they think doing ANYTHING other than believing something is done for them or something exists is works. Its so silly and really this is the mcdonalds drive-thru version of christianity that is very common in the west unfortunately.

Absolutely, and we are obedient, and we desire to be obedient, because we have faith.
Obedience does not give us faith, obedience does not save us.
Faith saves us and obedience, and the desire to be obedient is the fruit of that.

 

[Rockrz]

Thanks. Don't forget to name every one of these commandments. Don't leave one out.

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Matthew 18:3
Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven

In the New Testament the "commandments" are kept by being IN CHRIST and by allowing the Lord to live in us and walk in us (2 Cor 6:16)... which leads us to do what Jesus did... do what we see the Lord do, and don't do what we see the Lord not doing which includes not walking after the flesh which causes people to not spend eternity with the Lord (Galatians 5:18-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9,10)

Galatians 6:7,9
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:11-13
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Not all that say they are Christians are allowing the Lord to live in them thru the person of the Holy Spirit

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Not all that say they are Christians are being led by the Lord thru the person of the Holy Spirit, by the Word of God.

These are things the false grace TV preachers come up with far out stories to try to explain away... which is why the are false teachers cause they are cherry pickers who reject the whole counsel of God.

 

[Grace777x70]

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Matthew 18:3
Except you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven

In the New Testament the "commandments" are kept by being IN CHRIST and by allowing the Lord to live in us and walk in us (2 Cor 6:16)... which leads us to do what Jesus did... do what we see the Lord do, and don't do what we see the Lord not doing which includes not walking after the flesh which causes people to not spend eternity with the Lord (Galatians 5:18-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9,10)

Galatians 6:7,9
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:11-13
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Not all that say they are Christians are allowing the Lord to live in them thru the person of the Holy Spirit

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Not all that say they are Christians are being led by the Lord thru the person of the Holy Spirit, by the Word of God.

These are things the false grace TV preachers come up with far out stories to try to explain away... which is why the are false teachers cause they are cherry pickers who reject the whole counsel of God.

So, what are all these things in real life? You still didn't say exactly what this means in real life.

What you have described ( except for the Matt. 18:3 scripture which basically says to be born-again by believing Christ's work ) are descriptions of how we need to walk by the spirit so that we don't die early in this life.

These "commandments" have not been told yet in your post in order to stop our loving Father from throwing His beloved children into hell.

So, in your religion someone that has lived by the flesh like had "outbursts of anger" and then died - they would go to hell.

In your religion people that have over-eating ( which is lasciviousness - which means "without restraint" ) and died from a sickness associated with that - they would go to hell too.

Wow, these people that believe in that religion are really going to fall in love with the Lord Jesus Christ when they finally get to hear the true gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work.

I know that John says that these are the commandments of God in the New Covenant.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.

Right believing in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection will lead to right thinking ( a renewed mind ) which leads to right living.

 

[PeterJens]

God will never throw His people into Hell.

But His people show their heart in the way they walk.

So if you do not walk in His ways, you need to finish the work of sanctification
and listen to love and truth in your heart. If you do this in Christ then you will
know His power.

Paul puts it like this, sow to the Spirit, reap life, sow to the flesh, reap death.

It is a choice of encouraging the passions of the flesh in your heart which seem
unconquerable, or encourage the Holy Spirit and His word in your heart and these
things will die and fade, and your walk in Christ will rise up as you are transformed.

So walk in faith and know His deliverance, today, Amen.

 

[mailmandan]

Yes indeed every one. Too funny

Seem to be a lot of programs for eternal life being promoted on CC lately.

We have...

The Sin Management Program

The Keep all the Commandments Management Program

The 100% Good Works Management Program

The Obedience Management Program

The Half and Half Management Program.... better known as 50 % grace but since we do not want it too greasy we need add in 50% moral living

....there are probably more it is just to hard to keep track of all the programs these days.

These self righteous works systems or programs do not save. Only Jesus saves those who truly BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

Good News.....God did it His way which is the one true program The Jesus Saves Completely Program

Amen! The gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation and not in self righteous works programs that pervert the gospel of Christ.

 

[mailmandan]

Absolutely, and we are obedient, and we desire to be obedient, because we have faith.
Obedience does not give us faith, obedience does not save us.
Faith saves us and obedience, and the desire to be obedient is the fruit of that.

Amen! Faith is believing, trusting, relying and obedience which follows and is produced out of faith is works and we are saved through faith, not works. Faith is the root of salvation and obedience/works which follows is the fruit. No obedience/fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.

That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to come to Christ. Their hands are full of their works and they will not let go in order to take hold of Christ through FAITH.

 

[LoveGodForever]

What exactly are "all" these commandments in your religion? (We know John tells us exactly what they are in 1 John 3:23 ) but I want to take your religion for a test run and see what is really in it.

What exactly are every one of these commandments we are to do in your interpretation. If every one of them is necessary to do or supposedly in your religion our loving Father will send His beloved children to hell - then we need to know exactly what they are.

Thanks. Don't forget to name every one of these commandments. Don't leave one out.

Hi Grace777'

Your answer can be found in this Question.

1. What is sin?

If you can answer this question you have the answer

God bless you

 

[Grace777x70]

Hi Grace777'

Your answer can be found in this Question.

1. What is sin?

If you can answer this question you have the answer

God bless you

Whatsoever is not of faith - that is sin. Rom. 14:23

That is why "Repenting to believe in the gospel" just like Jesus said to do is vital for the Christian. As we have received Christ - so we walk in Him which is by grace through faith in what He has done. Mark 1:15 and Col. 2:6

So, if someone doesn't have faith that brings them peace in the area of the Lord providing the finances we need to live - this would be sin and thus would this person go to hell now because of that sin?

 

[Rockrz]

So, what are all these things in real life? You still didn't say exactly what this means in real life.

If you don't know what it means to be in a close personal relationship with the Lord and be led by the Holy Ghost which He always does based on God's Word... then you've got BIG problems!

God will never throw His people into Hell.

Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Those that are workers of iniquity... who are not overcomers (walking after the Spirit, not the flesh)... will go swimming in that lake of fire.

Sadly, this will include some who have been born again and have been deceived into believing it's OK to live as though they are still in the world and still be saved... those that are truly walking with the Lord will not be walking after the flesh.

 

[UnderGrace]

Sadly, this will include some who have been born again and have been deceived into believing it's OK to live as though they are still in the world and still be saved... those that are truly walking with the Lord will not be walking after the flesh.

Thankfully, this will not include those that are born again, because we are not born again by our own righteousness

but by the righteousness of Jesus alone therefore neither are we condemned by our unrighteousness!!

If we could be condemned by our unrighteousness then not one person stands a chance....NO not one!!
Romans 8:1

If you don't know what it means to be in a close personal relationship with the Lord and be led by the Holy Ghost which He always does based on God's Word... then you've got BIG problems!

Luke 12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Those that are workers of iniquity... who are not overcomers (walking after the Spirit, not the flesh)... will go swimming in that lake of fire.

Sadly, this will include some who have been born again and have been deceived into believing it's OK to live as though they are still in the world and still be saved... those that are truly walking with the Lord will not be walking after the flesh.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Sadly, this will include some who have been born again and have been deceived into believing it's OK to live as though they are still in the world and still be saved... those that are truly walking with the Lord will not be walking after the flesh.

No born again one will "go swimming in that lake of fire".


Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels


First of all, the everlasting fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. It is so sad that God will find Himself consigning some men / women to a place He prepared for the devil.


Do you know Who is inside the born again believer? Col 1:27 tells us that the riches of the glory of the mystery is Christ in you, the hope of glory.


So what you are saying is that Christ will be going "swimming in that lake of fire". Shameful, shameful, shameful words you have posted.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Whatsoever is not of faith - that is sin. Rom. 14:23

That is why "Repenting to believe in the gospel" just like Jesus said to do is vital for the Christian. As we have received Christ - so we walk in Him which is by grace through faith in what He has done. Mark 1:15 and Col. 2:6

So, if someone doesn't have faith that brings them peace in the area of the Lord providing the finances we need to live - this would be sin and thus would this person go to hell now because of that sin?

Absolutely, Grace777, without faith it is impossible to please God (Heb 11:26) because our salvation depends on us believing God's Word. It is the means of salvation from our sins. Unbelief (not having faith) in God's Word caused the fall of mankind and has given us the knowledge of good and evil. It is unbelief (not believing God's Word) that separates us from God and leads us to be lost. In light of the above here are a few questions to think about.......

When God tells us to have no other God's before Him and we disobey Him, is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says you should not make any idols and we disobey Him, is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says we should not use His name in vain and we disobey Him, is this having faith in God's Word?

When God tells us to remember His Sabbath day and keep it Holy and we disobey God is this having faith in God's Word?

When God tells is to honor our mother and father and we disobey Him is this having faith in Gods Word?

When God says to us do not commit adultery and we commit adultery is this unbelief (not having faith)?

When God tells us not to lie and we lie is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says to us not to steal, and we steal is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says to us not to kill, and we kill is this having faith in God's Word?

When God says to us not to covet our neighbors things and we disobey God, is this having faith in God's Word?

All the above can be summed up as ......

"And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." (Deut 6:5) and "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD. (Lev 19:18). On these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets (Matt 22:40)

Not having faith is a sin because your rejecting Gods Word. The word of God clearly tells us though that...

"Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." (1John 3:4)

Faith is the means to salvation but obedience is the fruit of salvation.....

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believe that there is one God; thou does well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? (James 2:17-20).

May God Bless you