Total inability - original sin - inherited from adam

[Grace777x70]

Now would,be a good time to follow your own advice if this is truly what you believe. God is the ultimate judge but if you can't view someone as a brother or sister then more harm than good will continue by talking to them.

Amen..I am following my own advice and avoiding them....these types of people with behavior that attacks fellow believers continuously because they have a different opinion on a subject - I still view them as a brother or sister but I just don't "hang" with them ....it's not wise....

but I am still open to receive them back when the time comes...Paul tells us how to handle this situation after trying many times for a resolution..........so I pray for them and believe for the best to occur in the meantime...All is well...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

It is not a sin to be angry at someone if they have you a reason...ex. They raped,your,daughter.

However God still require you forgive them and let Him handle vengeance before the sun is allowed to set on your anger.

I think something is not quite right in this...
Anger in my heart at my brother is murder - whether he gave me a reason or not.
I have murdered, resented, wished him to pay for his sin.
I have murdered because my Lord says I have.
I can't change that now. My murder has happened.
And while we're on the subject, no matter how much I try to forgive him, I'm finding it impossible to do so. His sin against me and my daughter is so heinous and has hurt my family so grievously much that I would be nothing but a hypocrite to say I have forgiven him.
My only hope is to go to God, to confess and agree that I've murdered, and to ask Him to show me how to forgive.
It is not going to help me to insist that he gave me a good enough reason and so it isn't murder.
All I can do is look to Him and trust that He can take care of it. That He can somehow do what He has said He would and give me His own heart to forgive.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I think I did this this morning, But talking nicely, trying to have a normal conversation, Trying to understand where peter was coming from, and responding to his posts by just a different view, not an attack on his character.

By asking his forgiveness when he said I misunderstood him.

And I innocent? No. (I never claimed I was)

but I am not the one who started to judge again, and bear false witness again, and use these sins to slam and attack other people..

Well then, start all over again. Get a sheet of paper and start making hashmarks each time until you get to 70x7.
Put down your pride at having been slandered and love him.
Ignore the rude comments and focus on whatever is good and lovely in his post.
Before you get to 70x7 hashmarks, with prayer and reliance on God to help you overcome your unforgiveness, you will find that obeying has brought you great freedom.

 

[PeterJens]

I forgive my enemies for the sins they have done against me.
I ask you forgiveness for the sins I have commited against you.

I hold no ill will against anyone.
I love you all, from my heart and desire you might know the love Christ has for you, and the righteousness in which he can bring you.

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
Matt 5:3-10

Who wishes to destroy brothers and sisters and who wishes to encourage them to follow Jesus Christ?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

This is a bible discussion forum..

People should be free to come in and discuss the word, and if they see something they disagree with, should be free to discuss the word, and show another point of view.

I should not, nor should anyone else. be shunned from being able to share our views, or share to anyone we disagree wiht their opinion, and this is why, (stating our reasoning)

We should be able to do it without getting attacked, Hated on, Lied about, and falsely accused.

If people do not like this, and are offended from this, Then maybe they should not be here. (as I have told you, this is not something new, this has been going on for months now. It gets old) not just with peter. but another one of his friends..

If you think this is some new things which has just started happening, Think again.

if your not willing to DISCUSS the bible and different viewpoints,, Then you do not belong in a bible DISCUSSION forum, period.

That is my problem, and has been since the begining.

SHOULD you be able to do it without getting hated, lied about etc.?
Or rather should you EXPECT to be treated despitefully?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Amen..I am following my own advice and avoiding them....these types of people with behavior that attacks fellow believers continuously because they have a different opinion on a subject - I still view them as a brother or sister but I just don't "hang" with them ....it's not wise....

but I am still open to receive them back when the time comes...Paul tells us how to handle this situation after trying many times for a resolution..........so I pray for them and believe for the best to occur in the meantime...All is well...

You have become a dear brother to me. I always listen to what you say and I have learned a lot by the things our Lord has shown you that you have shared.
But I have to say I think you are wrong.
It is not avoiding them to come into a thread and post a picture and say the wolves have gathered once again.
If I have made you angry, I know you will forgive me.

 

[PeterJens]

Someone lead me to believe Christians dwell here, followers of Jesus, who believe they can walk in love, purity and righteousness?

Maybe I have come to the wrong place.

Now is the above a valid question? Is it fair to expect us to become people who can walk in love, purity and righteousness, not just imputed?

If people teach otherwise are they following the Lord or another faith?

If by even asking the question do you take this as an insult, being rude, offended?
Have I now commited blasphemy?

You may think these questions odd, but I have seen religious people get extremely angry daring to even ask them and then claim they are not religious at all. Funny how often those who say loudly what they are not is often what they actually are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Someone lead me to believe Christians dwell here, followers of Jesus, who believe they can walk in love, purity and righteousness?

There are, everyone here believes it.

Maybe I have come to the wrong place.

Now is the above a valid question? Is it fair to expect us to become people who can walk in love, purity and righteousness, not just imputed?

If you would open you eyes, and your heart, you would see we all believe this way.

If people teach otherwise are they following the Lord or another faith?

No one is teaching another Way peter. That is your view, not anyone elses.

thats what EVERYONE has been trying to tell you.

If by even asking the question do you take this as an insult, being rude, offended?
Have I now commited blasphemy?

Because person A says one thing

You say person A says another thing, which is nothing like what Person A said to begin with, then you get mad when someone tries to show you that problem.

You may think these questions odd, but I have seen religious people get extremely angry daring to even ask them and then claim they are not religious at all. Funny how often those who say loudly what they are not is often what they actually are.

hmm, Like you get mad when people try to show you?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Someone lead me to believe Christians dwell here, followers of Jesus, who believe they can walk in love, purity and righteousness?

Maybe I have come to the wrong place.

Now is the above a valid question? Is it fair to expect us to become people who can walk in love, purity and righteousness, not just imputed?

If people teach otherwise are they following the Lord or another faith?

If by even asking the question do you take this as an insult, being rude, offended?
Have I now commited blasphemy?

You may think these questions odd, but I have seen religious people get extremely angry daring to even ask them and then claim they are not religious at all. Funny how often those who say loudly what they are not is often what they actually are.

Who exactly is it, do you suppose, who will show that there are christians here?
You say, someone show me there are christians here.
How can any of us possibly show that?
Until we can learn to bear offenses as our Lord did, no one will see christians here.
That doesn't start with everyone else.
That starts with YOU.
It starts with ME.
It starts with EG.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

SHOULD you be able to do it without getting hated, lied about etc.?
Or rather should you EXPECT to be treated despitefully?

Everyone should expect it..

If a person is coming in continually bearing false witness of others. then something should be done about it, period..

as for your second question, I do not understand what your asking..

Do I expect everyone to agree with me? No,

Do I expect to agree with everyone? No

Should I be expected to do either? No.

Should I be expected to speak in truth and integrity (base my arguments based on what someone else actually believes, not what I THINK they believe) , Yes..

if not, I need to find some place else.. because I am trying to cause division, and not speak with a sincere and truthful heart. But just trying to shove my believe down everyone throat.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well then, start all over again. Get a sheet of paper and start making hashmarks each time until you get to 70x7.
Put down your pride at having been slandered and love him.
Ignore the rude comments and focus on whatever is good and lovely in his post.
Before you get to 70x7 hashmarks, with prayer and reliance on God to help you overcome your unforgiveness, you will find that obeying has brought you great freedom.

sis, I love ya,

But offering forgiveness is not allowing someone to continue in sin. That's like saying i should allow my son to keep sticking his hand on the stove, and if I do not do so, I have not forgiven him.

Lets put forgiveness in perspective, I never stop forgiving Peter, and I never will, Because God has forgive me much worse sins that Peter is doing even here..

that does not mean I allow him to keep hurting himself and others by continuing to sin and slander others..

 

[Grace777x70]

You have become a dear brother to me. I always listen to what you say and I have learned a lot by the things our Lord has shown you that you have shared.
But I have to say I think you are wrong.
It is not avoiding them to come into a thread and post a picture and say the wolves have gathered once again.
If I have made you angry, I know you will forgive me.

That was for Ariel...she was attacked because she had an opinion that was different from someone else....I'll wait for people to have 7 months of this to see how willing they will be to have this done to others repeatedly and think it's ok behavior...but I could be wrong on that too...I am not angry in the least....just protective of people getting attacked...but I totally understand your sentiment too...It's all good...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I forgive my enemies for the sins they have done against me.
I ask you forgiveness for the sins I have commited against you.

I hold no ill will against anyone.
I love you all, from my heart and desire you might know the love Christ has for you, and the righteousness in which he can bring you.

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
Matt 5:3-10

Who wishes to destroy brothers and sisters and who wishes to encourage them to follow Jesus Christ?

No one wants to destroy brothers and sisters here.
You seem to want to demand a perfection of thoughts about God from everyone peter. And perfection is defined as: the same level of knowledge of God that I personally have attained to. The same level of lack of leaven that I, personally, have attained to.

