TONGUES is a precious gift from God

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Blain

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Forgive me for being rational.

I read what people say and I also trust my reasonable mind in Christ to discern what the direction of words mean when I read them. So whilst I can ask you how you know my thoughts - and you can tell me that my words indicate what I am thinking and then you openly say that you know the author of the contentious words (those words being contended over) you are not after all speaking about what I think - because if what I wrote is what I was thinking - then no need to change your mind about how you can tell me in your first response to myself what the contentious words mean (those words being contended over) when you say:



In this second post to myself (as cited at the head of this comment now) you explain that you don't know what the author of the contentious words (those words being contended over) mean in the sense that you may have misunderstood - but that remains to be seen as you say - and you predicate that on the idea that prophecy is not always about proclaiming something "often times especially for the church it is a form of building and strengthening what is already there" - but you also say that this prayer (meaning those words being contended over) - may be for his salvation - which you say may be a misunderstanding - but you do think that the prayer (meaning those words being contended over) was meant as an anointing.

Being rational is galling isn't it brother.

Thats why some brethren simply express positive assertions which when unchallenged or challenged may transport into prophetic speech. It is no different to sorcery - yet it is a directing others for God when we say pray and then give them a form of words.. Those who make such intentional speech - so as to direct a man to pray to the Father as an encouragement - yet predicate on undoubted substance of a meaning to the body and blood of Christ - must account for their words.

In the church I fellowship in they would be challenged by myself and I have done so many times and seldom found a clear meaning. Just endless flip flopping from one precept to another as though it were somehow difficult to understand that we can encourage one another - or else we can ask questions and then offer prayer - or else we can desire to bless a brother or sister. What we have no authority to do is set our speech into a prophetic guise being the authoritative basis - meaning to speak for God or to be led of the Holy Spirit - and then incite a mistaken claim which rationally could not be mistaken when we say:

"Now, with the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ I make Jesus Christ my Savior, Lord and KING - I have no other savior, lord or king, or god. I belong to Jesus Christ."

The gift of speaking in tongues goes hand in hand with the gift of prophecy when it is interpreted and the belief that we are led by the Holy Spirit when we say things in the Lord's name. How will we account for that unless we are willing to be tested? And how will we prevent others faltering because they nervously say that they are not worthy to receive a gift that is for children and babes in Christ - when we assert such strong claims that even includes their salvation?
Yes it is wide to be rational but also unwise to not be sensative to the spirit, I walk in both being rational and sensitive to the spirit which at times requires us to be unrational and go by the spirits leading as his way tend oppose that of mans, the key is to be able to balance it to know hen to be rational and simply go by faith and follow his leading.

For me this was one of those times I felt it was an anointing and the thing about following his leading is often times you go into it blind not knowing why you said or did something but regardless if I am right or wrong I know that she is even more intuned to his pirit than I could ever hope to be so I trust what she has said, logic is all well and good and I am not saying to throw it out the window but his logic often opposes our own we know not why we say or do certain things by his leading and there are always those who would disagree or in some form oppose it but he will be anointed this much I can prophesy and it will come to pass.
 
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I pray I'm someday worthy of tongues if it's God's will. I've never felt it. Perhaps I've not been open enough.
Grant it, that Paul stated he wished Everyone Spoke in Tongues...but the truth is, You have Gifts those who Speak in Tongues most likely do not have. Your Gifts are just as Important as the Gifts you do not have. And reveals the Importance of being assembled together in a body of Believers so All Gifts are present. When All Gifts are present, Great Amazing things seem to happen. Be Grateful for Your Gifts. There are many who wished they had them.
 

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Why have you given a man who is born again and is therefore in Christ by faith - having Christ in Him by the Holy Spirit - evidenced by his confession of faith and his claim in his profile that he is a Christian - a seeming prayer of repentance equal to a prophetic instruction to making Christ his Saviour?

All he said was:
It’s time for @RAWisconsin to be free in Christ from the law of works and condemnation….when a person struggles with thoughts of being “worthy”, they are being spiritually attacked by a demonic spirit of religion that is condemning them with self critical judgments which keeps them in bondage of never feeling worthy.

It is important to remind them that they are forgiven and loved and accepted in Christ.

Jesus Christ came to set RAWisconsin FREE from ANY AND ALL condemnation and he is to walk in newness of Life and freely receive ALL his Heavenly Father wants to give him, amen! :love:(y)
 

TMS

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i read many of the posts and there wasn't many bible verses quoted..

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

A gift from an enemy can be very deadly. The underworld has successfully dispatched many human targets by beautifully wrapping a bomb as a gift with an ornate bow and paper that explodes when opened. Today the devil is using a counterfeit gift of the Spirit -a pagan form of the gift of tongues- to gain access to the church of God and destroy it from within.

i will give you bible verses.....
 

Lafftur

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Perhaps it was prophetic just not for the reason you think, sometimes prayers such as this are like pouring oil over your head it is an anointing prayer
It was a prayer of faith In Christ to deliver RAWisconsin from his struggle with self-condemnation from a religious demonic spirit that was attacking him.

He is FREE IN CHRIST, he is NOT to ever feel not worthy.
 

TMS

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A definition. The word "tongue" in the Bible simply means "a language."

God gives all the gifts of the Spirit to fill a practical need. What was the need for tongues?

Jesus told His followers, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matthew 28:19). This command posed a problem. How could the apostles go out preaching to all the world when they spoke only one or two languages? It was a miraculous, supernatural ability to speak foreign languages they had not formerly studied or known for the purpose of spreading the Gospel.

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; ... they shall speak with new tongues" (Mark 16:17).
The fact that Jesus said these new tongues, or languages, would be a "sign" indicates that the ability to speak them would not come as the result of normal linguistic study. Rather, it would be an instantaneous gift to fluently preach in a previously unfamiliar language.

There are only three actual examples of speaking in tongues recorded in the Bible (Acts chapters 2, 10, and 19). If we look at these three cases, we should find a clearer picture of this controversial gift.
 

TMS

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"When the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven [divided] tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance" (Acts 2:1-4).

Why did the Lord wait until Pentecost to bestow this gift? Acts 2:5-11 sets the scene: "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? ... We do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."

The gift was given for a practical purpose.
 

TMS

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The ancient city of Corinth was famous for its two international seaports. Because the Corinthian church was a melting pot of many different nationalities, its services often became chaotic and confusing. Evidently some of the members would pray, testify, or preach in languages unknown to the others present. This is why Paul commanded that if they spoke in a tongue unknown to the majority, they should remain silent unless there was someone there to interpret or translate (1 Corinthians 14:28). In other words, it's not polite to speak in a language that your audience cannot understand. Listen to these plain statements from the apostle:

"Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. ... Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. ... If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God" (1 Corinthians 14:6-9, 19, 27, 28).

Are the tongues that are spoken in your church being interpreted? so that everyone can understand?
 
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Oblio

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1 Corinthians 14:2 - It is the language of God that when prayed by the Holy Spirit, using our speech faculties, is understood only by the Father in heaven unless there is an interpretation.
 

TMS

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The consistent message of Paul throughout Scripture makes it very clear.
1 Timothy 6:20. O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
2 Timothy 2:16. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

In other words, the very purpose for the gift of speech is to communicate your thoughts. If those present do not understand your communication, then keep silent.
 
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I was in church once and someone spoke in tongues and there was no interpretation...their nose fell off.
 

TMS

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Many would agree that the tongues spoken in the book of Acts were normal languages of the world. But some quickly add that there is a second gift-a heavenly prayer language. This gift, they say, is to express the Spirit's "groanings which cannot be uttered" (Romans 8:26). The purpose, they say, is so the devil cannot understand our prayers. But nowhere are we taught to hide our prayers from the devil. He trembles when he hears Christians pray!

This doctrine of a prayer language is based mainly upon 1 Corinthians 14:14 where Paul says, "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful."

They interpret this to mean that when Paul prayed in the Spirit, he used a "heavenly tongue" and did not himself know what he was praying. This theory raises an important question. How would the supplicant ever know if his prayer was answered? or know what He is praying for?

So what is Paul really saying in 1 Corinthians 14:14? The problem in understanding this verse comes largely from the cumbersome translation. Please allow me to rephrase the verse in modern English: "If I pray in a language those around me do not know, I might be praying with the Spirit, but my thoughts would be unfruitful for those listening." Paul is adamant that if we pray out loud, we should either pray so others around us can understand or else keep quiet! Notice the next few verses: "What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest" (1 Corinthians 14:15,16)? According to this text, who has the problem with understanding? It is the listener and not the speaker as is commonly taught. If you have ever prayed with someone who is offering a prayer in a language unknown to you, then you know what Paul meant when he said it is difficult for you to say "Amen" (meaning "so be it") at the end of the prayer. Without an interpreter, you have no idea to what you are assenting. You may have just asked a blessing on the devil as far as you can tell!
 

TMS

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If there is no interpreter, the speaker is simply speaking into the air and the only ones present who know what is being said are God and himself. This is the clear meaning of the often-misquoted verse 2. "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries."

Paul emphasizes again that the languages spoken need to be understood by the hearers or else the one who wants to share the mysteries of the gospel needs to sit quietly in meditation between himself and God. "So likewise ye; except ye utter by tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air." "But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God" (verses 9, 28). Clearly, the entire purpose of tongues is to cross language barriers and communicate the gospel!
 
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I pray in tongues to edify (strengthen) myself spiritually. I pray to the Lord with my words and tongues. When the need has arisen, I pray in warring tongues when in conflict with the enemy. I have never spoken in tongues in a meeting so as to be interpreted though I have often heard others do this. I believe 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 cover this. This is my experience and this, in the sight of God, is my testimony.
My personal understanding is that you don't want to just blab out tongues and interfere with a speaker, unless there is an interpretation. However, I believe tongues during worship and corporate prayer can be a good thing.
But I don't know everything.
 

TMS

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Some have asked, "Didn't Paul say he spoke with the tongues of angels?"

No. Paul said, "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels ..." (1 Corinthians 13:1). If you read this verse in its context, you will see that the word "though" means "even if." For example, Paul also said in verse 2, "Though I have all faith ..." He did not have all faith. And verse 3 adds, "Though I give my body to be burned ..." Paul was beheaded, not burned. So we can see that Paul here used the word "though" to mean "even if."
 
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If you think that the sole purpose of tongues is to communicate to someone who speaks another language, then with all due respect, I disagree.
 

TMS

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This modern manifestation of tongues finds its roots not in the Bible, but rather in ancient pagan spiritualistic rituals. In the sixth century B.C., the Oracle of Delphi was housed in a temple built near the foot of Mt. Parnassus. Delphi was also sacred to Dionysus, the god associated with wine, fertility, and sensual dance, and to the nine Muses, patron goddesses of music.

While exhilarating music was played, the chief priestess named Pythia would breathe intoxicating vapors, go into a frenzied trance, and then begin jabbering. The weird sounds the priestess muttered were then interpreted by a priest, who usually spoke in verse. Her utterances were regarded as the words of Apollo, but the messages were so ambiguous that they could seldom be proven wrong.
 

Blain

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It was a prayer of faith In Christ to deliver RAWisconsin from his struggle with self-condemnation from a religious demonic spirit that was attacking him.

He is FREE IN CHRIST, he is NOT to ever feel not worthy.
Ah I see you know this is something I struggle with as well so I can emphasize with him on this matter self worth has never been my strong suite, but regardless I knew to trust what you said.
 

TMS

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People claim they've had the baptism of the Holy Spirit because they spoke in tongues; yet they did sinful things..... Now let's get something straight. There are some basic requirements for receiving any gift of the Holy Spirit.

Jesus says, "If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth" (John 14:15, 16, 17).

"And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him" (Acts 5:32).

A few years ago several famous TV evangelists fell by the way. They all claimed to be filled with the Holy Spirit and have the gift of tongues. But they were living in gross immoral disobedience. They would speak in tongues on TV, then leave the studio to live a compromising life. Something just wasn't right. These men also caused me to wonder, "If this is the genuine gift of tongues, then why do these charismatic evangelists need an army of interpreters to translate for them when they preach overseas?"
 
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While you have a partial acceptance of tongues and do not fall under 2 Timothy 3:5, "having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.", and there is this passage to consider, " Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.", discounting all but what you are saying isn't helpful.
I'll put it in simple English...I don't care what so and so did or did not do, I'm telling you my belief, my understanding of scripture, and most importantly to me, what the Lord has done with me. And if you want to argue with that (notice I did not say agree with me), then "good night."