Today's Bible Babble Buffet in Action
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I just read 2 Tim 2:14 in the Authorized King James, and realized that it makes no sense in that translation(at least to me, it was just nonsense)
this is how it reads in modern English:
14 Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.
this is how is sounds in KJV:
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
^to me, that is just gibberish. using the word "subverting" to describe the hearers... so, they are undermining the hearers? ... nonsense. KJV missed a noun.
so this says that it is wrong to not strive over words that are no profit? that is a double negative. if i reverse 2 of these, it should still make sense. go ahead and try, it is just silly. charging them before the Lord that they strive about words to profit... so it is bad to talk about things productively? nonsense.
a new translation was desperately needed.
this is how it reads in modern English:
14 Remind [the people] of these facts and [solemnly] charge them in the presence of the Lord to avoid petty controversy over words, which does no good but upsets and undermines the faith of the hearers.
this is how is sounds in KJV:
14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
^to me, that is just gibberish. using the word "subverting" to describe the hearers... so, they are undermining the hearers? ... nonsense. KJV missed a noun.
so this says that it is wrong to not strive over words that are no profit? that is a double negative. if i reverse 2 of these, it should still make sense. go ahead and try, it is just silly. charging them before the Lord that they strive about words to profit... so it is bad to talk about things productively? nonsense.
a new translation was desperately needed.
but chosen...the great irony is that you "believe" all these bizarre ideas that aren't even in the KJV.
i don't know where you got them from.
unless you're using a certain KJV "study bible" by one Mr. Cyrus Scofield.
i have no explanation for how you can claim to possess the inerrant infallible inspired translation - KJV - and hold to so many odd doctrines
i don't know where you got them from.
unless you're using a certain KJV "study bible" by one Mr. Cyrus Scofield.
i have no explanation for how you can claim to possess the inerrant infallible inspired translation - KJV - and hold to so many odd doctrines
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The KJV has undergone three revisions since it's introduction in 1611,resulting in more than 100,000 changes or alterations,so which of the KJV versions is inspired therfore?There is also a whole lot more information on the perfection of KJV bible if any care to research that topic.All bibles including KJV have differences some minor and some more significant.Some have argued against KJV for other reasons, I don't want to debate.
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btw, mr plucked, you ignored my post entirely. I asked you to help me with doctrine, and you ignored my plea for help, and instead insulted my position.
I am saying this once more: if my Bible is misleading my walk, where is my walk going wrong? there must be some reason that this discussion is happening. God would not have given you this vision of perfection if there is no profit in it. there must be some doctrinal issue that the KJV fixes. tell me what this doctrine is.
Instead of having an argument over wordings, show me something I can use.
I am saying this once more: if my Bible is misleading my walk, where is my walk going wrong? there must be some reason that this discussion is happening. God would not have given you this vision of perfection if there is no profit in it. there must be some doctrinal issue that the KJV fixes. tell me what this doctrine is.
Instead of having an argument over wordings, show me something I can use.
you do realize you just contradicted yourself according to what you apparently think I believe. First you say I don't believe in the so called infallible words of God, then you turn 180 and say you want me to prove to everyone (as you said US) that I do believe and have a privy infallible UNtranslated Bible.
You apparently didn't understand a word of the reply so read it over and over until you do, I......wait......you!
You apparently didn't understand a word of the reply so read it over and over until you do, I......wait......you!
Megaman; question for you, as I can already tell that you do not believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God.
Jesus stated that His words would not pass away in Matthew 24:35, therefore we must have His words then.
Now here is my question for you: if those words are not in the Authorized King James Bible as that is what you are basically saying, then where are those words?
but chosen...the great irony is that you "believe" all these bizarre ideas that aren't even in the KJV.
i don't know where you got them from.
unless you're using a certain KJV "study bible" by one Mr. Cyrus Scofield.
i have no explanation for how you can claim to possess the inerrant infallible inspired translation - KJV - and hold to so many odd doctrines
i don't know where you got them from.
unless you're using a certain KJV "study bible" by one Mr. Cyrus Scofield.
i have no explanation for how you can claim to possess the inerrant infallible inspired translation - KJV - and hold to so many odd doctrines
Odd doctrines? Well what exactly are you referring to as "odd" doctrines?
Are you attacking Dispensational truth? I take it you are since you mentioned Mr. Scofield. By the way, dispensational teaching was not started by Darby or Scofield.
For proof of that you can visit this thread I posted a while back:
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...l-bible-study-teaching-not-created-darby.html
Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek indeed were the original languages of Scripture, but keep in mind that the Greek they speak in Greece today is not the same as the Koine Greek that the New Testament was written in.
Furthermore, what language today is considered almost a universal language?
It is not Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic.
Also Crossnote, did Billy Sunday preach from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?
Did Jonathan Edwards? Dwight Lyman Moody? How about George Whitfield?
Did any of these men which God mightily used to bring about some of the greatest revivals ever, did any of them preach from the Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic?
Or did they preach from an English Bible which they believed to be the inerrant word of God?
Furthermore, what language today is considered almost a universal language?
It is not Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic.
Also Crossnote, did Billy Sunday preach from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?
Did Jonathan Edwards? Dwight Lyman Moody? How about George Whitfield?
Did any of these men which God mightily used to bring about some of the greatest revivals ever, did any of them preach from the Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic?
Or did they preach from an English Bible which they believed to be the inerrant word of God?
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Kjv onlyists are blind and dumb. Let them have their little threads. They can worship their KJV's and be a cult if they want to. Their big argument is well we believe its inerrant and therefore we are clearly correct and yakkity yak. ITs a joke. People like them how make such big deals out of such stupid issues are the reasons the world views christians as a joke. If people like ruckman, and chosen and others would shut up with their nonsensical dividing tripe, then maybe people could actually focus on the real thing and not whether or not they are going to go to hell because we took the thee's and thou's out of a 4 century old translation.
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The facts are: There is only one true God, His son Jesus Christ was born, crucified, rose again on the third day, all who believe in Him shall have eternal life...we are to love others as He has loved us....
Isnt this what the gospel is about? If you think about it...in the end NONE of us get to take our bibles with us...cant it just be...You read yours and I will read mine and the name calling and bible version bashing is laid aside.
I am in no way a bible scholar, and i do not claim to be...but IF we are all part of God's family..His children..then i am sure he does not like to see this. If one knows the main point of the gospel, then at the end of the day nonenof this other stuff matters....
Isnt this what the gospel is about? If you think about it...in the end NONE of us get to take our bibles with us...cant it just be...You read yours and I will read mine and the name calling and bible version bashing is laid aside.
I am in no way a bible scholar, and i do not claim to be...but IF we are all part of God's family..His children..then i am sure he does not like to see this. If one knows the main point of the gospel, then at the end of the day nonenof this other stuff matters....
ok here is some bear food. No one said common Greek today is the same as common Greek back then. Language is always changing that is the point. With Peter's preaching thousands came to Christ in one day...it was God's Word (in any language) and God's Spirit ...the latter I think you are overlooking.
Hi crossnote. The issue is not whether or not the gospel is found in any version or not. It is. God can and does save His people using ANY bible version out there, no matter how corrupt it may be in other ways. The issue is this- Do you believe that ANY Bible in any language IS the complete, inspired and 100% true words of God? Yes or No? IF Yes, then which one is it? Most Christians today do NOT believe that any Bible is the infallible words of God. The polls show this to be true. What about you? What do you believe about the inerrancy of the Bible? Do you have one or not? Thanks.
