TONGUES is a precious gift from God

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Rhomphaeam

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Yes I was very blessed by the song it made me want to sing praise to him but what I wanted to speak in my heart words would not suffice. To be honest I have sometimes wondered if there is a type of tongues that only the heart can speak, sometimes am overcome by my love and affection for him and my endearment but words simply cannot express the depth of it so I pour my love and affection with my heart as if speak a language of the heart words with no sound and a language with no words as if more thandimply speaking it but pouring it directly into him.

If this is a type of tongues it certainly is beautiful
What you are describing is a function of the spirit. Your spirit in communion with God in the inner man of the spirit.

An equivalence is that peace of God which surpasses all understanding. In experience (outward) it is peace in the entire man even in our martyrdom if the Lord has given us that portion when the time comes. But that outward provocation of being put to death for Christ in the body produces the need for that peace else such things would be a terror.

Similarly when we hear song that is anointed and rises from a gift of God we may find ourselves being transported to the inner man - to the new man in Christ - and in that spiritual place deep calls unto deep. The reason why it is a spiritual man calling unto God is because it is also a man that knows in his outer portion of the soul (thoughts and intentions of the heart) that he has a great need for God - and that need is expressed in the wordless language of the Spirit. Yet because we are enlivened by song when this moment overtakes us we find that the mingling of the thoughts and the intentions of the heart limit our ability to be silent and so we feel a deep need to express ourselves with our minds that would ordinarily give rise to words - when in that place there is only communion with God.

An easier thing to understand for those who have the power of the Holy Spirit is to worship God in fellowship with other Spirit filled believers. In such a place we enter into the Father's presence with Christ at His right hand by the power of the Holy Spirit in agreement and in obedience to Christ in us by the indwelling Spirit of God - and in that place we can also be carried into unspeakable joy and utter mysteries in tongues. We can also speak profound truths concerning the Father of His great love and of Christ of His great sacrifice on the Cross for our sin and the sins of many - and in that way we edify one another because we are all bound in the same unity of Spirit and in the same calling to know the Father by His beloved Son.

Yet the first deep calling unto deep (the thing of which you speak) is a hidden communion with God - and so whilst we may be delivered into that place of the inner man by anointed song - it is a place of the silence of knowing God. It is not a place to speak even mysteries.

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It would be not such a problem to believe that tjis gift is for today Christians, if it would be taught in a Biblical way (1.Cor. 12,-14). Which says clear that not all believers will receive this gift.
But this teaching enters the world since 1901 with an binding to the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Thst means: before this time and also in the churches of the world speaking in tongues was not practised and not given.
Out of some cults qhichvseems to prepare the time of the pentecostal and later charismatic movements.
If speaking in tongues as it is mainly taught today, is for us today. I would expect it in all Christian denominations and not outgoing from special places like azuza/ topeka and so on. And for shure not with Events we could find in spiritism, too.
Most people are ignorant about tongues, and ignorance often breeds fear, and often the way people respond to things they are ignorant and fearful about is to denigrate them.
 

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Yes I was very blessed by the song it made me want to sing praise to him but what I wanted to speak in my heart words would not suffice. To be honest I have sometimes wondered if there is a type of tongues that only the heart can speak, sometimes am overcome by my love and affection for him and my endearment but words simply cannot express the depth of it so I pour my love and affection with my heart as if speak a language of the heart words with no sound and a language with no words as if more thandimply speaking it but pouring it directly into him.

If this is a type of tongues it certainly is beautiful
Romans 8: 26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.
 
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It would be not such a problem to believe that tjis gift is for today Christians, if it would be taught in a Biblical way (1.Cor. 12,-14). Which says clear that not all believers will receive this gift.
But this teaching enters the world since 1901 with an binding to the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Thst means: before this time and also in the churches of the world speaking in tongues was not practised and not given.
Out of some cults qhichvseems to prepare the time of the pentecostal and later charismatic movements.
If speaking in tongues as it is mainly taught today, is for us today. I would expect it in all Christian denominations and not outgoing from special places like azuza/ topeka and so on. And for shure not with Events we could find in spiritism, too.
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Aidan1

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Most people are ignorant about tongues, and ignorance often breeds fear, and often the way people respond to things they are ignorant and fearful about is to denigrate them.
This has nothing to do with ignorance and fear.
Its has to do with Sound teaching.
 

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oops, me and my misspelling! Sorry,
Matthew, Mark, LUKE, John and the letters of Paul.(y)
 
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It would be not such a problem to believe that tjis gift is for today Christians, if it would be taught in a Biblical way (1.Cor. 12,-14). Which says clear that not all believers will receive this gift.
But this teaching enters the world since 1901 with an binding to the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Thst means: before this time and also in the churches of the world speaking in tongues was not practised and not given.
Out of some cults qhichvseems to prepare the time of the pentecostal and later charismatic movements.
If speaking in tongues as it is mainly taught today, is for us today. I would expect it in all Christian denominations and not outgoing from special places like azuza/ topeka and so on. And for shure not with Events we could find in spiritism, too.
What a load.

.....and we know for a fact it is true because of your experience (none) and prejudicial conjecture.
 
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This has nothing to do with ignorance and fear.
Its has to do with Sound teaching.
Show me where when hands were laid on people in acts, and they got the baptism in the Holy Spirit, they were taught anything.

It is an impartation.
Not "learned"
 
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Anything you Get from God is always authenticated by His word.

Visions i have recieved
Baptism in the Holy Spirit
Speaking in tongues
Words of knowledge
His still small voice
Talking WITH Him.
Hearing His voice
FEELING His presence
Enjoying His favor.

....and more!

All active in my walk
All AUTHENTICATED in His word.
 

Aidan1

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Show me where when hands were laid on people in acts, and they got the baptism in the Holy Spirit, they were taught anything.

It is an impartation.
Not "learned"
You cant compare the events in Acts with the church. All these Events happend without that there was a church.
And it is interesting that this "important" issue ( speaking in tongues as visible sign that someone has received the baptism in the Holy Spirit) nowhere is taught in the church. But all for the believers in the past and in the future important issues were taught to the believers in the letters we find in the bible.
 

Aidan1

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Anything you Get from God is always authenticated by His word.

Visions i have recieved
Baptism in the Holy Spirit
Speaking in tongues
Words of knowledge
His still small voice
Talking WITH Him.
Hearing His voice
FEELING His presence
Enjoying His favor.

....and more!

All active in my walk
All AUTHENTICATED in His word.
Speaking in tongues is a gift, which was not given to all believers! You agree?
 
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You cant compare the events in Acts with the church. All these Events happend without that there was a church.
And it is interesting that this "important" issue ( speaking in tongues as visible sign that someone has received the baptism in the Holy Spirit) nowhere is taught in the church. But all for the believers in the past and in the future important issues were taught to the believers in the letters we find in the bible.
No need to compare in terms of Churches, only a need to compare what we read in the Book of Acts is relevant for any Body of Believers. Within a Body of Believers, what we read in the Book of Acts should be happening as it did then but now. If God is the "Same" yesterday-today-forever, the example in the Book of Acts follows the same principle.

As far as Speaking in Tongues equals one is Saved, John Wesley, never Spoke in Tongues.

But ironically, his preaching and the genuine Movement of God resulted in those he preached to having what Wesley called the "Holy Shakes and Stammering Speech."

So Wesley, never spoke in Tongues, but those he preached to DID. And both John Wesley and those who Spoke in Tongues are equally Saved!
 

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Speaking in tongues is a gift, which was not given to all believers! You agree?
Paul's rhetorical question, "...do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" pertains to the Spiritual Gift of Tongues.

Praying in an unknown tongue differs from operating in the Spiritual Gift of Tongues: "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2

Paul said he thanked God that he spoke in tongues MORE THAN those he was addressing. Paul's statement makes the point that they too actually spoke in tongues. But he did it more than they: "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all. Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. (1 Cor. 14:18-19)
 

Aidan1

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No need to compare in terms of Churches, only a need to compare what we read in the Book of Acts is relevant for any Body of Believers. Within a Body of Believers, what we read in the Book of Acts should be happening as it did then but now. If God is the "Same" yesterday-today-forever, the example in the Book of Acts follows the same principle.

As far as Speaking in Tongues equals one is Saved, John Wesley, never Spoke in Tongues.

But ironically, his preaching and the genuine Movement of God resulted in those he preached to having what Wesley called the "Holy Shakes and Stammering Speech."

So Wesley, never spoke in Tongues, but those he preached to DID. And both John Wesley and those who Spoke in Tongues are equally Saved!
Not necessarily, today we have not the apostles, as they was in Acts. And today we have no people which through God is doing the same miracles as we read from Peter or Paul in Acts.
So you cant compare. And it is independ that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and for all eternity.
He obviously is not giving the same gifts to all time.
 
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Not necessarily, today we have not the apostles, as they was in Acts. And today we have no people which through God is doing the same miracles as we read from Peter or Paul in Acts.
So you cant compare. And it is independ that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and for all eternity.
He obviously is not giving the same gifts to all time.
Then You are telling me that God has changed, after He said He is the Same always and forever.

Why would you believe in a God, that lies, according to your post?
 

Aidan1

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Paul's rhetorical question, "...do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?" pertains to the Spiritual Gift of Tongues.

Praying in an unknown tongue differs from operating in the Spiritual Gift of Tongues: "For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2

Paul said he thanked God that he spoke in tongues MORE THAN those he was addressing. Paul's statement makes the point that they too actually spoke in tongues. But he did it more than they: "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all. Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. (1 Cor. 14:19-19)]

Speaking in tongues is speaking in tongues.
This gift is not given to all.
And if you mean that Acts 2,8,10 and 19 supporting your view, i must dissapoint you.
the Tongues in Acts where languages which where understand from the people arround.

Paul is speaking in 1. Cor. from the unkown tongues. Right. And these unkown tongues he mean also in 1. COR. 12,30. ... Do all speak in tongues? The answer to this rhetorical question is : No!
 

Aidan1

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Then You are telling me that God has changed, after He said He is the Same always and forever.

Why would you believe in a God, that lies, according to your post?
What God is, has nothing to do with an different acting.
In which country we had speaking in tongues in the churches, before 1900?