Too late after our death?

[throughfaith]

The gift is there for the taking for we have been given the freewill to refuse if we so wish.

The gift is to be recieved , if you have not recieved it and you died today ,then you would go to hell . Its not a gift thats slowly infused into you over time .

 

[throughfaith]

Yes the grace of Christ as a result of His labor of love or work of faith that works in us to both will and do his good pleasure .Its not for nothing But is for his good pleasure.

That's just a flowery way of saying salvation by works .

 

[throughfaith]

I hope you are not saying, that man isn't already in hot water, even before he sins. We all died in trespasses and sin when Adam broke the commandment in the Garden. Since he was the Federal Head of all mankind, we all fell with him. We are all guilty of that sin, whether we ever commit a sin of our own or not.

Apart from this, I agree to your point.

We are not guilty of Adams sin . We are sinners because we u

 

[throughfaith]

and, for 'our good pleasure', for our mind has to become one with His...
PHI. 2:5.
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

When you say ' has " to , what do you mean ?

 

[garee]

That's just a flowery way of saying salvation by works .

Yes, dandelions my favorite. By the works of Christ's faith as labor of His love. Not of our own flowery self.

Its impossible to separate Christ's faith . ..".Let there be". . . . . . . from works . . (to will and to do) . . . ."And he saw it was good". And hope for life without faith, the spirit of the matter. . The living abiding word of God is author and finisher of our new faith. It as it is written works in us. . yoked with us making our load lighter .

 

[garee]

When you say ' has " to , what do you mean ?

I think

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

You could say it is Christ who works in us giving us a new desire to agree with him.

 

[throughfaith]

I think

Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?

You could say it is Christ who works in us giving us a new desire to agree with him.

I think I see you pluck a verse at random and then just make something up about it that is unrelated to the verse ?

 

[oldethennew]

When you say ' has " to , what do you mean ?

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it is written:
EPH. 4:13.
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of The Son of God,
unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14.
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15.
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16.
From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth,
according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, makes increase of the body
unto the edifying of itself in Love.

 

[throughfaith]

======================================
it is written:
EPH. 4:13.
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of The Son of God,
unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14.
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine,
by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15.
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into Him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16.
From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth,
according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, makes increase of the body
unto the edifying of itself in Love.

Are you saying that if a believer does not ripen, so to speak, he will be lost ?

 

[oldethennew]

NO,
it is written:

1COR. 3:12.
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13.
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire;
and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[throughfaith]

NO,
it is written:

1COR. 3:12.
Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13.
Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire;
and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

" but he himself shall be saved "

 

[awelight]

We are not guilty of Adams sin . We are sinners because we u

You said, "We are not guilty of Adams sin"

To make such a statement.... that all of mankind is not under the "Adamic curse" is to deny fundamental Bible teaching. It is the entire reason why God decreed salvation. As the representative head of all mankind, his fall from righteousness took us all with him. Why else would Scripture say, that we are all dead in trespasses and sins. When Adam fell, he trespassed, the one law of the Garden of Eden and therefore sinned against his Creator.

All of humankind is guilty of sin, by there association in Adam, whether they commit sin or not personally. All will be condemned, unless they are under the blood:

Rom 5:12-14 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that for until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come. all sinned:-- (All were constituted as sinners, from Adam unto Moses, without Law, Nevertheless, death reigned.... the consequence of the "Adamic Curse.")

Because of the Adamic curse, all are guilty of sin, even new born babes, for the Scripture says:

Ps 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

And yes, we are going to have to give account of our sins before the Great White Throne, if one is not redeemed.

 

[throughfaith]

You said, "We are not guilty of Adams sin"

To make such a statement.... that all of mankind is not under the "Adamic curse" is to deny fundamental Bible teaching. It is the entire reason why God decreed salvation. As the representative head of all mankind, his fall from righteousness took us all with him. Why else would Scripture say, that we are all dead in trespasses and sins. When Adam fell, he trespassed, the one law of the Garden of Eden and therefore sinned against his Creator.

All of humankind is guilty of sin, by there association in Adam, whether they commit sin or not personally. All will be condemned, unless they are under the blood:

Rom 5:12-14 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that for until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come. all sinned:-- (All were constituted as sinners, from Adam unto Moses, without Law, Nevertheless, death reigned.... the consequence of the "Adamic Curse.")

Because of the Adamic curse, all are guilty of sin, even new born babes, for the Scripture says:

Ps 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

And yes, we are going to have to give account of our sins before the Great White Throne, if one is not redeemed.

This is calvinism ,the T . nowhere does it say we inherited the ' guilt ' of Adam . Babies cannot understand the law . Sin is transgression of the law . This is nonsense thanks to Augustine.

 

[throughfaith]

You said, "We are not guilty of Adams sin"

To make such a statement.... that all of mankind is not under the "Adamic curse" is to deny fundamental Bible teaching. It is the entire reason why God decreed salvation. As the representative head of all mankind, his fall from righteousness took us all with him. Why else would Scripture say, that we are all dead in trespasses and sins. When Adam fell, he trespassed, the one law of the Garden of Eden and therefore sinned against his Creator.

