Total Depravity
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Because God does just love us all
1 John 2:1-4, 12 amazing grace gift, not of works of us at all. Of God for us all, at that cross of Son willingly done for new life in his risen Life to be given once for all, to those that choose to believe God
Hebrews 10:10
Amazing to me at least, I believe and see it contentedly now after a long walk off a short pier first, under Law to see the truth I need God to lead not me, "I" can't do it, God can and did it for us all to be new in risen Son, thank you, to rest Hebrews 4
1 John 2:1-4, 12 amazing grace gift, not of works of us at all. Of God for us all, at that cross of Son willingly done for new life in his risen Life to be given once for all, to those that choose to believe God
Hebrews 10:10
Amazing to me at least, I believe and see it contentedly now after a long walk off a short pier first, under Law to see the truth I need God to lead not me, "I" can't do it, God can and did it for us all to be new in risen Son, thank you, to rest Hebrews 4
In the garden man had a good heart and loved God. He was only given one command, -
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Adam had the ability to obey or not obey. He chose the later!
With this choice man lost the ability to please God in any way!
Fast forward to today!
When God draws us to Him (His elect), He does so by giving us a new heart. It is softened and once again has the ability to please God. Then when we hear and believe, we place our trust in the work that He has done for us.
Therefore, when we turn to God it is because we have received a new heart – not because we were forced. Without this circumcision of the heart that would not have been possible.
Now that is grace!
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
Adam had the ability to obey or not obey. He chose the later!
With this choice man lost the ability to please God in any way!
Fast forward to today!
When God draws us to Him (His elect), He does so by giving us a new heart. It is softened and once again has the ability to please God. Then when we hear and believe, we place our trust in the work that He has done for us.
Therefore, when we turn to God it is because we have received a new heart – not because we were forced. Without this circumcision of the heart that would not have been possible.
Now that is grace!
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To think of God as being this weak and stupid baffles me, I don't know why one would want a God like this. It's not at all what scripture tells us about Him, but besides that, why on earth would anyone want to have a God like this? It's such a disjointed, random, and pointless God. An "it is what it is" God. Ewww. Again not at all what scripture says He is.
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Mostly it seems that people have knee-jerk reactions to the word depravity without finding out
what is really meant by it. But also, quite a few are enamored with their idea that the natural man,
who is a slave to sin (taken captive to the devil's will) and hostile in his mind toward God, is free
in his will to choose to love and believe in God without God doing some work in us first. Some
go so far as to say that God not enabling everyone exactly the same makes God unjust and they
agree with those who say that God is a tyrant who kidnaps people against their will. I have
described what I believe is meant to be conveyed by total depravity here (<= link to post) .
Depravity vs. Grace
what is really meant by it. But also, quite a few are enamored with their idea that the natural man,
who is a slave to sin (taken captive to the devil's will) and hostile in his mind toward God, is free
in his will to choose to love and believe in God without God doing some work in us first. Some
go so far as to say that God not enabling everyone exactly the same makes God unjust and they
agree with those who say that God is a tyrant who kidnaps people against their will. I have
described what I believe is meant to be conveyed by total depravity here (<= link to post) .
Depravity vs. Grace
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What it means to those who preach total depravity is all that counts. and the Westminster Confession of Faith -- Reformed Theology -- says that it means that sinners are totally UNABLE to respond to the Gospel. Which is hogwash. So they created a whole new "gospel" where the so-called "elect" receive the Holy Spirit first, then believe, then they are saved. This is the REVERSE of what the Bible says.
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The Bible says that God made you alive in Christ while you were yet dead in your tresspasses and sins. Believers are not dead in their sins, so you have something confused... Also that Westminster confession of faith which you refer to an awful lot is not the only teacher of total depravity, and I think you should know that.