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Burn1986

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Jesus said that we must “… become as a little child…”

This is probably the hardest thing for a person to do, especially a smart, intellectual, and well read person to do. This is the reason many “simple” people are Christians. In fact, many of us had a salvation experience and didn’t understand all that happened until later on.
 

ResidentAlien

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"For our boasting is this: the testimony of our conscience that we conducted ourselves in the world in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom but by the grace of God, and more abundantly toward you." 2 Corinthians 1:12
 

p_rehbein

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Jesus said that we must “… become as a little child…”

This is probably the hardest thing for a person to do, especially a smart, intellectual, and well read person to do. This is the reason many “simple” people are Christians. In fact, many of us had a salvation experience and didn’t understand all that happened until later on.
Yes, and No,

There may seem to be more "uneducated" believers, and possibly so. However, there are scores of well educated (book learning) peoples who are devout Christians.

The idea you put forth is pretty much the "talking points" of the far left liberal unbelievers. They always assert one has to be ignorant to believe in God, Jesus and the Bible.

The truth is, one has to have "far greater faith" to believe in their thoughts concerning Creation. Especially Darwin's Theory of Evolution of the Species.

Did you know Darwin had a Degree in Theology? Cambridge School of Theology. In his original publishing's, he included a statement that if his Theory was proved wrong, he was sorry for any harm he had done, Almost all Texts of his Theory have edited this statement out. No big surprise there, huh?
 

Shilohsfoal

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Mathew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes:)
 

Pilgrimshope

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Jesus said that we must “… become as a little child…”

This is probably the hardest thing for a person to do, especially a smart, intellectual, and well read person to do. This is the reason many “simple” people are Christians. In fact, many of us had a salvation experience and didn’t understand all that happened until later on.
“Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool,

that he may be wise.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those little ones flocking to Jesus were running to wisdom
 

Dino246

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With this topic , it’s worthwhile to distinguish between intelligence and wisdom. Many worldly people are intelligent, but few are wise except in a limited scope.
 
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Yes, and No,

There may seem to be more "uneducated" believers, and possibly so. However, there are scores of well educated (book learning) peoples who are devout Christians.

The idea you put forth is pretty much the "talking points" of the far left liberal unbelievers. They always assert one has to be ignorant to believe in God, Jesus and the Bible.

The truth is, one has to have "far greater faith" to believe in their thoughts concerning Creation. Especially Darwin's Theory of Evolution of the Species.

Did you know Darwin had a Degree in Theology? Cambridge School of Theology. In his original publishing's, he included a statement that if his Theory was proved wrong, he was sorry for any harm he had done, Almost all Texts of his Theory have edited this statement out. No big surprise there, huh?
Youre obviously proving my point for me. Not sure what Darwin’s experience was with the Holy Spirit, or his conversion experience in general.

1 Cor 2:4 says “And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

John 3:4, 10-11 says “Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
Nicodemus responded and said to Him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “You are the teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you people do not accept our testimony.

Nicodemus could not wrap his mind around spiritual things or experiences. Jesus was explaining experiences and what He knew, but Nicodemus just couldn’t grasp it, even though he was extremely well read and very intelligent.

How do you intellectually explain the experience of salvation and/ or the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues? How do you logically explain Lazarus being raised from the dead, or long fasts to seek God? Where does the intellect come in when praying for your child’s salvation, or a friend’s healing? It’s part of our human nature to fiercely explain how things happen. In fact our flesh (mind, will, emotions, intellect, reasoning) will war against spiritual experiences and faith. That is the battle we face daily.
 
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Jesus said that we must “… become as a little child…”

This is probably the hardest thing for a person to do, especially a smart, intellectual, and well read person to do. This is the reason many “simple” people are Christians. In fact, many of us had a salvation experience and didn’t understand all that happened until later on.
SPIRIT vs MIND - Misunderstanding "becoming like children"


1.) To "become like children" does NOT mean to turn off our mind & intellect to promote the spirit.

2.) In scripture, there is no war between the SPIRIT and the MIND.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
- We are not merely to love God with the heart and our soul... but also with the mind.

3.) The war we DO find is a war between the SPIRIT and our SIN NATURE.... the mind, the intellect, is supposed to serve God.
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

4.) The human mind & thought processes are corrupted by sin - but we also cannot function WITHOUT the mind and thought processes. So we are to USE THEM, but use them while BRINGING THEM UNDER SUBJECTION to Christ.
- Rom 8:6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
- Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind,
- 1Co 14:15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

- Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

5.) The enemy of God is NOT human intellect, it is human SIN... the intellect is just a tool at our disposal, given by God, which we can use for good or evil.


6.) CONCLUSION:
We are to USE the mind to serve God, so the phrase "become like children" cannot mean to turn off our minds.

So what does it mean?
It is RELATIONAL:

a.) To "become like children" does not refer to intellect, but to RELATIONSHIP... we are to have a relationship to God like little children.... while our MIND is that of an adult.
1Co 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

b.) In what ways would a CHILDLIKE RELATIONSHIP please God... what is Christ talking about?
- TRUST God, like a child trusts a parent.
- DEPEND upon God, like a child depends up on a parent.
- CLING to God, like a child clings to a parent.
- SUBMIT to God, like a child submits to a parent.
* It is about RELATIONSHIP... intellect is not part of it at all.




To "become like little children" isn't referring to the mind or intellect...
it is referring to relationship.



God Bless.

.
 
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SPIRIT vs MIND - Misunderstanding "becoming like children"


1.) To "become like children" does NOT mean to turn off our mind & intellect to promote the spirit.

2.) In scripture, there is no war between the SPIRIT and the MIND.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
- We are not merely to love God with the heart and our soul... but also with the mind.

3.) The war we DO find is a war between the SPIRIT and our SIN NATURE.... the mind, the intellect, is supposed to serve God.
Rom 7:25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

4.) The human mind & thought processes are corrupted by sin - but we also cannot function WITHOUT the mind and thought processes. So we are to USE THEM, but use them while BRINGING THEM UNDER SUBJECTION to Christ.
- Rom 8:6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace.
- Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind,
- 1Co 14:15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

- Isa 26:3 Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.

5.) The enemy of God is NOT human intellect, it is human SIN... the intellect is just a tool at our disposal, given by God, which we can use for good or evil.


6.) CONCLUSION:
We are to USE the mind to serve God, so the phrase "become like children" cannot mean to turn off our minds.

So what does it mean?
It is RELATIONAL:

a.) To "become like children" does not refer to intellect, but to RELATIONSHIP... we are to have a relationship to God like little children.... while our MIND is that of an adult.
1Co 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

b.) In what ways would a CHILDLIKE RELATIONSHIP please God... what is Christ talking about?
- TRUST God, like a child trusts a parent.
- DEPEND upon God, like a child depends up on a parent.
- CLING to God, like a child clings to a parent.
- SUBMIT to God, like a child submits to a parent.
* It is about RELATIONSHIP... intellect is not part of it at all.




To "become like little children" isn't referring to the mind or intellect...
it is referring to relationship.



God Bless.

.
Yeah, I mean, good points. Obviously we have to use our faculties, but not depend on our understanding before doing something we don’t want to do, but know we should do it, even when our mind argues against us. I’m sure the priest who stepped into the raging Jordan river used their mind to look into the river for the best place to step, all the while saying to themselves “Thus is utterly crazy.” Of course once they did the waters stopped, but it was a battle with their mind up until that point.