In making these assumptions they have to ignore what the Gospels state about Jesus prophecy about the crucifiction and the facts given about the sequence of it. They ignore or are ignorant about weekly and annual Sabbaths. For example 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. That means buried for that length of time with the tomb empty Sunday morning making the latest resurrection on Saturday late afternoon. Count backwards to get the day of the week he was buried on.
Three Days and Three Nights
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Endoscopy,
re: "The problem is those stating Friday burial and Sunday morning resurrection ignore what the Gospels clearly state. 1. He was crucified during Passover week. 2. There are annual Sabbaths in addition to the weekly Sabbaths. 3. Pesach aka Passover week begins and ends with an annual Sabbath. 4. The Gospels never state Friday. It instead states Preparation Day which precedes ANY Sabbath. 5. Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights because his sign of being the Messiah was the sign of Jonah. 6. The tomb was empty on Sunday."
All issues for a different topic.
re: "Item 4 is where you go into error."
Where have I stated that scripture states "Friday"? Please be specific.
re: "Explain how you get 3 days and 3 nights between Friday late afternoon to an empty tomb Sunday morning."
I can't. Where did I say it can be explained? Please be specific.
BTW, you have a question directed to you in post # 651.
re: "The problem is those stating Friday burial and Sunday morning resurrection ignore what the Gospels clearly state. 1. He was crucified during Passover week. 2. There are annual Sabbaths in addition to the weekly Sabbaths. 3. Pesach aka Passover week begins and ends with an annual Sabbath. 4. The Gospels never state Friday. It instead states Preparation Day which precedes ANY Sabbath. 5. Jesus was in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights because his sign of being the Messiah was the sign of Jonah. 6. The tomb was empty on Sunday."
All issues for a different topic.
re: "Item 4 is where you go into error."
Where have I stated that scripture states "Friday"? Please be specific.
re: "Explain how you get 3 days and 3 nights between Friday late afternoon to an empty tomb Sunday morning."
I can't. Where did I say it can be explained? Please be specific.
BTW, you have a question directed to you in post # 651.
One detail is left out of that lengthy discussion. Passover is not just a day but a week long event beginning and ending with an annual Sabbath. The Gospels mention the Crucifixion was during the Passover week.
Therefore the Sabbath the discussion is detailing is the second Sabbath of the Passover week.
Therefore the Sabbath the discussion is detailing is the second Sabbath of the Passover week.
Endoscopy,
re: "You ignore the fact that as I previously stated it is directly on topic."
I didn't ignore it; I discounted it as a fact. This topic is concerned with one thing and only one thing. None of your replies provide examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
re: "You ignore the fact that as I previously stated it is directly on topic."
I didn't ignore it; I discounted it as a fact. This topic is concerned with one thing and only one thing. None of your replies provide examples which show that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.
Let's see.
1. Jesus stated that the only sign that he was the Messiah was sign of Jonah. As Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and 3 nights so he was going to be in tomb for 3 days and 3 nights.
2. The concept of Friday evening to Sunday morning being 3 days and 3 nights is ludicrous.
3. There is no way that that specific prophecy could be fulfilled from Friday late afternoon to Sunday morning.
This prophecy in no way could be considered as symbolically not meaning the actual length of time. It was too specifically stated by Jesus as a prophecy indicating the length of time was very important. It signified who he was!!! Therefore your original post is invalid because of the significance of the time.
1. Jesus stated that the only sign that he was the Messiah was sign of Jonah. As Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and 3 nights so he was going to be in tomb for 3 days and 3 nights.
2. The concept of Friday evening to Sunday morning being 3 days and 3 nights is ludicrous.
3. There is no way that that specific prophecy could be fulfilled from Friday late afternoon to Sunday morning.
This prophecy in no way could be considered as symbolically not meaning the actual length of time. It was too specifically stated by Jesus as a prophecy indicating the length of time was very important. It signified who he was!!! Therefore your original post is invalid because of the significance of the time.
Endoscopy,
re: "1. Jesus stated that the only sign that he was the Messiah was sign of Jonah. As Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and 3 nights so he was going to be in tomb for 3 days and 3 nights."
Agree.
re: "2. The concept of Friday evening to Sunday morning being 3 days and 3 nights is ludicrous."
Agree.
re: "3. There is no way that that specific prophecy could be fulfilled from Friday late afternoon to Sunday morning."
Agree.
re: "This prophecy in no way could be considered as symbolically not meaning the actual length of time. It was too specifically stated by Jesus as a prophecy indicating the length of time was very important. It signified who he was!!!"
Agree.
re: "Therefore your original post is invalid because of the significance of the time."
Disagree. It is not invalid. The above comments deal with a different issue from the issue of this topic. This topic is concerned with one issue and only one issue.
re: "1. Jesus stated that the only sign that he was the Messiah was sign of Jonah. As Jonah was in the belly of the big fish for 3 days and 3 nights so he was going to be in tomb for 3 days and 3 nights."
Agree.
re: "2. The concept of Friday evening to Sunday morning being 3 days and 3 nights is ludicrous."
Agree.
re: "3. There is no way that that specific prophecy could be fulfilled from Friday late afternoon to Sunday morning."
Agree.
re: "This prophecy in no way could be considered as symbolically not meaning the actual length of time. It was too specifically stated by Jesus as a prophecy indicating the length of time was very important. It signified who he was!!!"
Agree.
re: "Therefore your original post is invalid because of the significance of the time."
Disagree. It is not invalid. The above comments deal with a different issue from the issue of this topic. This topic is concerned with one issue and only one issue.
Your statement.
I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
Keep in mind that Jesus was very specific about the time frame. Therefore your question seems to be trying to find a way to reduce the amount of time.
I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
Keep in mind that Jesus was very specific about the time frame. Therefore your question seems to be trying to find a way to reduce the amount of time.
Endoscopy,
re: "Keep in mind that Jesus was very specific about the time frame. Therefore your question seems to be trying to find a way to reduce the amount of time."
As I previously wrote , the OP was poorly written with regard to it's purpose. However, it was clarified in a number of subsequent posts - most recently in posts #638, #645 and #660. The one and only issue is with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.
re: "Keep in mind that Jesus was very specific about the time frame. Therefore your question seems to be trying to find a way to reduce the amount of time."
As I previously wrote , the OP was poorly written with regard to it's purpose. However, it was clarified in a number of subsequent posts - most recently in posts #638, #645 and #660. The one and only issue is with regard to the commonality of forecasting or saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur.