Three Days and Three Nights

[just-me]

All this had to transpire before midnight the 14th to line up with Exodus 12 - before the firstborn of the Egyptians were killed.

Jesus love for us never ceases to amaze me!

Why?
This next verse indicates Jesus appeared before Pilate "about the sixth hour" after He was arrested, or possibly 6 hours after midnight. I go with arrested. He couldn't have appeared before Pilate at noon, which would be the sixth hour of the day. He was already on the cross during that time.

John 19:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Yes this was the Passover...

Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

There is nothing in the Greek that says that the bread was leavened.

In verse 26 - While they were eating, Jesus took bread - artos is the Gk word for "bread", never used for unleavened bread; the Gk word for "unleavened bread" is azumos - different Gk words - different meanings
Luke 22:14 I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. This sentence contains a figure of speech called polyptoton and its when the same root word is used but with different inflection or form - Jesus was emphasizing the great desire he had to eat THIS Passover with his disciples "I have desired" aorist tense indicating a one time action in the past so literally he said - "At one time I did desire" because he knew that the hour had come for him to suffer.

No, because Christ became the Passover Lamb and He instituted the New Testament Passover symbols of bread and wine in place of the Lamb and bitter herbs. He had the authority to do this and as we have seen in His own words He said that it was the Passover...

Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Mar 14:13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
Mar 14:14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Mar 14:15 And he will shew you a large upper room furnished and prepared: there make ready for us.
Mar 14:16 And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
Mar 14:17 And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.

Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
Luk 22:9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
Luk 22:10 And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.
Luk 22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
Luk 22:12 And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready.
Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
Luk 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

Okay. . . . but if you'll notice in each example posted -
Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Mar 14:16 And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.

Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
Luk 22:9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover

John 13:1,2 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. And supper being ended . . . . This was simply Jesus last meal before his crucifixion. This is the first time scripture indicates that Jesus knew the exact hour of his death. Before that he only knew that he would die around Passover so yes, he did arrange and prepare to eat the Passover meal. And we can see that in all the verses posted; they were to prepare and make ready for the passover.

It may be little thing but the Israelites were commanded to eat with the loins girded, feet shod, and staff in hand. This indicates that they were to eat standing and that they were to be prepared to leave at a moment's notice, to eat with haste. This is a leisurely meal and at the end of the meal, the last meal Jesus would have before his death; he set up a memorial for them to do in remembrance of him after his death. Also after this meal is the record of Jesus washing the disciples feet in John 13:4-16 showing and being an example of great love and service.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Why?
This next verse indicates Jesus appeared before Pilate "about the sixth hour" after He was arrested, or possibly 6 hours after midnight. I go with arrested. He couldn't have appeared before Pilate at noon, which would be the sixth hour of the day. He was already on the cross during that time.

John 19:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

Why did it all have to occur before midnight? To follow Exodus 12 . . . .
Jesus appeared before Pilate - Matthew 27:1,2 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against jesus to put him to death: and when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. (Mark 15:1; Luke 23:1-6; John 18:28-38)
He appeared before Herod - Luke 23:7-12 When Pilate heard of Galilee . . .and as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod . . . . Then later he was returned to Pilate where Pilate appealed to the Judeans three separate times to release Jesus (Matt. 27:11-25; Mark 15:2-14; Luke 23:13-23; John 18:39-19:15); He was sentenced or delivered unto the people to be crucified by Pilate around the sixth hour. (John 19:14; Matt. 27:26; Mark 15:15; Luke 23:24,25; John 19:16)

 

[john832]

John
I know we have discussed this before, and have concluded that we disagree on this one point that is probably more important to you than me. I won't pursue argument, but I just wanted your thoughts about the weekly Sabbath. (the 17th)

If Jesus was to follow the law with perfection, and He did, would it not be worth consideration that He completed His rest before His resurrection from the dead? With the 15th day begining the evening of the 14th, these next verses are very enlightening.

It appears to me that Jesus was buried after dark. It took time for Joseph to negotiate with Pilate, take Jesus' body from the cross, wrap Him up, carry Him to the tomb, and and roll the stone in front of the entrance. This process started in the evening instead of ending in the evening or at the time of Jesus' death.

Matthew 12:40 (KJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. (Meaning the burial is completed, not the 9th hour when He died)

Matthew 27:57-60 (KJV)
[SUP]57 [/SUP]When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
[SUP]58 [/SUP]He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
[SUP]59 [/SUP]And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
[SUP]60 [/SUP]And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.

Mark 8:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Concerning being buried after dark, the annual Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread, would have begun at sunset...

Jamieson Fausset and Brown...

Joh_19:31-42. Burial of Christ.
the preparation — sabbath eve.
that the bodies should not remain — over night, against the Mosaic law (Deu_21:22, Deu_21:23).
on the sabbath day, for that sabbath day was an high day — or “great” day - the first day of unleavened bread, and, as concurring with an ordinary sabbath, the most solemn season of the ecclesiastical year. Hence their peculiar jealousy lest the law should be infringed.
besought Pilate that their legs might be broken — to hasten their death, which was done in such cases with clubs.

John Gill has...

that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day; which was now drawing near: according to the Jewish law, Deu_21:22 the body of one that was hanged on a tree was not to remain all night, but to be taken down that day and buried; though this was not always observed; see 2Sa_21:9. What was the usage of the Jews at this time is not certain; according to the Roman laws, such bodies hung until they were putrefied, or eaten by birds of prey; wherefore that their land might not be defiled, and especially their sabbath, by their remaining on the cross, they desire to have them taken down:

Adam Clarke...

That the bodies should not remain - For the law, Deu_21:22, Deu_21:23, ordered that the bodies of criminals should not hang all night; and they did not wish to have the Sabbath profaned by either taking them down on that day, or letting them hang to disturb the joy of that holy time. Probably their consciences began to sting them for what they had done, and they wished to remove the victim of their malice out of their sight.

There is every reason to believe He was taken down from the cross before sunset.

As far as after three days in Mark 8:31...

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Within three days.

Mat 17:23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry.

On the third day.

And of course Mark 8:31...

Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

There is only one period of time that can fit all of these conditions, exactly 72 hours. Exactly three days and three nights just as He said in Mat 12:39-40.

 

[john832]

In verse 26 - While they were eating, Jesus took bread - artos is the Gk word for "bread", never used for unleavened bread; the Gk word for "unleavened bread" is azumos - different Gk words - different meanings
Luke 22:14 I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. This sentence contains a figure of speech called polyptoton and its when the same root word is used but with different inflection or form - Jesus was emphasizing the great desire he had to eat THIS Passover with his disciples "I have desired" aorist tense indicating a one time action in the past so literally he said - "At one time I did desire" because he knew that the hour had come for him to suffer.

Okay. . . . but if you'll notice in each example posted -
Mar 14:12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Mar 14:16 And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.

Luk 22:8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.
Luk 22:9 And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare?
Luk 22:13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover

John 13:1,2 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end. And supper being ended . . . . This was simply Jesus last meal before his crucifixion. This is the first time scripture indicates that Jesus knew the exact hour of his death. Before that he only knew that he would die around Passover so yes, he did arrange and prepare to eat the Passover meal.And we can see that in all the verses posted; they were to prepare and make ready for the passover.

It may be little thing but the Israelites were commanded to eat with the loins girded, feet shod, and staff in hand. This indicates that they were to eat standing and that they were to be prepared to leave at a moment's notice, to eat with haste. This is a leisurely meal and at the end of the meal, the last meal Jesus would have before his death; he set up a memorial for them to do in remembrance of him after his death. Also after this meal is the record of Jesus washing the disciples feet in John 13:4-16 showing and being an example of great love and service.

Yes, but He and His disciples ate the Passover just as He said the evening the Passover began. The Passover is not a Sabbath, it is not a holy convocation which required no work...

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Notice the Days of Unleavened Bread are seven days and the first and last day are Sabbaths. The Passover is not a Sabbath neither is it within the Days of Unleavened Bread as witnessed by John 19:31. He was crucified the day before the Sabbath.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Yes, but He and His disciples ate the Passover just as He said the evening the Passover began. The Passover is not a Sabbath, it is not a holy convocation which required no work...

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Notice the Days of Unleavened Bread are seven days and the first and last day are Sabbaths. The Passover is not a Sabbath neither is it within the Days of Unleavened Bread as witnessed by John 19:31. He was crucified the day before the Sabbath.

Let me see - Jesus was crucified on Passover before midnight. He ate his last supper (John 13:1,2 Now before the feast of passover. . . .And supper being ended . . . . (John 13:1,2) When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against jesus to put him to death: and when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. (Mark 15:1; Luke 23:1-6; John 18:28-38) When morning was come - what morning? . . . the morning of the 14th.

"He was crucified the day before the Sabbath." I agree -The day the Lamb should be slaughtered for Passover & the day Jesus would be tried, condemned, sentenced, and crucified all in that same day then his body had to be removed before the Sabbath - the next day which would be the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread - a high Sabbath. (15th of Nisan) The meal that we have been discussing would have been eaten on the evening ending the twelfth and beginning the thirteenth of Nisan - and John's record in John 13:1,2 clearly substantiates that it was before the feast of Passover.

How could he partake of something that he was to be? Jesus was the Passover Lamb. If the Lamb was slaughtered and eaten before Passover how could Jesus have been the Passover Lamb - were they to have two Passovers? one with a male lamb and one with Jesus? Jesus should be crucified the minute the male lamb was slaughtered . . . . .Jesus was the Passover Lamb.

 

[john832]

Let me see - Jesus was crucified on Passover before midnight.

No, the scripture plainly says He was crucified the next morning.

He ate his last supper (John 13:1,2 Now before the feast of passover. . . .And supper being ended . . . . (John 13:1,2) When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against jesus to put him to death: and when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor. (Mark 15:1; Luke 23:1-6; John 18:28-38) When morning was come - what morning? . . . the morning of the 14th.

Yes, He was crucified about 9:00AM the morning of the 14th.

"He was crucified the day before the Sabbath." I agree -The day the Lamb should be slaughtered for Passover & the day Jesus would be tried, condemned, sentenced, and crucified all in that same day then his body had to be removed before the Sabbath - the next day which would be the first day of the feast of Unleavened Bread - a high Sabbath. (15th of Nisan) The meal that we have been discussing would have been eaten on the evening ending the twelfth and beginning the thirteenth of Nisan - and John's record in John 13:1,2 clearly substantiates that it was before the feast of Passover.

No the meal we have been discussing would have been on the evening of the end of the 13th/the beginning of the 14th just after sunset. He was taken later that night, brought before Pilate the next morning, crucified about 9:00am, dies about 3:00pm as the Passover lambes were being killed by the Jews and buried before sunset on Wednesday, the 14th.

How could he partake of something that he was to be? Jesus was the Passover Lamb. If the Lamb was slaughtered and eaten before Passover how could Jesus have been the Passover Lamb - were they to have two Passovers? one with a male lamb and one with Jesus? Jesus should be crucified the minute the male lamb was slaughtered . . . . .Jesus was the Passover Lamb.

He DIED at the time the lambs were killed by the Jews. 3:00pm on the 14th.

He changed the Passover service from the traditional lamb and bitter herbs to unleavened bread and wine. He also changed the time in which we should keep it. He is God, He instituted the Passover and He does have the authority to do just that.

If you are absolutely convinced of a Good Friday/Sunday morning timeframe, perhaps you can show us how to count it out.

 

[just-me]

He changed the Passover service from the traditional lamb and bitter herbs to unleavened bread and wine. He also changed the time in which we should keep it. He is God, He instituted the Passover and He does have the authority to do just that.

If you are absolutely convinced of a Good Friday/Sunday morning timeframe, perhaps you can show us how to count it out.

I agree with you on everything up to this point. If Jesus didn't come to change one jot or tittle in the law, why would you say He change the Passover in this case? See post #40. The 14th is the day they prepared the lamb and put the blood on the doorposts. The 15th is the time God said He would passover. Jesus change nothing.

 

[just-me]

Good Friday doesn't apply in any way, by the way LOL

 

[john832]

I agree with you on everything up to this point. If Jesus didn't come to change one jot or tittle in the law, why would you say He change the Passover in this case? See post #40. The 14th is the day they prepared the lamb and put the blood on the doorposts. The 15th is the time God said He would passover. Jesus change nothing.

He said not a jot or tittle would pass From the Law...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

He (and ONLY He) does have the authority to change how we apply the Law...

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Note here that the Priesthood is not done away with. What is changed is what tribe the High Priest may come from. In the beginning, the High Priest was of the order of Melchisidec. Christ then instituted the Levitical (Aaronic) Priesthood and it was temporary. Now the Priesthood has been changed back to the Melchisidec Priesthood. Again, He and only He has the authority to do this.

 

[john832]

Good Friday doesn't apply in any way, by the way LOL

I think we all know that. Friday was just the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.

 

[just-me]

I think we all know that. Friday was just the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.

You misunderstood me I think. The 14th was the prep day for the Passover

 

[peacefulbeliever]

No, the scripture plainly says He was crucified the next morning.

Yes, He was crucified about 9:00AM the morning of the 14th.

Nope - Jesus went before Pilate "early morning" the 14th, then he appeared before Herod that same morning - then again to Pilate later and was sentenced by Pilate around the sixth hour which would correspond with our noon.
Scripture also says "from the sixth hour (noon) there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour (3:00pm). . . .And about the ninth hour (about 3:00pm) Jesus yielded up the ghost."

No the meal we have been discussing would have been on the evening of the end of the 13th/the beginning of the 14th just after sunset.

He was taken later that night, brought before Pilate the next morning, crucified about 9:00am, dies about 3:00pm as the Passover lambes were being killed by the Jews and buried before sunset on Wednesday, the 14th.
He DIED at the time the lambs were killed by the Jews. 3:00pm on the 14th.

He changed the Passover service from the traditional lamb and bitter herbs to unleavened bread and wine. He also changed the time in which we should keep it. He is God, He instituted the Passover and He does have the authority to do just that.

If you are absolutely convinced of a Good Friday/Sunday morning timeframe, perhaps you can show us how to count it out.

I am not and have not been trying to convince anyone of a Good Friday to Sunday morning time frame. . . . you are confusing what I say when I say - Sabbath - as meaning Sunday. There were weekly sabbaths and there were high holy days, convocation days that were also considered sabbath days. Therefore the Feast of Unleavened Bread to begin the 15th of Nisan would have been considered a High Day, a special Sabbath even though it was Wednesday/Thursday. And here I thought we were still arguing over the meal. . . .lol.

 

[just-me]

He said not a jot or tittle would pass From the Law...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

He (and ONLY He) does have the authority to change how we apply the Law...

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Note here that the Priesthood is not done away with. What is changed is what tribe the High Priest may come from. In the beginning, the High Priest was of the order of Melchisidec. Christ then instituted the Levitical (Aaronic) Priesthood and it was temporary. Now the Priesthood has been changed back to the Melchisidec Priesthood. Again, He and only He has the authority to do this.

Yes the priesthood is not done away with, but there was only one change to the law and that was from the tribe of Levi to Judah, On the mount of transfiguration, with Moses and Elijah being present.
Malachi 3:6 (KJV) [SUP]
6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

No other change was prophesied other than this.
Isaiah 65:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

I find no change of Passover in prophecy.

 

[just-me]

Nope - Jesus went before Pilate "early morning" the 14th, then he appeared before Herod that same morning - then again to Pilate later and was sentenced by Pilate around the sixth hour which would correspond with our noon.

from post #41
This next verse indicates Jesus appeared before Pilate "about the sixth hour" after He was arrested, or possibly 6 hours after midnight. I go with arrested. He couldn't have appeared before Pilate at noon, which would be the sixth hour of the day. He was already on the cross during that time.

John 19:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

From what you describe there would have been approximately 21 hours between the time Jesus appeared before Pilate and the beginning of the crucifixion. That would cause the misconception that Jesus was killed on the 15th day.

In Exodus the people ate the Passover starting when it was killed, and left nothing by morning.

 

[john832]

Yes the priesthood is not done away with, but there was only one change to the law and that was from the tribe of Levi to Judah, On the mount of transfiguration, with Moses and Elijah being present.
Malachi 3:6 (KJV) [SUP]
6 [/SUP]For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Hebrews 13:8 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

No other change was prophesied other than this.
Isaiah 65:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

I find no change of Passover in prophecy.

Then you ignore this...

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The Old Testament Passover did not include the broken body and the shed blood.

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

And we have seen from scripture that this was the night they ate the Passover, the night before His crucifixion and the night before the beginning of the Frist Day of Unleavened Bread.

1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

So, if you see no change in the Passover, you reject the bread and wine and footwashing?

Joh 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

From Bullinger's...

John 13:1

Now. Not the same word as in Joh_12:27, Joh_12:31, expressing a point of time, but a particle (Greek. de) introducing a new subject.

before. Greek. pro. App-104. The preparation day, the 14th day of Nisan, our Tuesday sunset to Wednesday sunset, the day of the Crucifixion. See App-156,

Joh 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
Joh 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
Joh 13:4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
Joh 13:5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Joh 13:6 Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
Joh 13:7 Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
Joh 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Joh 13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
Joh 13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
Joh 13:11 For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
Joh 13:12 So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
Joh 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Joh 13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Joh 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Joh 13:17 If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.

The foot washing service was not part of the Old Covenant Passover service, do you reject this also?

 

[just-me]

Then you ignore this...

Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
Mat 26:27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

*The Old Testament Passover did not include the broken body and the shed blood.

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

1 Corinthians 11:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

*So how was the lamb prepared in Exodus if it wasn't butchered?

And we have seen from scripture that this was the night they ate the Passover, the night before His crucifixion and the night before the beginning of the Frist Day of Unleavened Bread.

As I said before. the lamb was killed and prepared on the 14th day. The last supper, clear up until Jesus dies was all during the 14th day. That is no different that Exodus. Just because Jesus ate the Passover before He died doesn't make it a different day than in Exodus.

1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

So, if you see no change in the Passover, you reject the bread and wine and footwashing?

Joh 13:1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

Now why the foot washing? This should be understandable to you.
Exodus 30:17-21 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt also make a laver of brass, and his foot also of brass, to wash withal: and thou shalt put it between the tabernacle of the congregation and the altar, and thou shalt put water therein.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For Aaron and his sons shall wash their hands and their feet thereat:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]When they go into the tabernacle of the congregation, they shall wash with water, that they die not; or when they come near to the altar to minister, to burn offering made by fire unto the LORD:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]So they shall wash their hands and their feet, that they die not: and it shall be a statute for ever to them, even to him and to his seed throughout their generations.

Jesus confirms why He did this during the last supper in the prayer He offered up before His arrest.

John 17:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

 

[just-me]

Jesus is the Lamb of sacrifice, and the Passover is the action of God. So in actuality, "Passover" is not a noun but a verb used with subject.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

from post #41
This next verse indicates Jesus appeared before Pilate "about the sixth hour" after He was arrested, or possibly 6 hours after midnight. I go with arrested. He couldn't have appeared before Pilate at noon, which would be the sixth hour of the day. He was already on the cross during that time.

John 19:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

From what you describe there would have been approximately 21 hours between the time Jesus appeared before Pilate and the beginning of the crucifixion. That would cause the misconception that Jesus was killed on the 15th day.

In Exodus the people ate the Passover starting when it was killed, and left nothing by morning.

I tell ya I think I am getting confused with this time thingy - trying to think of sunset to sunset as a day is wrecking my brain! I did okay until I started with the "time". . . Back to the ole drawing board . .

 

[john832]

Jesus is the Lamb of sacrifice, and the Passover is the action of God. So in actuality, "Passover" is not a noun but a verb used with subject.

1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.