All of humankind is guilty of sin, by there association in Adam, whether they commit sin or not personally. All will be condemned, unless they are under the blood:

Rom 5:12-14 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that for until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come. all sinned:-- (All were constituted as sinners, from Adam unto Moses, without Law, Nevertheless, death reigned.... the consequence of the "Adamic Curse.")

Because of the Adamic curse, all are guilty of sin, even new born babes, for the Scripture says:

Ps 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

And yes, we are going to have to give account of our sins before the Great White Throne, if one is not redeemed.

All of what you say here does not support that we are born withdraws

You said, "We are not guilty of Adams sin"

To make such a statement.... that all of mankind is not under the "Adamic curse" is to deny fundamental Bible teaching. It is the entire reason why God decreed salvation. As the representative head of all mankind, his fall from righteousness took us all with him. Why else would Scripture say, that we are all dead in trespasses and sins. When Adam fell, he trespassed, the one law of the Garden of Eden and therefore sinned against his Creator.

All of humankind is guilty of sin, by there association in Adam, whether they commit sin or not personally. All will be condemned, unless they are under the blood:

Rom 5:12-14 Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; and so death passed unto all men, for that for until the law sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression, who is a figure of him that was to come. all sinned:-- (All were constituted as sinners, from Adam unto Moses, without Law, Nevertheless, death reigned.... the consequence of the "Adamic Curse.")

Because of the Adamic curse, all are guilty of sin, even new born babes, for the Scripture says:

Ps 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

And yes, we are going to have to give account of our sins before the Great White Throne, if one is not redeemed.

Nothing above says we inherit the Guilt 'of Adams sin . There is a difference between saying we all suffer the effects of the fall and the ' guilt ' of Adsms sin .

 

[awelight]

This is calvinism ,the T . nowhere does it say we inherited the ' guilt ' of Adam . Babies cannot understand the law . Sin is transgression of the law . This is nonsense thanks to Augustine.

Therefore, you are denying what the Scriptures clearly say.

If there was no "Adamic Curse", then why would God need to formulate a plan for Redemption.? If there is no curse, then some might make it on their own, correct? They may not sin. Then logic dictates, those need not a Savior. Is this what you see in Scripture?

As for the "babies" go, I simply point back to the Psalms. If you have a problem with this, take it up with God, he said it.

Ps 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

 

[awelight]

John Gill had the following to say on this subject:

Death by sin; that is, death has entered into the world of men by sin, by the first sin of the first man; not only corporeal death, but a spiritual or moral one, man, in consequence of this, becoming "dead in sin", deprived of righteousness, and averse, and impotent to all that is good; and also an eternal death, to which he is liable; for "the wages of sin is death", Rom_6:23; even eternal death: all mankind are in a legal sense dead, the sentence of condemnation and death immediately passed on Adam as soon as he had sinned, and upon all his posterity;

All have sinned: all men were naturally and seminally in him; as he was the common parent of mankind, he had all human nature in him, and was also the covenant head, and representative of all his posterity; so that they were in him both naturally and federally, and so "sinned in him"; and fell with him by his first transgression into condemnation and death. The ancient Jews, and some of the modern ones, have said many things agreeably to the apostle's doctrine of original sin; they own the imputation of the guilt of Adam's sin to his posterity to condemnation and death;

 

[throughfaith]

Therefore, you are denying what the Scriptures clearly say.

If there was no "Adamic Curse", then why would God need to formulate a plan for Redemption.? If there is no curse, then some might make it on their own, correct? They may not sin. Then logic dictates, those need not a Savior. Is this what you see in Scripture?

As for the "babies" go, I simply point back to the Psalms. If you have a problem with this, take it up with God, he said it.

Ps 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

We are talking about the ' inheriting the GUILT of Adam doctrine here not the curse of the fall in which everything went ' pear shape with thorns on top . Let's not make doctrines from psalms . Yes we all sin and fall short of the Glory of God .

 

[throughfaith]

John Gill had the following to say on this subject:

Death by sin; that is, death has entered into the world of men by sin, by the first sin of the first man; not only corporeal death, but a spiritual or moral one, man, in consequence of this, becoming "dead in sin", deprived of righteousness, and averse, and impotent to all that is good; and also an eternal death, to which he is liable; for "the wages of sin is death", Rom_6:23; even eternal death: all mankind are in a legal sense dead, the sentence of condemnation and death immediately passed on Adam as soon as he had sinned, and upon all his posterity;

All have sinned: all men were naturally and seminally in him; as he was the common parent of mankind, he had all human nature in him, and was also the covenant head, and representative of all his posterity; so that they were in him both naturally and federally, and so "sinned in him"; and fell with him by his first transgression into condemnation and death. The ancient Jews, and some of the modern ones, have said many things agreeably to the apostle's doctrine of original sin; they own the imputation of the guilt of Adam's sin to his posterity to condemnation and death;

John Gill ,the well known Calvinist said things from his calvinist theology . And your point is ?

 

[awelight]

John Gill ,the well known Calvinist said things from his calvinist theology . And your point is ?

Prove otherwise.

 

[awelight]

We are talking about the ' inheriting the GUILT of Adam doctrine here not the curse of the fall in which everything went ' pear shape with thorns on top . Let's not make doctrines from psalms . Yes we all sin and fall short of the Glory of God .

Was David inspired by the Spirit to write this or not. No Doctrine here, does it say what it says or not?

Ps 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies