Todd White - Twisted Grace is created by the Enemy

[LaurenTM]

I don't believe UnderGrace meant to slander at all. I was going to post some hours ago about (waiting) to hear more about people before making general assessments or judgments about associations. There is way too much jumping the gun sort of speak going on in the Christian "world" We do need to extend grace right from the start and immediately and strive to make it a habit imo.

Joel Osteen is a prime example. I've seen people take that guy apart limb by limb. But I've listened to Joel a lot apart from the hype and although he isn't my daily cup of tea., I find no fault in him and see how he lifts up Jesus. I look at Joel O. and this Todd White guy and apply the same logic. 2 very different men of God. Both preaching Jesus Christ in their own way. One preaches in a church and on tv, wears a suit and tie with white teeth and perfect hair., The other speaks in the city streets among other places, wears jeans and a tee shirt and his hair is styled in those dreadlocks.

It takes time to hear out people. It takes more than a few messages I've found. There is much more to people than what we first heard or see of them. And we don't have to 'rush' to assess people. Also., seeing how people I've known and respected for a long time on CC have already heard him and approve of him speaks volumes to me as well. There is no rush to figure out what column people need to be put in.

Being a good listener is an art and not many of us have this art down pat. I put myself in that group that needs to be a better listener.

a sensible post

I am so up to here with folks jumping on others because they have a differing view

and calling names

expressing a view that may be different in these forums, is tatamount to walking out into heavy traffic without looking both ways first

segregating those who question or disagree, (I'm not talking about those who go around doing that on every thread and we all pretty much know who they are) is saying you have the right to question their motives but they do not have the right to even disagree

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

GM WFC!
I spent my hours before sleep watching a lot of Todd White videos! I came away with a knot in my mind.
I still have no doubt whatsoever that God has used Todd to heal people. I mean, as I said, the Spirit confirmed it to me, and I can never question His voice!

My knot came when (and this does not mean I expect Todd to be perfect or anything of the sort) he talked about how sometimes he does not see the person healed and he doesn't know why. He told about a young boy who was a believer and whose parents and sisters were believers, who were good friends of his. The boy had cancer and they went to pray for his healing. They prayed (I think he said) many times over the course of some days, but the boy died. He had seen God heal many unbelievers but there are times where believers don't receive healing. He is very honest and says he doesn't know why. And in fact, the undertaker who came to get the boy received a healing and was also saved right there, on the very spot.

So...I recalled the verse about the apostle - "seeing the man had the faith to be healed" he told him to get up and walk. And the verses like...your faith has made you well...

BUT, I still don't have a problem with people not receiving healing. Every hair on our head is numbered and God will take us to be with Him when He has decided to do so!

Todd hears God tell him what is wrong with people and he walks up to them and actually tells them what God has told him and asks if he can pray for healing for them. So my knot comes in here - if God does not lead him by this way concerning someone, might he do better to not pray for specific healing for them?

Do you see my knot? I can be convoluted.

 

[Willie-T]

GM WFC!
I spent my hours before sleep watching a lot of Todd White videos! I came away with a knot in my mind.
I still have no doubt whatsoever that God has used Todd to heal people. I mean, as I said, the Spirit confirmed it to me, and I can never question His voice!

My knot came when (and this does not mean I expect Todd to be perfect or anything of the sort) he talked about how sometimes he does not see the person healed and he doesn't know why. He told about a young boy who was a believer and whose parents and sisters were believers, who were good friends of his. The boy had cancer and they went to pray for his healing. They prayed (I think he said) many times over the course of some days, but the boy died. He had seen God heal many unbelievers but there are times where believers don't receive healing. He is very honest and says he doesn't know why. And in fact, the undertaker who came to get the boy received a healing and was also saved right there, on the very spot.

So...I recalled the verse about the apostle - "seeing the man had the faith to be healed" he told him to get up and walk. And the verses like...your faith has made you well...

BUT, I still don't have a problem with people not receiving healing. Every hair on our head is numbered and God will take us to be with Him when He has decided to do so!

Todd hears God tell him what is wrong with people and he walks up to them and actually tells them what God has told him and asks if he can pray for healing for them. So my knot comes in here - if God does not lead him by this way concerning someone, might he do better to not pray for specific healing for them?

Do you see my knot? I can be convoluted.

You mean, refuse to pray for them because he didn't get a specific "word" about that person? Didn't even Jesus ask people what they wanted from Him? (The two blind men alongside the road come to mind.)

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is one guy's take on why all are not healed in some cases.


[video=youtube;67B_iQr-wWE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67B_iQr-wWE[/video]

 

[WarriorForChrist]

GM WFC!
I spent my hours before sleep watching a lot of Todd White videos! I came away with a knot in my mind.
I still have no doubt whatsoever that God has used Todd to heal people. I mean, as I said, the Spirit confirmed it to me, and I can never question His voice!

My knot came when (and this does not mean I expect Todd to be perfect or anything of the sort) he talked about how sometimes he does not see the person healed and he doesn't know why. He told about a young boy who was a believer and whose parents and sisters were believers, who were good friends of his. The boy had cancer and they went to pray for his healing. They prayed (I think he said) many times over the course of some days, but the boy died. He had seen God heal many unbelievers but there are times where believers don't receive healing. He is very honest and says he doesn't know why. And in fact, the undertaker who came to get the boy received a healing and was also saved right there, on the very spot.

So...I recalled the verse about the apostle - "seeing the man had the faith to be healed" he told him to get up and walk. And the verses like...your faith has made you well...

BUT, I still don't have a problem with people not receiving healing. Every hair on our head is numbered and God will take us to be with Him when He has decided to do so!

Todd hears God tell him what is wrong with people and he walks up to them and actually tells them what God has told him and asks if he can pray for healing for them. So my knot comes in here - if God does not lead him by this way concerning someone, might he do better to not pray for specific healing for them?

Do you see my knot? I can be convoluted.

I was actually thinking about why people don't get healed. I remember a minister, who was in the healing ministry, say he has gone to many hospitals and he found one source of people not being healed was the doctrine they were taught. He stated that an elderly man pretty much kicked him out of his room because he felt God caused the sickness.

In the instance with the boy not receiving healing. I have another theory. We know God is all knowing. Could God have shown mercy on the child? Maybe the child would have lived and never have served God and went to hell.

Maybe God used the child to bring the other person to Christ? Todd admitted in an interview that when he started out he prayed for around a thousand people before he saw anyone healed.

So, should Todd have attempted the healing? Not really sure. Maybe God sent him to the boy for a different reason and Todd could have been so focussed on the healing aspect of his ministry that he wasn't hearing the HS properly? Just a guess on my part

 

[LaurenTM]

if God does not lead him by this way concerning someone, might he do better to not pray for specific healing for them?

no. I do not believe there are restrictions on praying for any reason

I have had some prayers answered when I sat and prayed with no hope at all, sat there like a dried up twig and God came through for me in a miraculous way

I simply sat and prayed because that was all I had and remembered Jesus said not to give up.

Now He was telling them a parable to show that at all times they ought to pray and not to lose heart, Luke 18:1

I don't believe in formulas for answered prayer...when you have no heart, you don't sit there and try to remember the right way to pray

when Jesus went to his own region and was rejected, it is recorded that He did not do many miracles there

I think it may be because they rejected Him...I think too much emphasis is placed on kinds of faith, amounts of faith and faith in faith

like someone said, "Lord I believe. Help my unbelief."

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I was actually thinking about why people don't get healed. I remember a minister, who was in the healing ministry, say he has gone to many hospitals and he found one source of people not being healed was the doctrine they were taught. He stated that an elderly man pretty much kicked him out of his room because he felt God caused the sickness.

In the instance with the boy not receiving healing. I have another theory. We know God is all knowing. Could God have shown mercy on the child? Maybe the child would have lived and never have served God and went to hell.

Maybe God used the child to bring the other person to Christ? Todd admitted in an interview that when he started out he prayed for around a thousand people before he saw anyone healed.

So, should Todd have attempted the healing? Not really sure. Maybe God sent him to the boy for a different reason and Todd could have been so focussed on the healing aspect of his ministry that he wasn't hearing the HS properly? Just a guess on my part

Yeah, I think it seemed to me like Gods' purpose in that was for the caretaker to receive life.
And I heard where he said he prayed over a thousand times for healing before he saw one given. The verse that popped into my mind was keep asking, keep knocking.
I guess I was just wondering if...well...it's like this - I make a confession here - sometimes a person will say to me, would you pray that God do this or that for me? And I say I will pray (and do pray because if I say I will pray for someone I really do it) but...God has shown me something about them, and I do not pray what they've asked me to pray for them but instead pray based on what God has shown me about them.

Once again, I don't fault Todd, don't expect him to be perfect, or never confused - in other words, a man just like all of us, growing and learning in our Lord - but wonder if...just...he should pray differently if God doesn't seem to be telling him to pray for healing.

 

[ladylynn]

I have been learning how to allow myself permission to not know everything. AND I have been learning how to allow other people permission to not know everything. How can we know all the secrets of life? let alone GOD??? We have enough 'stuff' to walk through right where we are and right now. Yesterday is gone with it's successes and failures and tomorrow has not come yet. What a joke, what arrogance to think we can plan out life based on our limited sight. We don't know what tomorrow will bring - literally. We are in actuality walking one step at a time even though we see it as a whole week, or month or year or years at a time., we have only seen a tiny portion of the reality of life.

Do any of you brothers and sisters here see how silly it is for us Christians to "expect" perfection from themselves and other people? When it comes to being a Christian especially., this sort of boggles my mind when even mature believers who are considered intelligent., are actually EXPECTING perfection from each other. Don't they know they are not perfect and do NOT have it down??

This man Todd for instance. Here is a guy who is 'out there' doing more than ANY OF US are willing to do. Going right up to unsaved LOST people and freely talking to them (one on one) knowing Jesus does in fact love them each individually., and in Todd's assurance of that., he moves forward each day dealing with what ever situation comes along one issue at a time., one person at a time with the Holy Spirit's leading... this imperfect but willing Christian man.

And then there are us other people in the "peanut gallery" watching and judging and critiquing what Todd is or isn't doing. It just boggles my mind the arrogance and pride of the human heart without Jesus grace leading. Basically the question that the religious world is asking is "how come he is not doing a perfect mistake free job in his life and ministry?" HA!HA!!!

Only JESUS was perfect, mistake free.,sin free., totally single minded at all times not allowing anything to cause Him to falter or fail or deter Him from the course. Todd and Joel (and all those other higher profile people we know in ministry such as pastors, teachers., evangelists.,) and me and you.. are all works in progress. It seems to me that focusing on the things that are right with a person is time well spent as apposed to searching and looking for the chinks in someone's armor. I can promise you that my chinks would be discovered the minute after you walked into my life.

Maybe some are more expert at hiding their flaws than others and many have actually made it a life time quest to hide who they really are from others., so much so they have lost perspective on reality., but for sure we all have these flaws. And if you're a person who judges people every day of your life, I can say from my own personal experience, you are only having "delusions of grandeur"

And yet in all this imperfection, I'm so comforted and shocked that God still SEES us IN Christ having HIS righteousness on us. Otherwise don't you think we would have been ZAPPED with a lightening bolt long ago!? If it were up to our own self righteous religious standards none of us would be standing. And we alllll have those self righteous religious standards in us that will come out if we are not actively looking for a proper perspective)

 

[God4me]

GM WFC!
I spent my hours before sleep watching a lot of Todd White videos! I came away with a knot in my mind.
I still have no doubt whatsoever that God has used Todd to heal people. I mean, as I said, the Spirit confirmed it to me, and I can never question His voice!

My knot came when (and this does not mean I expect Todd to be perfect or anything of the sort) he talked about how sometimes he does not see the person healed and he doesn't know why. He told about a young boy who was a believer and whose parents and sisters were believers, who were good friends of his. The boy had cancer and they went to pray for his healing. They prayed (I think he said) many times over the course of some days, but the boy died. He had seen God heal many unbelievers but there are times where believers don't receive healing. He is very honest and says he doesn't know why. And in fact, the undertaker who came to get the boy received a healing and was also saved right there, on the very spot.

So...I recalled the verse about the apostle - "seeing the man had the faith to be healed" he told him to get up and walk. And the verses like...your faith has made you well...

BUT, I still don't have a problem with people not receiving healing. Every hair on our head is numbered and God will take us to be with Him when He has decided to do so!

Todd hears God tell him what is wrong with people and he walks up to them and actually tells them what God has told him and asks if he can pray for healing for them. So my knot comes in here - if God does not lead him by this way concerning someone, might he do better to not pray for specific healing for them?

Do you see my knot? I can be convoluted.

Healing with the word of knowledge, [God telling the Minister what's wrong with the sick person], Is only one way that God heals the sick. [That's a Spirit initiated healing].
Then there is also a faith initiated healing, like the woman with the blood flow, in Mk 5, She initiated her own healing.
Then there is healing by hearing the Biblical message on healing, as faith comes by hearing God's word, Rom 10: 17.
and God confirms His word, Mk 16: 20.
I was teaching on healing and a man in the meeting was very sick, but he received healing by hearing the Biblical healing scriptures.
We can't put God in a box and say He has only one way to heal the sick.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Came back to say that I forgot to say - I really liked his teaching in that first video about balance concerning the word, the Spirit and our gifts, and how there needs to be that balance. because there are ditches on both sides of a road. Use your gifts? Yes, he says, but zeal without the word and the Spirit is just a kid hopped up on sugar bouncing off the walls! (kind of like the problem with Paul concerning tongues and...uncontrolled exuberance/zeal). I mean, he didn't say all that in those words exactly, but that's what I got from what he did say... Walking in our gifts without that balance is dangerous and can just create pride in the gift. It's not about gifts but about the Giver and what He wants us to do with them.

 

[Stephen63]

I watched the video and I also did some research on TW. From what I've gathered, he either is an official part of (or at least associated with) a movement known as the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). This movement seeks to bring the world back to the age of the apostles. Other notable people in the movement include C. Peter Wagner and William Branham. NAR is also an offshoot of the Latter Rain movement.

From the video, it seems that Todd emphasizes "speaking to our sicknesses, ailments and diseases". The Scriptures tell us to pray for the sick, but I can't recall any place where we're advised, encouraged or commanded to actually speak to our sickness to make it go away. We must rely on God's will to heal us, and He may or may not do so. We just have to trust His timing and His wisdom.

Thank you for your post......Thought I'd bring it back to the front to be read again. Here's a movie for everyone's enjoyment.
[video=youtube;p-xcyW4qUFU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-xcyW4qUFU[/video]

 

[Stephen63]

To our readers..... Because of the falling away predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, million upon millions of christians will leave the faith. It DOESN'T say they will leave their churches. AAMOF, mega churches are growing. The church structure stays about the same, but who's saved by a church's systematic structure?

If you take over their doctrine, you control millions of people.

Has anyone ever thought of this: if millions will be deceived, there HAS to be people out there preaching to those millions?

As a rule & as a Berean, I especially don't trust televangelists because they ARE preaching to the millions.....AND taking their money.

Just look at how fast the TV church is growing..... How many "christian" TV networks are out there? And, how many of these same "televangelists" are on there selling their wares? Just how corrupt is TV church?

In the world, if you control the media, you control what's told to the people. Yet we can't fathom the idea that TV ministry is simply the media controlling religion?

Their "preachers" brag that they don't take a salary..... so what? How many pastors are out there taking "cost of living" expenses to control their taxes owed? Now, imagine the "living expenses" of a televangelist for a private jet, the pilot, body guards, presidential suites to sleep in, vacation getaways, fancy restaurant tabs, clothes, limos & Rolls Royces & their drivers, mechanics, maids in their mansions, their multiple mansions, upkeep for their pools, horses, boats, & whatever else they have that's expensive. I could live off of the costs of keeping their olympic size pool in good shape!

BEHOLD THEIR "LIVING EXPENSES"!!
BEHOLD THE FALSE PROPHETS & THEIR LIES!!

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

To our readers..... Because of the falling away predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, million upon millions of christians will leave the faith. It DOESN'T say they will leave their churches. AAMOF, mega churches are growing. The church structure stays about the same, but who's saved by a church's systematic structure?

If you take over their doctrine, you control millions of people.

Has anyone ever thought of this: if millions will be deceived, there HAS to be people out there preaching to those millions?

As a rule & as a Berean, I especially don't trust televangelists because they ARE preaching to the millions.....AND taking their money.

Just look at how fast the TV church is growing..... How many "christian" TV networks are out there? And, how many of these same "televangelists" are on there selling their wares? Just how corrupt is TV church?

In the world, if you control the media, you control what's told to the people. Yet we can't fathom the idea that TV ministry is simply the media controlling religion?

Their "preachers" brag that they don't take a salary..... so what? How many pastors are out there taking "cost of living" expenses to control their taxes owed? Now, imagine the "living expenses" of a televangelist for a private jet, the pilot, body guards, presidential suites to sleep in, vacation getaways, fancy restaurant tabs, clothes, limos & Rolls Royces & their drivers, mechanics, maids in their mansions, their multiple mansions, upkeep for their pools, horses, boats, & whatever else they have that's expensive. I could live off of the costs of keeping their olympic size pool in good shape!

BEHOLD THEIR "LIVING EXPENSES"!!
BEHOLD THE FALSE PROPHETS & THEIR LIES!!

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Todd isn't a TV evangelist. He is a street evangelist.

 

[Grace777x70]

Todd isn't a TV evangelist. He is a street evangelist.

Anyone and everyone that doesn't agree with what "I" believe - are targets for some people....they think it's their "ministry" to "expose" them.....in reality they are just exposing their malice and slander to others in the body of Christ....not all parts have the same function in the body of Christ.

 

[willfollowsGod]

I was actually thinking about why people don't get healed. I remember a minister, who was in the healing ministry, say he has gone to many hospitals and he found one source of people not being healed was the doctrine they were taught. He stated that an elderly man pretty much kicked him out of his room because he felt God caused the sickness.

In the instance with the boy not receiving healing. I have another theory. We know God is all knowing. Could God have shown mercy on the child? Maybe the child would have lived and never have served God and went to hell.

Maybe God used the child to bring the other person to Christ? Todd admitted in an interview that when he started out he prayed for around a thousand people before he saw anyone healed.

So, should Todd have attempted the healing? Not really sure. Maybe God sent him to the boy for a different reason and Todd could have been so focussed on the healing aspect of his ministry that he wasn't hearing the HS properly? Just a guess on my part

The drive that Todd White is similar to the one that Paul had until the Holy Spirit stopped him from going into Bithynia and Asia, the province not the continent. Here is the reference:

Acts 16:9-10
Paul and his companions traveled throughout the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been kept by the Holy Spirit from preaching the word in the province of Asia. When they came to the border of Mysia, they tried to enter Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus would not allow them to. So they passed by Mysia and went down to Troas. During the night Paul had a vision of a man of Macedonia standing and begging him, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.” After Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at once to leave for Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.

So God had different plans for Todd, even though the plan Todd had was good and godly. God bless.

 

[LaurenTM]

Todd isn't a TV evangelist. He is a street evangelist.

oh come on

what about the spirit of judgement?

streets? everyone knows that you must bring them into church, outfit them with the same robes that you wear, pat them on the back and then pass them the offering plate

and even though this thread is not about a televangelist, by gum, it still makes for good target practice

now where's my potatoe gun....

 

[UnderGrace]

LaurenTM my friend, you do indeed have insight and you are funny too!!


QUOTE=LaurenTM;2725078]oh come on

what about the spirit of judgement?

streets? everyone knows that you must bring them into church, outfit them with the same robes that you wear, pat them on the back and then pass them the offering plate

and even though this thread is not about a televangelist, by gum, it still makes for good target practice

now where's my potatoe gun....[/QUOTE]

 

[WarriorForChrist]

oh come on

what about the spirit of judgement?

streets? everyone knows that you must bring them into church, outfit them with the same robes that you wear, pat them on the back and then pass them the offering plate

and even though this thread is not about a televangelist, by gum, it still makes for good target practice

now where's my potatoe gun....

I guess I lost the humor in this lol

 

[LaurenTM]

LaurenTM my friend, you do indeed have insight and you are funny too!!

I try I try

I guess I lost the humor in this lol

maybe you left it beside your potatoe gun?

 

[Willie-T]

Everyone is trying to be so cute and cryptic, that I have no idea who might be criticizing Todd and who isn't. LOL