If someone is in some error, and they are not yet ready to bear something that you have attained to, it does not mean they are seeking to destroy brothers and sisters. You "liked" what I had to say about the wolf picture and then you have done the same thing here with this comment but just without the picture.

No one is trying to destroy anyone here.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I forgive my enemies for the sins they have done against me.
I ask you forgiveness for the sins I have commited against you.

but you will not ask for forgiveness for sins you have committed against others.. That says alot.

I hold no ill will against anyone.
I love you all, from my heart and desire you might know the love Christ has for you, and the righteousness in which he can bring you.

Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
Matt 5:3-10

Who wishes to destroy brothers and sisters and who wishes to encourage them to follow Jesus Christ?

No one is trying to destroy anyone, we are just trying to hold brothers and sisters accountable.

If you would stop trying to "defend" yourself at all cost, and thinking everyone is out to get you, You may see this..

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I'm taking a break, guys.
Please go easy on peter, EG. Haven't we seen our Lord soften his heart towards us some since a few months ago?
And peter, please try to remember that one can be in some error and it doesn't mean they are satan.

Instead of striving for perfection of doctrine, let's try to learn perfection in love toward each other, because perfect doctrine does not cover a multitude of sins. LOVE covers a multitude of sins.

I am very happy that God has given all of you to me!

 

[Ariel82]

I expect to beaten and lies about because Jesus is so much holier than me and he was abused because folks listened to the lies demons told them about Him.

Do you listen and repeat demonic lies?
Or do you listen to what God says about other people?

Do you see Christ's righteousness imputed upon them?

Or do you still look at their sins and faults?

 

[PeterJens]

Someone lead me to believe Christians dwell here, followers of Jesus, who believe they can walk in love, purity and righteousness?

This is a very open question. If you ask righteousness as Jesus walked, that might be clearer, or examples listed in the sermon on the mount.

If I said we can be holy, without sin, washed clean, for a day, a week, a year, is that a problem?

There have been forums and one contributor said yesterday this was impossible, and only the deluded would believe it possible. I find it odd then being told by a contributor everyone believes this. This is clearly not true.

I can say I now believe it to be possible, but I now think everyone needs time in their lives to work things through.

Forgiveness is hard, very hard. Not because it cannot be done, but because to understand it we need to grow.

I am not sure I fully understand righteousness in Gods terms, but I think as a fellowship through study we could gain a better understanding. It is Gods heart that we should walk like this, and many have said they aspire to it. So that is possibly the next subject, How do we walk righteously, in love and purity.

 

[Ariel82]

If the two of you knew the great blessing you would receive for being the first one to bend in humility to your brother and say, I am sorry. I will try to be more gentle with my words, and I am sorry I have hurt your feelings, you would both be trying to outrun the other to be first. Put your feelings and desires last and put your brother first. It doesn't even matter if he is wrong. Wash his feet. YOU bless HIM. YOU forgive HIM.

Amen!!!!!!!!

 

[Ariel82]

Did you read the post that I directed you to? What's the issue? Can you not see that someone very recently admitted to the belief in the impossibility of doing GOD's will?

Nope just scanning this thread. You should talk to that person and see if that's what they mean....OR if they add..no one can do God's will WITHOUT the Holy,Spirit

 

[PeterJens]

I expect to beaten and lies about because Jesus is so much holier than me and he was abused because folks listened to the lies demons told them about Him.

Do you listen and repeat demonic lies?
Or do you listen to what God says about other people?

Do you see Christ's righteousness imputed upon them?

Or do you still look at their sins and faults?

I agree with your sentiment. It is important to recognise the work Christ has done in another and ignore the frailty and weakness. We all have these faults and problems, it is through Christ we overcome them.

I remember realising if I thought my church were too hard on me and not understanding what I was sharing I was failing at point 1, I was not forgiving peoples weakness and seeing the treasure within, I was just judging them because I cared so much about what I shared. It equally applies here. I know you will miss-understand me and my intentions. If you knew me, my character, what is me and what is the Lords work, it would often go much better.

This is why the internet is not the optimum medium.

It is also why I wondered why people who encouraged others to walk in love, truth and integrity got a hard time, or someone trying to help the demon possessed or mentally ill. Sometimes they were a bit crazy, sometimes a bit extreme, but all had good hearts and intended to encourage and uplift people. That is why I found them a blessing and wanted to know them better.

But maybe that is just me. I do not think satan has as much authority and influence as many superstitous people believe and they give too little faith to the power of the Holy Spirit to use everything, even me. Now I know how frail and stupid I can be, but in love, the Lord has taught me to bundle, or to those who do not know, throw yourself into the mix and trust Him.