Three Days and Three Nights

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Endoscopy,
re: "Keep in mind that Jesus was very specific about the time frame. Therefore your question seems to be trying to find a way to reduce the amount of time."


As I previously wrote , the OP was poorly written with regard to it's purpose. However, it was clarified in a number of subsequent posts - most recently in posts #638, #645 and #660. The one and only issue is with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
ROFL
And here I never ever mistate anything. I have a bridge to Brooklyn I can sell you. New York is having a money problem. Want to buy it? You can then set up a toll booth to get back your investment plus a profit. (A wealthy man during the Great Depression fell for that.)
 

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Endoscopy,

I have no idea what your post #681 has to do with anything I've written. Perhaps you could explain?
 

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preacher4truth,

You have a question directed to you in post #660.
 

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Maybe someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.
 

Endoscopy

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Um, no.

"The Day of Preparation was always Friday, the day before the Sabbath. Mark 15:42 makes this clear."

more: https://www.gotquestions.org/Day-of-Preparation.html
There is a preparation day before every Sabbath whether or not it is weekly or annual Sabbaths. The preparation day is for preparing food and other work that needs to be done before the Sabbath begins. I have seen this in Israel when I stayed at a hotel that observed the Sabbath. A long table was put in place with food and drinks for those staying in the hotel. When sunset occurred the restaurant and other nonessential services were shut down.
 

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Addendum
I arrived in Israel during Passover week. I saw what happened first hand. Preparation Day before the annual Sabbath was the same as before the weekly Sabbath!!! I witnessed this myself! That link is in error about actions prior to the annual Sabbaths. The rules about all Sabbaths do not change for annual Sabbaths thus the Preparation Day is required for all Sabbaths.
 

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Endoscopy,

I have no idea what your post #681 has to do with anything I've written. Perhaps you could explain?
Obviously you never took a logic class.
It is a logical fallacy.
The logic
A implies B
It is not the case that the antecedent (A) is true and the consequent (B) is false.

By making the consequent false the antecedent is false. When anybody makes the statement "I'll be a monkey's uncle" they are using this fallacy.

Therefore my statement about not mistaking anything is false. I was making a joke
 
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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
I don't see how there are any questions about how many days he was in the tomb or which day of the week he was crucified on. Christ was in the grave 3 literal days and nights. There are no "Jewish idioms" involved in this story.

Saturday - Christ rose from the dead on the Sabbath day (regular Sabbath day), just before the sun rose to bring in the 7th day (Mat 28:1). This is third day and night in the grave.

Friday - The high Sabbath day (Joh 19:31) second day and night in the grave.

Thursday - The day Christ was crucified, the day of Passover (Mat 26:2) also the preparation day (John 19:31)). The first day and night Christ was in the grave.
 

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KJV1611,
re: "I don't see how there are any questions about how many days he was in the tomb or which day of the week he was crucified on. Christ was in the grave 3 literal days and nights. There are no 'Jewish idioms' involved in this story."

As I previously wrote , the OP was poorly written with regard to it's purpose. However, it was clarified in a number of subsequent posts - most recently in posts #638, #645 and #660. The one and only issue is with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.

BTW, you wrote that Thursday was the first day and night Christ was in the grave. Actually, the night time had been over at least 9 hours by the time of the burial.
 
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KJV1611,
re: "I don't see how there are any questions about how many days he was in the tomb or which day of the week he was crucified on. Christ was in the grave 3 literal days and nights. There are no 'Jewish idioms' involved in this story."

As I previously wrote , the OP was poorly written with regard to it's purpose. However, it was clarified in a number of subsequent posts - most recently in posts #638, #645 and #660. The one and only issue is with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.

BTW, you wrote that Thursday was the first day and night Christ was in the grave. Actually, the night time had been over at least 9 hours by the time of the burial.
The ninth hour is 3 o’clock in the afternoon isn’t it?
 

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KJV1611,
re: "The ninth hour is 3 o’clock in the afternoon isn’t it?"

I think that was the case at the time. Any particular reason for asking?
 
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KJV1611,
re: "The ninth hour is 3 o’clock in the afternoon isn’t it?"

I think that was the case at the time. Any particular reason for asking?
Maybe I misunderstood you, but you said:
BTW, you wrote that Thursday was the first day and night Christ was in the grave. Actually, the night time had been over at least 9 hours by the time of the burial.
I assumed you meant Christ died at night which means the first day could not have been a day and night.

Christ died ay the 9th hour (3 o’clock in the afternoon ) which means that on Thursday, Christ was in the grave one day and one night.
 

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KJV1611,
re: "I assumed you meant Christ died at night..."

You asssumed incorrectly. Scripture says it was the 9th hour which I think is generally thought of as around 3pm which you noted. It also indicates that the burial took place before the start of the next calendar day. This means that He couldn't have spent any part of the night time of the day of the burial in the tomb.
 
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KJV1611,
re: "I assumed you meant Christ died at night..."

You asssumed incorrectly. Scripture says it was the 9th hour which I think is generally thought of as around 3pm which you noted. It also indicates that the burial took place before the start of the next calendar day. This means that He couldn't have spent any part of the night time of the day of the burial in the tomb.
Are you kidding? 3 o’clock in the afternoon means that night for that same day follows in a few hours. Am I missing something?
 

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KJV1611,
re: "Are you kidding? 3 o’clock in the afternoon means that night for that same day follows in a few hours. Am I missing something?"

Ahhh, I think I see the problem. You for some reason think the new calendar day starts at sunrise and not at sunset.
 
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KJV1611,
re: "Are you kidding? 3 o’clock in the afternoon means that night for that same day follows in a few hours. Am I missing something?"

Ahhh, I think I see the problem. You for some reason think the new calendar day starts at sunrise and not at sunset.
Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. What does a calendar day have to do with anything?
 

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KJV1611,
re: "Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. What does a calendar day have to do with anything?"

You're changing the issue. You wrote that Thursday was the first day and night Christ was in the grave. I merely was questioning that assertion since a sundown to sundown calendar day would only allow for a daytime in the tomb. The night time of that calendar day was already over by the time of the burial. That was the issue with regard to my comment.
 
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KJV1611,
re: "Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. What does a calendar day have to do with anything?"

You're changing the issue. You wrote that Thursday was the first day and night Christ was in the grave. I merely was questioning that assertion since a sundown to sundown calendar day would only allow for a daytime in the tomb. The night time of that calendar day was already over by the time of the burial. That was the issue with regard to my comment.
Ok gotcha.
 

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KJV1611,
re: "Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights. What does a calendar day have to do with anything?"

You're changing the issue. You wrote that Thursday was the first day and night Christ was in the grave. I merely was questioning that assertion since a sundown to sundown calendar day would only allow for a daytime in the tomb. The night time of that calendar day was already over by the time of the burial. That was the issue with regard to my comment.
The scripture states that Jesus was crucified on the preparation day of a high day during Passover week. It also states the tomb was empty Sunday. Counting backwards from Sunday the latest day of the week he was crucified was Wednesday. It was stated they were needing to break the legs of the other two crucified men to get all three buried before sunset and the begining of the Sabbath which was a high day (annual Sabbath). Thus at sunset the Sabbath started on Thursday. Thursday, Friday and Saturday using today’s names of the week. Tomb empty Sunday morning. He rose on Saturday near sunset. Thus the tomb was empty before Sunday using the sunset to sunset of the method of naming the day.

They still use this method in Israel today. I arrived in Israel for work during Passover and stayed in a hotel that was run by religious Jews. On Preparation Day the hotel sets out a buffet table of food in the afternoon for the guests to eat since the restaurant in the hotel would be closed at sunset starting the Sabbath. Saw the 2 Preparation Days of the annual Sabbath and the weekly Sabbath being done with a day or two between them.
 

rstrats

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Endoscopy,

Why did you quote my post #697 reply to KJV1611 in your post #699 and then comment on a different issue?