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Red_Tory

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Aren't we supposed to have one world government during the end times? I'm still waiting to see if all kindred, tounges and nations will be united under a single banner.

Has he said anything about that?
 
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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

Elijah told them to pour water and dig a trench around it and fill it and pour even more water on it, didnt stop the fire of God coming down from heaven, the latter rain is nearing, the outpouring of His Spirit over all mankind, as the world gets darker, Gods people will shine brighter, no matter how much some try to water it down, the fire of God. it will be the die hards that miss it, caught up in doctrines of man, sad, for the Holy Spirit reveals the truth, not doctrines of man, not history of churches, God just seeks those who worship Him in spirit and truth, truth that Jesus died on the cross and the fulness of that work in our lives......

grace upon grace - grace and truth. everything outside of that is by works - self righteousness, yoke of the law - ministry of death and condemnation

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Sisit777

I will match your faith, I will even compare and match your Bible knowledge as well....Your basic Problem is your all hyped up about this " Prophet" and OUR BIBLE teaches.is Not put any trust in Man, no matter who they say they are.

The Devil loves to get dedicated Christians to listen to people like this "Prophet" Jesus himself will send the signs when he is ready. Yes, get ready to meet Jesus, I agree, but focus on Jesus alone.....
 
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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

God has revealed to Bruce Allen that we are entering into what is prophetically called the Seventh Day, when God’s promises for your life are fulfilled and your prayers answered effortlessly...
Bruce Allen should have read his Bible before he miss spoke on this one...

God's Word already told us the promises of God are fullfilled in our life:
"...all the promises of God in Him are Yes, and in Him Amen, to the glory of God..."- 2nd Cor 1:20

God's Word already told us that our prayers are already answered effortlessly:
"If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you." -John 15:7


This has been readily available to anyone who has been and is in Jesus Christ. Bruce Allen's "prophetic" word is an insult to what Christ has provided and been providing since his coming according to scripture. That's pretty sad for him to make people think contrary to scripture by his obvious unprophetic "prophetic" word.

That's great miracles are being done in Christ's name...but that doesn't validate anything that Bruce Allen has said, it validates Christ...that's all.

"MANY will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" - Matthew 7:22,23

Plenty of people work miracles and wonders in Jesus' name....among them was Judas. Don't be fooled to believe peoples' words just because they work a miracle.

So to sum it all up....Bruce Allen- bad teaching on this and a far cry from prophetic; miracles in Jesus' name woohoo!
 
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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

Ok.. My take on the Bruce Allen Series... (out of curiosity I decided to listen to it)

His "seventh day" theory is based on a misinterpretation of the 2 Peter passage.
Peter is not giving a mathematical equation stating that all God's days equal 1000 years. He is giving a comparison, saying that the progression of time with God is not like the progression of time with us. To proceed from this to argue that we are in the seventh day is therefore without foundation.

The time that we are living in is moving into a heavy emphasis on the mystical, and the supernatural (signs and wonders) and feelings, and notions and impressions. The net result of all of this is a moving away from the revealed scriptures. And when we do that we will have no standard by which to distinguish truth from error. And we will be sitting ducks for the delusions of Satan.

I have not listened to everything that site has to offer but when the host of a site agrees with unscriptural "revelations" then it's best to stay away from such.
 
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Having seen real blood on the real moon, and seeing the proof that this man is a real prophet, and being that the message is that TIME IS NOW OVER, I choose to believe a real prophet.


Do you consider anyone to be a prophet? Do you believe that office ceased to exist?

If you believe there are prophets today, who would you consider to be a real prophet?

I get the impression that you think all the miracles signs and wonders stopped when Jesus went back to heaven. I could be wrong about you so I would like to hear what you think.

Eph. 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and [some] of them they shall slay and persecute:

If God sends a messenger we should be listening to the message. He is a real messenger. We will each be held responsible for receiving or rejecting the messengers that God sends to church, because if he is a true messenger and God really did send him, and you reject him, you are rejecting Jesus and the Father according to scriptures.

Mark 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

Mark 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

Mark 9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

Mark 9:41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Mark 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
 
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Aren't we supposed to have one world government during the end times? I'm still waiting to see if all kindred, tounges and nations will be united under a single banner.

Has he said anything about that?

I believe it is being implimented as we speak.

America, Canada, and Mexico are region #1 as the world is divided up into ten regions. That is why they want a super highway from canada to mexico and that is why the want to give us a new currency. I know all of what is going on, but the most important thing is to get the oil of the overcomer so that you will have ENOUGH oil to go out to meet the bridegroom. You get the oil by much prayer and reading the word and getting the word of God deep down into your spirit man. A good way to do this is to listen to the bible on audio as well as to read it daily, which is what I do. I diligently seek Jesus and I have been greatly rewarded by Jesus answering my prayers and letting me know that He even knows my thoughts as I am thinking them. He is an awesome God and I am preparing to be at the wedding feast. I really have a single eye when it comes to the wedding feast, it is the most important thing to me, to be ready and to help others to be ready. When I saw the blood on the moon, I knew we had entered a new phase of the end times! My focus is Jesus, I talk with Him all the time and He talks to me. I know that He knows me and that is very important to know. You just have to rekindle that first love you had when you first got saved. He is very jealous for our love and nothing less that a red hot on fire love for Him will satisfy Him. He will spue the lukewarm believers out of His mouth. That is a very dramatic statement. We need to make sure our love is real and that He knows it! We are told to watch and be ready, that is the most important thing to be doing.
 
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Sisit777

You quoted Rev 3 v 18. This verse refers to The Saints of God being tried in Fiery Trials perfect them for Heaven. Has nothing. To do with wearing Gold Rings.

There is one street of Gold in New Jerusalem also ( Rev 21 v 21)
There will be gold mansions as well. I believe there are lots more than one street of gold, God is pretty rich if He owns everything!
 
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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

Well, I admit I don't know anything about him. So I would have to research this one. I apologize for posting this without knowing more about him. Everyone needs to use their own discernment on this one.




Isn't he a United Pentecostal Church Oneness Pentecostal Service of a new beginning – Pastor Bruce Allen « My footsteps in the River of time ?

The Bereans: Apologetics Research Ministry

So right off the bat we have a problem with these people denying the persons of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit vigorously rejecting the authentic historical Christian doctrine of the Trinity replacing it with the heretical doctrine that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (i.e., the "Jesus only" view).

What does Oneness Pentecostal teach? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry

And we also have the problem of these Oneness Pentecostals teaching that everyone who isn't baptized according to their sect's baptismal ritual and speaks in tongues too are not saved.

The next problem is what happens to the people who don't get healed and don't get all their prayers "answered effortlessly?"

I'm glad they hand out Bibles and tell people about Jesus. Like the rest of you I know God loves them. But we have serious doctrinal problems here with this group people. Serious enough to be material.
 
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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

I know that many will miss this last move of God because it won't come in a package they like, and it will be out of their comfort zone. But God is going to pour out His Spirit anyway and whoever wants to drink the living water can come and drink freely.



Elijah told them to pour water and dig a trench around it and fill it and pour even more water on it, didnt stop the fire of God coming down from heaven, the latter rain is nearing, the outpouring of His Spirit over all mankind, as the world gets darker, Gods people will shine brighter, no matter how much some try to water it down, the fire of God. it will be the die hards that miss it, caught up in doctrines of man, sad, for the Holy Spirit reveals the truth, not doctrines of man, not history of churches, God just seeks those who worship Him in spirit and truth, truth that Jesus died on the cross and the fulness of that work in our lives......

grace upon grace - grace and truth. everything outside of that is by works - self righteousness, yoke of the law - ministry of death and condemnation

encouraging link

come Jesus come
 

Red_Tory

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I believe it is being implimented as we speak.

America, Canada, and Mexico are region #1 as the world is divided up into ten regions. That is why they want a super highway from canada to mexico and that is why the want to give us a new currency.
This is no evidence of "one world government". It would be no surprise if Canada and the United States joined; they are two countries bound together by friendly geography, recent history history, language and culture.

What happens when you get two countries that hate each other? Try unifying the Koreas, Israel and Iran or even Pakistan and India. There may be a "New World Order" conspiracy, but how are they going to overcome such virulent hatred within just a few years?
 
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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

A person's epistemology matters. If someone comes to me and says I found Jesus and then presents the Gospel to me I'm like "fantastic! now who do you think Jesus is?"

If they say, "well.. Jesus is a little green man that lives on Mars and goes by the name of Karumbi. When I die I will become a martian and enter into hive in preparation for our flying saucer trip to destroy earth." I'll say to that person, "you have the wrong Jesus friend. Let me tell you who Jesus really is."

I'm trying to be a bit funny here but the point is that knowing what a person actually believes behind the Christian vocabulary they are employing is very important. If they have the wrong Jesus or the wrong Gospel, logic and scripture assert that is material for us to know.

Thanks for pointing that out.
erm..
"We" can also do our homework before we entirely dismiss someone's website or teaching.
 
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Mark 13:32

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Our Lord gave us the signs, we can anxiously await his return or be patient and know this his timing will be nothing short of perfect.

I understand that those can have spiritual gifts of prophecy and that Jesus speaks of false prophets so it can be confusing at times.

We need to pray for discernment in this and praise God for all things.
 
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God told me a couple years ago time is short. He cried very hard for how many people are going to hell. He showed me the entrance to hell they fall through. Many people see God. I have and know people who do.

I think all people are to see God. But if you don't believe and expect it why should he come to you. They have not because they ask not.
I agree with you loveschild because the Lord has visited me several times. Dreams that later were made plain to see and He asked me why I was surprised, because He gave me a dream about it to let me know what was going to take place. I knew after the fact and was like WOW. He spoke a divine word for the Church we were attending, that scared the heck outta me the first time He spoke through me. It wasn't like speaking in tongues but more like a deep pulling from my innermost being that kinda felt like a cow slowly sitting down onto my stomach and afterwards the skin (around) my mouth peeled, not my lips, like i had fire come outta it. This has happend to me 3 times and I know God works through those who will truly listen and do.
 
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Mark 13:32

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Our Lord gave us the signs, we can anxiously await his return or be patient and know this his timing will be nothing short of perfect.

I understand that those can have spiritual gifts of prophecy and that Jesus speaks of false prophets so it can be confusing at times.

We need to pray for discernment in this and praise God for all things.

Jesus is still revealing His mysteries to His disciples! I thought you might like to see a little of what Dr. Owuor is writing: so here it is: this is just a part of this vision he was given.

HE HAND WRITTEN NOTE

Like it was during the dispensation of the noble incarnation of Jesus as God incarnate, so is the season in the church today. The magis had welcomed the light of heaven-sent truth, then it was shed upon them in brighter rays that totally imbibed their lives to the extent that they entered into the history books of heaven. The church too must embrace the heaven-sent truth abound this hand-written note of God in order to enjoy this unwarranted eternal privilege. A reception of this most treasured missive would as well put the church╒s name right into the history books of heaven; the book of life of the Lamb of God.

1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people everyone whose name is found written in the book” will be delivered (Daniel 12:1).

As by faith Abraham went forth at the call of God, never knowing where he went to, so should the church of Christ follow by faith, the inscriptions of this written note as the beaming light of God upon the darkness. As it was the custom in the days of old to offer presents as an act of homage to princes or other personages of stature and wealth, with gifts of the land that were afforded, so was it with this written note . The Lord has essentially visited the church by paying her homage and presenting her with the best gift from that land (heaven), the written note . This the Lord has used to specifically appraise her of her statured personage that she bears right before him. An appraisal of this nature is very handy and necessary to the church at this last hour when she appears to be so low and licking the wounds of her sin, with no hope of healing. The gift entailed in the hand-written note of God is that of eternal life, and only if the church can repent and prepare the way in holiness, for the coming of the Messiah. The arrival of this hand-written note into the church proclaiming the coming of the Lord, must be quickly noised throughout the four ends of the earth in order to renew hope to both the born-again christians and the heathen. Both must repent and prepare the way for the coming of the Lord. However, the strange errand brought into the church, by this note has created an excitement that can only extol the Deity of God and its inherent piety, while denouncing the reign of the adversary in the hearts of the christians forever. As a matter of fact, now that this heavenly note awakens the church to the unlimited opulence of love from the Lord, this could as well mark the onset of a popular tumult that will eventually unseat the adversary’s dominion in the church. More so, because the message of this written note of God has the capacity to obliterate the previously concealed mistrust between the body of Christ and the Lord over the years due to sin and thwart the schemes of the cunning one. This is plausible because the message on the hand-written note of God, in its proclamation of the coming of the Lord, will spur-up a massive preparatory revival of repentance from sin. It is the turning away from sin that restores the novel relationship that Jesus established between the church and God Almighty, at the Cross. On another totally separate occasion in the bible, when the Lord said I am Coming, He tagged it to a very critical message of this dispensation.

12”Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done (Revelation 22:12).

It is as though when the Lord finally sends this written missive to the church saying I am Coming , he is equally referring to an invitation to a private interview with her even when she makes it in the rapture. This strictly refers to the obligatory appearance of the raptured church before the white throne of God’s Judgement. It is at this place that the church must account for every act that she got herself involved in, be in the scheming of her heart or the thought of her mind or the deeds of her life. It is a call to perfectioning the bride of Christ and to stir-up every Christian believer to strive for the highest prize. This must be done very much aware of the fear of God which constitutes the treasured wisdom that allows the church into the kingdom of God. Also, the church must not at this hour of the written note , lose fact of the greater need to evangelize the holiness of the Lord Jesus to the heathen; those who do this will shine like the brightness of the stars for ever and ever. It is important to remember that the priests and the elders of Jerusalem were not as ignorant concerning the birth of Christ as they pretended because the report of the angel’s visit to the shepherds had been brought to Jerusalem. But the rabiis treated it as unworthy of their notice and attention. And that is how the priests and elders of Jerusalem missed out on that critical moment of their visitation. The magi on the other hand embraced the report and entered into the history books of heaven. In the same context a caution is hereby advanced before the church that the pastors, bishops and elders combined should take notice of this mysterious illumination from heaven over the darkness of the earth, a Light that is shed on the most glorious hand-written note of God. The Lord purposed that when the Light is shed on the hand-written note then the church even in her darkness, can spot the words and read the note that says I am Coming. This message denotes the clock of God in heaven that has now ticked very very close to the midnight hour (Matthew 25:1-13). Still in making reference to the Light of hope that brought us Jesus for redemption, the church must remember that pride and envy closed the door against the Light when the shepherds brought their report regarding the coming of the Saviour. Let the church be extra cautious of the schemes of the adversary at this hour, that pride and envy may not close on them the door against the Light that the Lord released on that May 11, 2009.

I am Coming,
Says the Lord.
 
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sislt777

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Jesus is still revealing His mysteries to His disciples! I thought you might like to see a little of what Dr. Owuor is writing: so here it is: this is just a part of this vision he was given.

This is a better example. I know he writes in a unique fashion so here is a better sample:

Entering through this door

It is one thing to agree with the five wise virgins and long to be like them, while it is quite another thing to engage in the real act of entry through this door to rapture. What exactly does the church need to do to practically enter through this rapture door that stands open right now? Albeit the longing of the church to enter into the rapture, only the attainment of the true character of the five wise virgins will for sure earn her a full entry through this rapture door. But again, one may wonder as to what the character of the five wise virgins would translate into their own individual day-to-day lives. This would be the only sure way that the christian would have to tell with absolute certainty, whether they will make it into rapture or be shut out by this door. First and foremost, if today’s church would like to partake of the rapture, she would have to realize that one of the most important attributes of the five wise virgins is that they lived under the fear of the Lord at all times (Proverbs 9:10; Proverbs 14:16; Proverbs 15:33). This wise church that can enter through the rapture door has also to live in total trust of the Lord, trusting him with all her life, and everything therein (Proverbs 3:5). A wise church must also be ever mindful of the Lord in all her routines and everything else that she does on the earth, minute-by-minute. In that way any minute the rapture happens she would be found not wanting, but fully ready to go. Such a christian that opts to live the life of the five wise virgins should also be cognizant of the fact that living wise will most definitely involve choosing the Lord’s ways and wisdom above all ways of man in the world (Proverbs 8:10-11; Proverbs 3:6; Proverbs 17:24). And if such a church still continues to choose to live wise, that church must come face-to-face with the fact that the wise virgins lived in complete submission unto the Lord’s discipline (Proverbs 1:2-3; Proverbs 3:11). Though this comes at such a peak of gross disobedience in the church, and total failure of submission to God’s discipline, there is still a glimmer of hope in that morning dew that Isaiah saw. By this time it hopefully has become clearer on how difficult it is to live the life of the five wise virgins except that one loses their own lives, taking upon themselves the life of Christ Jesus. But only that morning dew that comes from the fountain of life in the temple of God in heaven can overcome the works of the flesh and bring the life of Christ into the church. This would perfectly translate the lives of the five wise virgins right into the heart of the church, as the morning dew takes charge. Moreover, the wise virgins lived a very repentant life that was full of the regular confessions of sins. By inference the wise christians who will enter through the door of rapture will also have to be ready to live a life of confessing their sins on a regular basis. This means that such a church must have a tender repentant heart in the midst of all that is happening around her today. The pain of embracing repentance in today’s church becomes a worrisome factor because the church today is not yet ready to take rebuke and face her sin (Proverbs 28:30). The church that emulates the wise virgins nevertheless, must also be concerned about the spiritual well being of widows, orphans, prisoners, destitutes and those under privileged of the society, in which she finds herself. In this way, such a wise church will constitute the sheep and not goat nation. The goat nations are shut out of the rapture by this door while the sheep nations are pleasantly welcomed into the rapture wedding banquet by the Lord’s warm hands. To the christians that did not care for the under privileged he will say, “depart from me you who are cursed into eternal fire . . .” (Matthew 25:41-46). Even as one tries to mirror the life of the five wise virgins whom Jesus welcomes through the rapture door, the church must still understand that these five virgins were entirely teachable and not intractable. What is particularly most disturbing right now is that when one closely examines today’s church, one finds a church that is mostly intractable, and resistant to the teachings of holiness. The present-day church is not yet ready to reform back to righteousness. Whether in her dressing, or on the most contentious issue of her separation from this world, she is totally adamant. Today’s church is practically not yet willing to take instruction of the Holy Spirit our Counsellor, at this late hour. On the same note, the five wise virgins pleasantly received and loved instruction from the Lord (Proverbs 18:15; Proverbs 19:20). Notwithstanding, the christian that chooses to enter through this rapture door must still not forget that the five wise virgins lived their lives perpetually growing in the wisdom of the Lord. That implies that the holy remnant bride of Christ must grow in the wisdom of the Lord, on a daily basis, and into full stature (Ephesians 4:11-16; Proverbs 1:5; Proverbs 9:9; Proverbs 10:14). As though this were not enough now comes the caveat. The edge that the five wise virgins enjoy over their foolish counterparts rests upon the fact that they were completely righteous and not wicked. Today’s church that would like to enter through rapture door must hence wear this celebrated righteousness. It is such a requirement that hinges directly on the foundation of her christian walk. This is because the Lord Jesus who is the chief bridegroom, is completely righteous. The five wise virgins also hated what is false and totally shunned evil (Proverbs 13:5; Proverbs 3:7; Proverbs 14:16; Proverbs 16:6). To be wise and enter through the rapture door will also require of the church that she take upon herself this very important character of the wise virgins. That wise church that enters the rapture is inevitably a humble and not a proud church (Proverbs 15:33). But this becomes a difficult one because today’s church is largely a very proud and egoistic but not a humble house. Either proud in the amount of earthly wealth that she commands, or the physical beauty with which she walks, or the earthly well-connected friends that clamour around her. She calls them her inner circles of friends and they are entirely worldly by all spiritual standards. Such friends strictly base their value systems on what one has or does, thereby constituting the eye, arm, and leg that Jesus said, the church should cut off if they would easily lead her into hell (Matthew 5:29-30; 1 John 2:15-17).



 
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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

Unless you ask him in person you are just guessing that he believes this way. I would think we will be responsible for what we say about our brothers and sisters no matter what church they go to. I will have to research him, and I will send him an email an maybe he will even come here an answer for himself, who knows. But I will try.


A person's epistemology matters. If someone comes to me and says I found Jesus and then presents the Gospel to me I'm like "fantastic! now who do you think Jesus is?"

If they say, "well.. Jesus is a little green man that lives on Mars and goes by the name of Karumbi. When I die I will become a martian and enter into hive in preparation for our flying saucer trip to destroy earth." I'll say to that person, "you have the wrong Jesus friend. Let me tell you who Jesus really is."

I'm trying to be a bit funny here but the point is that knowing what a person actually believes behind the Christian vocabulary they are employing is very important. If they have the wrong Jesus or the wrong Gospel, logic and scripture assert that is material for us to know.
 
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sislt777

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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

Jesus said we would recognize each
other by the fruit that comes out of our lives. We have the Holy Spirit to help us.
 
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God is training me right now on how not to let others provoke me to say or do ANYTHING that is rash or angry, because He has a call on my life. Moses got angry once and it cost him a lot. I hope to learn this lesson well!
 
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Re: Entering the Seventh Day

amazes me how quickly religious legalism tries to water down what God does,who are we to judge a mans heart??? Love believes all things, God reveals the truth behind it all...... not mans theology