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read Deut.26:10-15, Ne 10;35-39. When it comes to who you should give your tithing don't give it because you were told by someone but rather take some time to study the bible and is written on tithing. Remember it's not just the tithing that israel brought to GOD but also helped tha aliens-none jews-,the fatherless and the widows.
H
No, I would say the burden is on both of us to state the facts. What did Abraham tithe from? It wasn't from his own possessions, it was from the spoils of war... nothing more. And he didn't keep the other 90% either, he gave that to the King of Sodom. Now, I am sure Abraham, being blessed beyond measure, had an increase in his flocks every year... why didn't he tithe from his own increase? Since that is what we are being told to do. I challenge you to research what the tithe was actually supposed to be. I'll tell you what... I'll do two things... 1. The next time I go to war and take out a nation, I'll give the Lord 90% and give the rest to the country next door. 2 I have a vegetable garden, I'll give 10% of everything I grow to the local church, since that is what the real tithe consisted of.
Absolutely not, I'll give on Gods terms when He directs me to help someone in need, as the NC examples do. And I won't just give 10% either, I'll give what it takes to really help that person... without having pastoral overhead eat it all up before it gets there. There is NO NT ECONOMY!!!! It's all about living in community and sharing with those who have less than you in that community. The church format we see is pagan in origin.
Absolutely not, I'll give on Gods terms when He directs me to help someone in need, as the NC examples do. And I won't just give 10% either, I'll give what it takes to really help that person... without having pastoral overhead eat it all up before it gets there. There is NO NT ECONOMY!!!! It's all about living in community and sharing with those who have less than you in that community. The church format we see is pagan in origin.
H
Where in the NC are there different denominations in any city competing for your cash? NOWHERE, Paul always refered to "THE CHURCH" in a particular city. They lived in community as on body, meeting in their homes, with no defined "leadership" among them. Any money given was always used to relieve the needs of people in the Church, not pay pastors/ employees and building overhead.
C
That there is selfish. God gives everything he has, including: his son, his spirit, his love, grace, mercy, etc. Why can't you give 10%? if you are bringing in $10,000 a month, why can't you give 1000? I was also told that, don't just give 10% of you money but 10% of everything like time. He does want a cheerful heart so cheerfully you can give 10% of you money and etc.
E
why would it matter what I give?
I give over 30 % to my government (taxes) . Of the 70 % remaining. most of it goes to insurance, regular bills (the only loan I have is house, and no credit cards or bills) and living.
between the government greed, Insurance greed, and the cost of living taking most of my money, I give what I can to God. if it is not ten percent, is it a sin?
Most people I know do not have ten % left after they pay everyone else (ceaser) what is owed them. are you going to judge them because they do not have ten percent to give?
I give over 30 % to my government (taxes) . Of the 70 % remaining. most of it goes to insurance, regular bills (the only loan I have is house, and no credit cards or bills) and living.
between the government greed, Insurance greed, and the cost of living taking most of my money, I give what I can to God. if it is not ten percent, is it a sin?
Most people I know do not have ten % left after they pay everyone else (ceaser) what is owed them. are you going to judge them because they do not have ten percent to give?
E
You know how many people I have seen gone bankrupt. or do not pay their bills because they can';t pay it (rendering to ceasar what is ceasers) because they give ten percent believing they are commanded to?
If I could give ten. I probably would., but even so. Ten percent is all.
10% of your hose and property, does your hcurch own that? how about all your food? your wages, everything you have.
This is the true meaning of tithing/
If I could give ten. I probably would., but even so. Ten percent is all.
10% of your hose and property, does your hcurch own that? how about all your food? your wages, everything you have.
This is the true meaning of tithing/
H
I won't, but most of them will. I have seen people getting kicked out of their homes and the pastor telling them it's because they needed to tithe. I've seen people who's children are starving told by the pastor that it's because they didn't tithe. There is no NC basis for the tithe, but these private kingdom builders will stop at nothing to get their share of the money. I was on staff of an AG church where I live. During one meeting, the pastor in charge of finances was gloating because there was a woman who received an inheritence, but had not yet tithed on it. After his sunday sermon, the woman came in crying because he had taught that she was "robbing God", and gave the required 10%. Where is the "joyful heart" Paul said the Lord loves in this? She was guilted into giving. When Paul was looking to collect on the promise of the Corinthian (I think) church, he said for them to collect it before he arrived so that no one would give under compulsion. That is the NC example of giving.
C
My pastor gives his tithes, his wife does to. If someone is in need our church gives it to them. Does that sound like a person trying to get rich? Not every church is good, but not every church is trying to take your money. They do have False pastors out there trying to get people's money. But you can not say every church is like that. A lot of churchs give to people in need, that does not look like people trying to get rich and leaving people to starve.
H
That may be with yojr church. It was with the church I went to as well. But the pastor collected his money, no matter what. And that overhead came before any money was set aside for helping anyone... as did the money for the building, the other employees and all the special programs they ran to entice people away from other churches to themselves. It's a numbers game... the biggest church with the most money wins! Imagine if we went back to the 1st century format, stripping away all the pagan traditions we have. The entire church in every city would be one true Church (not the fragmented and competing mess it is today), the Bride of Christ, functioning as one body, the Body of Christ. And all that money would go to help the needs of people who don't have enough. Just imagine the impact!
C
I read on a catlic brochure about the income of the pastor, deacon, Bishop and etc. That shocked me because I thought that pastors work for free. I didn't know that Church workers got paid because all the workers at my church are volunteers.
So I do get that churches use tithes for their incomes, but they do have churches that the tithes and mission offering are used on the right things and not for people's income.
So I do get that churches use tithes for their incomes, but they do have churches that the tithes and mission offering are used on the right things and not for people's income.
T
Jesus said let the one who has two coats give one to the man who has none. That's 50%, not 10%. Yes, it seems Jesus and Paul were not looking so much for accountants as for lovers.
God gave the law as a means to check oneself. Not as a "you'd better do this or else," but "here's how to tell if you're walking with God." In the Old Testament, the Israelites turned it in to a chore rather than an expression of love. Long before Jesus came, the Prophets kept telling them (us) that God didn't want us just to follow the law by rote, memorizing things and doing our duty. "Oh, let's see, here's 10 shekels, so I put one in this box and now I don't have to think about God any more until next week." That is NOT what God wanted.
He sent the Prophets, and when that didn't work, he sent his Son, who had the same message, only it was "straight from the horse's mouth," as it were. If you're just going to go through the motions of obeisance and not follow God with your heart, God has no use for you. God would rather have you slip up from time to time, and then come to him in repentance for mercy, knowing that your heart is in the right place.
If you see the tithe as a burden, don't do it. God doesn't want you money if you have that attitude. If you see the tithe as a wonderful opportunity to give back to the community what God has blessed you with, God's love is made manifest in the world by your actions, Christ's light shining through you as a light to the nations.
God gave the law as a means to check oneself. Not as a "you'd better do this or else," but "here's how to tell if you're walking with God." In the Old Testament, the Israelites turned it in to a chore rather than an expression of love. Long before Jesus came, the Prophets kept telling them (us) that God didn't want us just to follow the law by rote, memorizing things and doing our duty. "Oh, let's see, here's 10 shekels, so I put one in this box and now I don't have to think about God any more until next week." That is NOT what God wanted.
He sent the Prophets, and when that didn't work, he sent his Son, who had the same message, only it was "straight from the horse's mouth," as it were. If you're just going to go through the motions of obeisance and not follow God with your heart, God has no use for you. God would rather have you slip up from time to time, and then come to him in repentance for mercy, knowing that your heart is in the right place.
If you see the tithe as a burden, don't do it. God doesn't want you money if you have that attitude. If you see the tithe as a wonderful opportunity to give back to the community what God has blessed you with, God's love is made manifest in the world by your actions, Christ's light shining through you as a light to the nations.
T
I actually just finished a study on II Corinthians, and the whole letter can be seen kind of as a stewardship campaign for Paul to help set up churches in cities that did not have a strong presence yet. They needed seed money so that they could pay for communities where there were no wealthy believers. I mean, it was fine in Corinth, where the wealthy gave of their excess and all the believers had enough, but in some cities, none of the believers owned property, or had enough even to feed themselves, let alone give excess to their sisters and brothers. So yes, it was the earliest form of pledging to the Church to set up "overhead," as it were. The money was going to go to these cities to help the believers establish a physical presence, have enough food and property, etc.
Now, there are times when I think modern churches go too far. I don't think God needs to see gold-plated statues and ornate towers on buildings, if the money could be used for feeding the poor instead. On the other hand, I remember what Jesus said to Judas when the later complained about the perfume she "wasted" by anointing his feet. Maybe sometimes it's okay to spend money on things that may appear "wasteful" and "showy," to show our love and devotion to Christ. I think there needs to be a balance is all.
Now, there are times when I think modern churches go too far. I don't think God needs to see gold-plated statues and ornate towers on buildings, if the money could be used for feeding the poor instead. On the other hand, I remember what Jesus said to Judas when the later complained about the perfume she "wasted" by anointing his feet. Maybe sometimes it's okay to spend money on things that may appear "wasteful" and "showy," to show our love and devotion to Christ. I think there needs to be a balance is all.
T
I would say if someone is netting $10,000 a month, there's no reason they can't give $6,000 a month to charitable causes. Depending on their family size, where they live, etc., even in NYC you can live quite comfortably on $4K/month.
Of course, if "you" feel that you "can't" give that much, then don't. As I said before, if it's gonna be something that makes you grumble, God doesn't want it.
Look, my "day job" is as a tax preparer. I see thousands of tax returns every year. I see how much people give to charity, people who attend church regularly and those who don't. I see people who, to those on the outside seem like "good Christian folk," but don't give at all to charity. And that's up to them -- it's between them and God. It is not for me to say "you should give more." (Of course, sometimes I do bring up, "Do you have any more charitable contributions that may increase your deductions and decrease your tax liability?" but that's different.)
I've seen with my own eyes examples of the widow giving her last two coins, and I'm here to tell you, that widow is happier than the business man who can't scrape together $100 for the offering plate because he's behind on his 2nd mortgage and the private school he sends the kids to is raising tuition.... Just sayin.
Of course, if "you" feel that you "can't" give that much, then don't. As I said before, if it's gonna be something that makes you grumble, God doesn't want it.
Look, my "day job" is as a tax preparer. I see thousands of tax returns every year. I see how much people give to charity, people who attend church regularly and those who don't. I see people who, to those on the outside seem like "good Christian folk," but don't give at all to charity. And that's up to them -- it's between them and God. It is not for me to say "you should give more." (Of course, sometimes I do bring up, "Do you have any more charitable contributions that may increase your deductions and decrease your tax liability?" but that's different.)
I've seen with my own eyes examples of the widow giving her last two coins, and I'm here to tell you, that widow is happier than the business man who can't scrape together $100 for the offering plate because he's behind on his 2nd mortgage and the private school he sends the kids to is raising tuition.... Just sayin.