To Every Thing There is a Season

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Walter

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Saturday 8-6-22 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Av 7 5782 47th. Summer Day

God Predetermines The Events Of Life Ecclesiastes 3:1-9

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

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  • Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Love, Walter and Debbie
 

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Saturday 8-6-22 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Av 7 5782 47th. Summer Day

God Predetermines The Events Of Life Ecclesiastes 3:1-9

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

Read full chapter

  • Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Love, Walter and Debbie
Purpose Of Jude

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

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Verses 1-4: Purpose for the Writing | Pastors Study (pastors-study.com)

Love, Walter and Debbie
 

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Ecclesiastes is a difficult book to classify because although it's in the Bible,
it's not really all that theological. It's mostly a collection of Solomon's world
views rather than his spiritual knowledge.

Ecclesiastes is the Bible's fun book because it's chock full of normal thinking
instead of religious dogma. Ecclesiastes requires very little interpretation as
anybody who's been around the block a time or two can easily relate to its
thoughts.

Solomon composed his comments from the perspective of a philosophical
man who's understanding of life and the hereafter is moderated by empirical
evidence and the normal round of human experience. It's a handy book of
the Bible for showing that not all religious people are kooks with their heads
in the clouds and unable to see things as they are through the eyes of
normal people.

Just a word of caution: According to Matt 12:42, Luke 11:31, John 1:1-14,
and Col 2:3; Christ trumps Solomon, so beware of using proof texts from
Ecclesiastes to impair, moderate, and/or water down Christ's teachings
related to the afterlife.

In addition: Christ is the voice of God (John 3:34, John 8:26, John 8:28,
John 12:49, John 14:24) whereas there is not the slightest textual evidence
in the book of Ecclesiastes that Solomon was anybody's voice but his own
when he wrote it.

To my knowledge, Solomon had never seen the afterlife for himself, viz: he
wasn't an expert witness; whereas Christ had seen the afterlife for himself
and knew what he was talking about.

John 3:31-32 . . He who comes from above is above all, he who is of the
earth is from the earth and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven
is above all. What He has seen and heard, of that he bears witness.

Christ is also highly recommended, whereas to my knowledge, Solomon
isn't.

Matt 17:5 . . This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to
him.

So then, when encountering remarks in the book of Ecclesiastes that are out
of step with Christ's teachings in the New Testament; my unsolicited
spiritual counseling is to ignore Solomon and go with the wisdom of "my
Son".

John 8:12 . . I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no
means walk in darkness, but will possess the light of life.

FAQ: Doesn't the apostle Paul say that all Scripture is God breathed?

REPLY: There is a difference between inspiration and dictation.

Solomon was no doubt inspired to record his personal world view in the book
of Ecclesiastes, but we shouldn't assume his world view quotes God word
for-word the way Christ does.

John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.
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Solomon was obviously depressed when he wrote Ecclesiastes. While truthfully stated not everything stated is a statement of spiritual truth. Very interesting book.
 

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Ecclesiastes is a difficult book to classify because although it's in the Bible,
it's not really all that theological. It's mostly a collection of Solomon's world
views rather than his spiritual knowledge.


Ecclesiastes is the Bible's fun book because it's chock full of normal thinking
instead of religious dogma. Ecclesiastes requires very little interpretation as
anybody who's been around the block a time or two can easily relate to its
thoughts.


Solomon composed his comments from the perspective of a philosophical
man who's understanding of life and the hereafter is moderated by empirical
evidence and the normal round of human experience. It's a handy book of
the Bible for showing that not all religious people are kooks with their heads
in the clouds and unable to see things as they are through the eyes of
normal people.


Just a word of caution: According to Matt 12:42, Luke 11:31, John 1:1-14,
and Col 2:3; Christ trumps Solomon, so beware of using proof texts from
Ecclesiastes to impair, moderate, and/or water down Christ's teachings
related to the afterlife.


In addition: Christ is the voice of God (John 3:34, John 8:26, John 8:28,
John 12:49, John 14:24) whereas there is not the slightest textual evidence
in the book of Ecclesiastes that Solomon was anybody's voice but his own
when he wrote it.


To my knowledge, Solomon had never seen the afterlife for himself, viz: he
wasn't an expert witness; whereas Christ had seen the afterlife for himself
and knew what he was talking about.


John 3:31-32 . . He who comes from above is above all, he who is of the
earth is from the earth and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven
is above all. What He has seen and heard, of that he bears witness.


Christ is also highly recommended, whereas to my knowledge, Solomon
isn't.


Matt 17:5 . . This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved; listen to
him.


So then, when encountering remarks in the book of Ecclesiastes that are out
of step with Christ's teachings in the New Testament; my unsolicited
spiritual counseling is to ignore Solomon and go with the wisdom of "my
Son".


John 8:12 . . I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no
means walk in darkness, but will possess the light of life.


FAQ: Doesn't the apostle Paul say that all Scripture is God breathed?

REPLY: There is a difference between inspiration and dictation.

Solomon was no doubt inspired to record his personal world view in the book
of Ecclesiastes, but we shouldn't assume his world view quotes God word
for-word the way Christ does.


John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.


John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.
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Well! here are a few views of Solomon:

1 Kings 3 KJV - And Solomon made affinity with Pharaoh - Bible Gateway

Solomon's Prayers (slife.org)

What Does the Bible Say About Solomons Wisdom? (openbible.info)

Love, Walter
 

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Ecc 3:1 . . A season is set for everything, a time for every experience
under heaven.

This section smacks of fatalism and predestination, but actually it only
speaks of events that are quite normal and commonplace under the sun.

Ecc 3:2a . . A time for being born and a time for dying,

Those two events are open ended and their precise moments aren't chipped
in stone. Every person experiences a birth, and each will experience a death
too. Birth and death are like appointments. As soon as a women senses that
she has conceived, she knows it's only a matter of time before she gives
birth to a child so she has to begin planning for its arrival. Same with death.
We all know we're going to die some day; it's just a matter of time.

But the problem with death is its stealth. We're young only till somewhere in
our mid thirties and then to our horror begin to gradually wither. One of the
biggest surprises of Billy Graham's life was age. He always believed he
would die some day, but Billy wasn't prepared to get old first. His is not an
unusual case. Most of us readily anticipate death; but seldom anticipate
losing form and function.

Ecc 3:2b . . a time for planting and a time for uprooting the planted;

Farmers are constantly cultivating, planting, harvesting-- and then tilling
what's left after the harvest to prepare for the next crop.

Ecc 3:3a . . a time for slaying and a time for healing,

A rabid dog has to be put down. But when your pet is hit by a car, you take
it to the vet.

Ecc 3:3b . . a time for tearing down and a time for building up;

My dad worked many hours with his bare hands building us a home when I
was a kid. He sold it when I was 11 years old. Twenty-three years later, all
of dad's hard work was torn down and hauled off to make way for an RV
storage lot; and the property denuded of trees and scraped bare by
bulldozers. It's like we were never even there.

Ecc 3:4a . . a time for weeping and a time for laughing,

Sometimes people laugh and weep all at the same time; like at a wedding.

Ecc 3:4b . . a time for wailing and a time for dancing;

In a war, the victors celebrate and the vanquished mourn-- like in
professional sports. The cameras always show the winners elated, jumping
up and down, clapping themselves on the back, emoting for the press, and
pouring ice water on the coach; but over on the other side, the losers are all
glum and silent and dragging themselves back to the locker room.

Ecc 3:5a . . a time for throwing stones and a time for gathering stones,

It would be nice if the Palestinians would follow that and pick up after
themselves when they're done pelting Israeli soldiers.

Ecc 3:5b . . a time for embracing and a time for shunning embraces;

Sometimes lovers and friends need to make up and settle their differences
before they hug.

Ecc 3:6a . . a time for seeking and a time for losing,

In other words: A time to search and a time to give it up for lost.

TO BE CONTINUED
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Saturday 8-6-22 7th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Av 7 5782 47th. Summer Day

God Predetermines The Events Of Life Ecclesiastes 3:1-9

To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?

Read full chapter

  • Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Love, Walter and Debbie
“God Predetermines The Events Of Life Ecclesiastes 3:1-9”

Do you believe man has a choice that God places before him ?

See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.

But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.

I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:15-19‬ ‭

see this is how God has always operated with man . God tells us the truth about good and evil which brings blessing or cursing and then warns us of the consequences this gives us information to make a choice we will accept the truth and live or reject it and die but he’s not forcing us to choose either way he’s saying believe me and you’ll live

it was the same for Adam God blessed him in all things then told him the truth about the fruit “ don’t eat this fruit you will certainly die if you do “

they chose to believe satans word “ no you won’t die it will make you wise “

at this point they’ve been presented a choice between good and evil the truth and a lie they chose the lie just as israel chose cursing and death disregarding his word of promise and warning so they chose and died just like God warned them

they found out Satan lied
and God was telling the truth they chose wrong when he presented them the truth and Satan came after telling a lie which ever they follow is the choice they made

in Christ we also have a choice now again we can live or die

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:

but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:13‬ ‭

the more we understand the clearer the choice becomes we can choose the world or we can choose the kingdom

this gave the world a choice

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

as we hear Gods witness of his son we’re becoming more aware of a choice we make with our lives in serving sin or serving God

I would suggest that God doesn’t force mankind’s decisions but he knows the darkness in us so he has foreknowledge of everything he knew man would become wicked and need salvation from the start but it’s not God who caused Adam and Eve to eat the fruit that was satans work and thier servitude to satans lie

god didn’t cause this it was not his Will that’s why he’s repenting here for making man and giving us earth

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. ( not Gods work)

And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭

God didn’t intend to create an evil world full of violence and death we did that with The dominion he freely gave us

“And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

from Satan to Man and into the world. God didn’t force man into this position he told us how to stay out of the situation and then the devil corrupted us this brought God repentance and sorrow a grievance in his heart that he’s even created us

do you see what I’m saying ? God is all knowing he knows the end from before the beginning he knows how it will go how it will all end how he will redeem all creation after , but cause it he didn’t the devil corrupted man and man corrupted the earth

Christ for instance was for ordained but he came from what God knew would later come to pass

there’s a time in the ot en israel
Provoked God breaking his covenant and worshipping false gods for generations this caused Gods wrath to come on them

this caused him to do evil upon them as he said he would , but from the start Gods Will has always been life for mankknd , he keeps telling us how to live but we keep rejecting it and following the world
 

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Continued From #9

Ecc 3:6b . . a time for keeping and a time for discarding;

Today's in-vogue couture is tomorrow's Good Will donation.

Ecc 3:7a . . a time for ripping and a time for sewing,

When doctors need access to an injured patient's body, they often cut
clothing off with scissors rather than fussing with buttons and zippers. The
very same clothing can be repaired later by needle and thread.

Ecc 3:7b . . a time for silence and a time for speaking;

They say silence in golden, but sometimes it's yellow; know what I mean?

Ecc 3:8a . . a time for loving and a time for hating;

A time for love might be when your friends come over for dinner— through
the front door. However, if they sneak in the back way while you're out, and
steal your 50" plasma TV so they can sell it for meth; that might be reason
enough to dump your friends for new ones.

Ecc 3:8b . . a time for war and a time for peace.

Peace is much to be preferred to war. But sometimes war is necessary to
procure and to preserve peace. We live in a big bad world where there are
people more than happy to oppress you, abuse your human rights, control
your movements, restrict your speech, clamp down on dissent, take away
your wealth and possessions, destroy your home, separate you from your
family, and put you to work in a gulag where you'll be underpaid,
malnourished, constantly hungry, politically indoctrinated, and poorly clothed
for the rest of your life.

Ecc 3:9 . .What value, then, can the man of affairs get from what he
earns?

In other words: What does the worker gain from his toil? Well . . one thing
he does not gain is control over the "times" listed in the previous verses
because many circumstances in life are unpredictable and out of our
hands no matter how much money a person might be prepared to spend.
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